Depression (Clinical)

[DFINITLYDISTRUBD]

Have they tried you on Lithium?

Have you a counsellor and/or psychiatrist?

 

Yeah...it reallllllly sucked....just about the worst crap you can take!

Not for 14 years now....complete waste of time....I tried several over the years...same ol crap. The worst of them are the ones that just sit there and stare at you till you talk...GOD they SUCK!!!! especially at $100 a session!!!!! Just as bad the "and how does that make you feel" bassholes and "the try this pill with your other meds for a few weeks if it doesn't help we'll try something else" AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHG!!!!!!

 

I would like to try hypnotherapy....yeah...that's it... a little reprograming might help!

Half of what's got me screwed up in the first place (at the very least) is in the programing!

From birth practilally I was programmed to believe that I was retarded, worthless, not as good as other kids, and it didnt stop after the state disolved my birth family. My training continued through years in foster care. Then between my addopted father and the schools it was further reinforced. I wasn't allowed to go to friend's houses because as my father put it: I wasn't right in the head and he proved quite adept at scaring them off when they came to visit me. In school I was punished for getting beat up and harrassed. Needless to say that I never reported my problems there to those in authority

thus only getting in trouble when a teacher saw me getting beat.

 

Depression is programed I'm sure of it.

Just look at the symtoms. Then look at what years of abuse tends to do to people.

Then look at the number of those with the symtoms and what kind of life they've had...I'll bet you'll see the connection as I have through the many people I've encountered in my life. I'm possitive that if I/they could free myself/themselves from the torment of my/thier past, the hopelessness of the present, and undo the resultant programing from years of being told that I'm/they're worthless, that stupid, f#(%ed in the head and so on and so forth

a "normal life" would be our reward.

[DFINITLYDISTRUBD]

In response to post #202.

 

Wow! How did I miss that one!?!

 

Treatment for major depression should include 200 to 300 mg of magnesium (preferably as magnesium taurinate) four times per day and restriction of dietary calcium, glutamate and asparate. Nutritionists may be able to treat patients with major depression more effectively than physiatrists and physiologists considering the role of magnesium in the brain.

I'm going to have to loiok further into this!!!!!! Maybe I've been lining the wrong pockets in my quest for sanity!!!!

 

Odd I recall being on a very restricted diet from ages 6-13 while in foster care. My dad wasn't too keen on cooking seperate meals and I haven't gone back on it. I like all of the things I'm not supposed to have too much. (chocolates ,burgers ,coffee, icecream, etc.) It did help me maintain a degree of self control though. Vs the traditional american chow I consumed prior to the diet.

 

THE DIET-

THE NO LIST-No processed sugars, no beef, no pork, no artificial preaservatives or colors, no caffine

THE OK LIST (occasionaly small quantities) -chicken, eggs, cheese, cows milk and milk products, fried goodies (french fries etc.)

THE EAT OFTEN LIST-

Fish, turkey, venison, leafy greens, roots and tubers, the usual ast. of veggies

and organ meats (liver, heart etc.)

 

And Yes walking and meditation are very helpful for relieving stress and maintaining a degree of calm, stability, and sanity.

If you don't believe Find a place which is not going to inflict even more stress and go for it.

[DFINITLYDISTRUBD]

Depression is programed I'm sure of it.

 

Treatment for major depression should include 200 to 300 mg of magnesium (preferably as magnesium taurinate) four times per day and restriction of dietary calcium, glutamate and asparate. Nutritionists may be able to treat patients with major depression more effectively than physiatrists and physiologists considering the role of magnesium in the brain

.

 

 

With further regard to this- persons suffering from depression tend to neglect their health possibly leading to chemical imbalances.

[Michaelangelica]

In response to post #202.

 

Wow! How did I miss that one!?!

 

 

I'm going to have to loiok further into this!!!!!! Maybe I've been lining the wrong pockets in my quest for sanity!!!!

You might try also talking to an orthomolecular specialist, if you are interested in the use of vitamins an minerals, and diets to treat mental disorders.

Also read though this thread there are al ot of physical things (testosterone imbalances etc., that cause depression)

Get you self checked out physically by a specialistGP

 

Winging about you lot ,and your childhood, is not helpful

Probably half the population has had crap childhoods or abusive stupid or ignorant parents

Blaming them won't help YOU

 

I agree with you about psychiatrists most are 'drop-kicks' getting their money under false pretences. The only thing they can do is legally supply drugs-a great 'gravy train'. However there are a few good ones out there.

You might find talking to a Clinical psycologist more helpful. These are more highly trained than Psychiatrists (except not in medicine & most can't prescribe drugs). Again look for one you can relate to.

Join a health insurance fund!

 

 

THE OK LIST (occasionaly small quantities) -chicken, eggs, cheese, cows milk and milk products, fried goodies (french fries etc.)

see the post back up afew. that person said calcium made him depressed.

THE EAT OFTEN LIST-

Fish, turkey, venison, leafy greens, roots and tubers, the usual ast. of veggies

and organ meats (liver, heart etc.)

I am sure we would all be a lot healthier if we were vegetarians. But some people even have problems with these Solonacae family (tomatoes potatoes etc.,) and gluten & wheat are often problems.

If you have Irish ancestory watch the wheat or get a genetic gluten test.

And Yes walking and meditation are very helpful for relieving stress and maintaining a degree of calm, stability, and sanity.

If you don't believe Find a place which is not going to inflict even more stress and go for it.

Yes and Yoga, watching funny films, and making time to have some fun.

Live long and prosper

Look after YOU. You are the only one the planet has.

[Michaelangelica]

Some resouces from agood Oz web page

Depression - Health & Wellbeing

hot links to all these on the page. They may work here too?

 

* Black Dog Institute

An educational, research and clinical centre for mood disorders, especially depression and bipolar disorder.

* BeyondBlue

Australia's national depression initiative, with information and further resources.

* BluePages

Comprehensive source of information on depression developed by the Australian National University's Centre for Mental Health Research and the CSIRO.

* depressionNet

Comprehensive information and support site, with personal stories, and contacts for support in Australian states and territories

* Mental Health First Aid

Information, tips and course information for mental health first aid – operated through the ORYGEN research centre at the University of Melbourne.

* Mood Gym

Free online cognitive behaviour therapy program

* Reachout

A service to help young people get through tough times. The depression page includes fact sheets on a range of mental issues, including supporting someone who is depressed.

* YBlue

Mental health information for youth from Beyondblue

* SANE Australia

A consumer organisation for Australians with mental illness.

 

There is no such thing as false hope.

There is either hope or no-hope.

-MA 1980

[[/center]/SIZE][/b]

 

PS

Position Statement: Multiple Chemical Sensitivity

Psychological proponents have also purported that co-occurring depression and/or anxiety in a portion of subjects causes MCS.50-51

50. Bornschein S, Förstl H, Zilker T. Idiopathic environmental intolerances (formerly multiple chemical sensitivity) psychiatric perspectives. J Intern Med. 2001 Oct;250(4):309-21

 

51. Das-Munshi J, Rubin GJ, Wessely S. Multiple chemical sensitivities: review. Curr Opin Otolaryngol Head Neck Surg. 2007 Aug;15(4):274-80.

 

Petrochemicals and organic solvents are known etiologic mechanisms with an organic basis that induce depression, anxiety, panic attacks, and other apparent mental disorders via known organic etiologic mechanisms; but these manifestations resolve when incitants are removed, thus distinguishing them from true psychiatric illnesses.69-71

This is amazing!

Maternal depression has been significantly associated with air freshener use in the home136

136.Farrow A, Taylor H, Northstone K, Golding J. Symptoms of mothers and infants related to total volatile organic compounds in household products. Arch Environ Health. 2003 Oct;58(10):633-41.

Multiple Chemical Sensitivity Position Statement

[palmtreepathos]

Have we covered "learned helplessness"? And the "games people play"? A lot of subterfuge is going on in the world and in some of our lives more specifically. People need scapegoats, and some who can't succeed make their kids seem worthless so they can feel superior and some parents manufacture superkids to validate their existance. ......

 

I know some have truly nurturing families out there and for them maybe nutritional deficiencies was the rug ripped out from under you, or maybe the neighborhood church system showed you the seedy side of the clergy and your parents(loyal churchy folks) just knew it couldn't happen like that.....

 

The matrix of sound health and thinking is beyond the child but as an adult sometimes we "get it" and get better

[Michaelangelica]

Have we covered "learned helplessness"? And the "games people play"? A lot of subterfuge is going on in the world and in some of our lives more specifically. People need scapegoats, and some who can't succeed make their kids seem worthless so they can feel superior and some parents manufacture superkids to validate their existance. ......

 

I know some have truly nurturing families out there and for them maybe nutritional deficiencies was the rug ripped out from under you, or maybe the neighborhood church system showed you the seedy side of the clergy and your parents(loyal churchy folks) just knew it couldn't happen like that.....

 

The matrix of sound health and thinking is beyond the child but as an adult sometimes we "get it" and get better

 

I agree, sometimes however you need help to move on. Some people can survive an abusive childhood for years then one day something happens and for no reason they are right back there being 10 again, being abused.

 

Read books by the psychiatrist R.D. Laing (Lang?)

or

I'm OK Your OK by Dorothy Jongwood (Sp?)or any other book on Transactional Analaysis

[palmtreepathos]

sometimes however you need help to move on

So true, sometimes it takes the village, even if it is us sickies supporting each other and pointing the flashlight at good info!(thx Michael!) The ability(and freedom) to see clearly, to admit to self and then honestly converse on the truth of your life's experience with kindred souls is invaluable as those who are part of the problem may never acknowledge it due to their own agenda/fear/blindness.

Also to get a objective "world view" is essential and I especially credit studying the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses as a touchstone of mental health and an anchor of hope in the stormy times we are going through, but that is another thread :P

[Michaelangelica]

Seeing clearly is hard if not impossible when you are depressed

 

Have a look at this

To diagnose Coeliac disease they had to do an operation (A stomach biopsy)

Now however you can have a genetic test

Especially, but not only, If you are of Irish or Jewish ancestory and have a lot of vague 'sick' symptoms; get this one crossed off your list.

I wonder if we haven't mucked about with the genetic structure of wheat too much?

Anyone know anything about wheat genetics?

Stomach Pain in a Slice of Bread: Gluten Is a Quiet Culprit

AlterNet: Health and Wellness: Stomach Pain in a Slice of Bread: Gluten Is a Quiet Culprit

It also can be a tricky diagnosis, since symptoms vary, and some people don't have any. Among the most common, according to the Celiac Disease Foundation, are a distended stomach, cramps, excessive gas, bloating, chronic diarrhea, constipation, anemia, fatty stools, and weight loss. Celiacs can also be depressed, irritable, lacking in energy, infertile, have dental enamel defects, and develop osteoporosis, joint pain, ulcers, or a blistering, itchy skin rash called dermatitis herpetiformis.

 

. . .

"For a disease that affects one out of 133 people in this country, that's latent in many people, you'd think our federal government would be pouring money into this," Switkes said. "But, it's not."

[Michaelangelica]

cruely ironic given bi polar people are unwell half their life?

DRUG COMMONLY USED TO TREAT

BI-POLAR DISORDER DRAMATICALLY

INCREASES LIFESPAN IN NEMATODE WORMS

 

 

Nematode worms treated with lithium show a 46 percent increase in lifespan, raising the tantalizing question of whether humans taking the mood affecting drug are also taking an anti-aging medication. Results of the Buck Institute study, led by faculty member Gordon J. Lithgow, PhD, are currently published online in the Journal of Biological Chemistry.

Buck Institute - Lithium, Lifepsan in Nematodes

[Michaelangelica]

Work and depression

 

Listen Now - 27102007 |Download Audio - 27102007

 

High psychological demands are experienced in all areas of work. This causes stress and anxiety. Rates of anxiety and depression are increasing in the western world.

 

Although genes have been isolated associated with depression, genes alone don't determine whether someone develops a particular problem. They work together with the environment.

 

Show Transcript

Science Show - 27October2007 - Work and depression

Robyn Williams:The bad news this week is that students at school and university are working under so much stress that they're succumbing to both anxiety and depression.

. . .

Richie Poulton: The paper we've got coming out shows that there is a certain type of work stress related to high psychological demands (that is enormous time pressure, heavy workload and so forth) that can predict who becomes depressed in otherwise healthy people, people who have never had depression or anxiety in their life.

[Lorin_Leslie]

dude, who cares how they're different.

they're still not fun.

 

i have clinical depression, "depression",

bipolar and basically every other mental

disease/ disability you can think of.

and im just fine.

[Mike C]

Angelica

 

My Brand of Socialism would eliminate almost all the 'depressions', wheter 'economic' or health wise.

 

Since MBoS would gaurantee economic security for all citizens, that would take care of the economic depressions.

 

The 'health' care depressions would be mostly eliminated by opening the US healthcare system to all qualified alternative practicioners, since they cure their patients rather than just treat the symptoms as our current approved healthcare system works using only drugs or other painful procedures like operations.

 

God's medicines (natural substances) like vitamins, minerals and etc are superior to the drugs that our US healthcare system uses.

 

So, here again, there would be a great reduction of the sufferering that these patients endure.

 

The Naturopathic doctors cure most of the terminal rejects that the drug doctors have failed to do.

 

Mike C

[Michaelangelica]

Angelica

My Brand of Socialism would eliminate almost all the 'depressions', wheter 'economic' or health wise.

Such optimism. I presume you are young.

Americans would see Australia a a socialist country. I wouldn't; It is all a matter of degree. We take better care of our poor in health, education and welfare, but there is still along way to go and we do not have your economic resources.

Since MBoS would gaurantee economic security for all citizens, that would take care of the economic depressions.

Good idea. But what do you do about Bush (& his ilk) who feels making rich people richer will help the poor?

 

The 'health' care depressions would be mostly eliminated by opening the US healthcare system to all qualified alternative practicioners,

Yes there is a lot to be said for alternative measures.

St. John's Wort, Lemon Balm, Heartsease for depression along with many alternative physical and mental remedies.

But I don't think it is all black and white.

There is an alternative doctors group here who have been pointing out to the government for some time that they save the government's money

One in five visits to a GP here is for an Adverse Drug Reaction.

 

Unfortunately with power and prestige you also get to be in charge of the Spin (or lies) and doctors opinions are held in very high regard by average people. Whatever the doc. says must be right

 

 

God's medicines (natural substances) like vitamins, minerals and etc are superior to the drugs that our US healthcare system uses.

I have a lot of sympathy for this point of view (see threads on Violets and posts on herbs). Unfortunately at the moment, it is only the rich who can afford natropathic, & orthomolecular medicines and consultations.

The way many natural therapists use vitamins is more akin to a drug than a naturally occuring vitamin in food,.

 

 

The Naturopathic doctors cure most of the terminal rejects that the drug doctors have failed to do.

 

I think there are wins on both sides and fault on both sides.

It would be great if we could take the best from both.

[Mike C]

Such optimism. I presume you are young.

Americans would see Australia a a socialist country. I wouldn't; It is all a matter of degree. We take better care of our poor in health, education and welfare, but there is still along way to go and we do not have your economic resources.

 

I am approaching 90 within the next 2 months. I enjoy this good health because I do not eat any animal products.

 

Good idea. But what do you do about Bush (& his ilk) who feels making rich people richer will help the poor?

 

This is an example of republicans accepting corporate corruption. Our Constitution has been reduced to nothing but 'window dressing'.

 

Yes there is a lot to be said for alternative measures.

St. John's Wort, Lemon Balm, Heartsease for depression along with many alternative physical and mental remedies.

But I don't think it is all black and white.

There is an alternative doctors group here who have been pointing out to the government for some time that they save the government's money

One in five visits to a GP here is for an Adverse Drug Reaction.

 

That is true that the Naturopathic Physicians (NP) involvement in the government supported healthcare industry would drastically reduce the costs of healthcare. That does not happen here in the US. That is why our healthcare costs here are so high.

The ND's would eliminate 50% of the unneded operations and reduce drugs to a minimal use by replacement with the much cheaper vitamins, minerals and othe natural substances.

 

Unfortunately with power and prestige you also get to be in charge of the Spin (or lies) and doctors opinions are held in very high regard by average people. Whatever the doc. says must be right

 

True.

 

I have a lot of sympathy for this point of view (see threads on Violets and posts on herbs). Unfortunately at the moment, it is only the rich who can afford natropathic, & orthomolecular medicines and consultations.

The way many natural therapists use vitamins is more akin to a drug than a naturally occuring vitamin in food,.

 

Yes. Since in our country, one has to pay for this alternative treatment, they are still much cheaper than the drug/surgery method but unfortunately, the poor have to go to the doctors that their insurance companies cover.

 

I think there are wins on both sides and fault on both sides.

It would be great if we could take the best from both.

 

Well, i reject the approved drug/surgery method by avoiding it as much as I can, thank God.

I do not need or use any drugs.

 

Mike C

[Michaelangelica]

Antidepressants, Exercise, Age, Even Food Intake, Affect Generation Of New Brain Cells

 

ScienceDaily (Nov. 9, 2007) — Recent research shows that the production of new brain cells may be crucial for antidepressants to be effective and that the medication's effectiveness is strongly influenced by age. What's more, meal frequency, type of food, and physical exercise affect the brain's ability to manufacture these new cells.

Antidepressants, Exercise, Age, Even Food Intake, Affect Generation Of New Brain Cells

[Mike C]

Antidepressants, Exercise, Age, Even Food Intake, Affect Generation Of New Brain Cells

 

There are some nutrients that can do that. One, in particular is 'phosphatidylserine. There are others.

 

Mike C