Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

[Moontanman]

The Economical Foundation, is still strong (I am not running for anything), employment high, interest rates low, most major industry showing profit, purchasing power and incomes high. Despite all thats gone on in the past eight years, including commodity/fuel prices, 20 million 'so called' illegals, two wars, and a host of natural 'so called' disasters and an AGING POPULATION.

 

Bush wanted those illegals, he wanted to give them amnesty, if there is a problem with illegals it's the conservative who are at the root of it and their desire for slave labor. Think of how much better off we might have been if not for all these disasters courtesy of the Bush administration!

 

 

Why not get on Google Corporation's case, they have the THE highest income when per employee is considered, while Halliburton has struggled for years as a labor based corporation. Get your priorities in order...

 

I have no problem with any corporation making money with good products and services and reasonably well paid employees. Haliburton is milking the war for profits while over charging for everything they do and stealing every thing they can.

 

 

Global warming??? Thought we were in Global Cooling again, or are you just concerned with air quality or something. Government mandates are not going to cure anything and the people can't afford what has been suggested.

 

Just because you refuse to see reality doesn't mean the real world isn't out there dude.

 

Cheat and start a war??? Please not again, I didn't promote those 19 idiots flying our plains into buildings or the idea the West is a degenerate society, needing to be wiped out.

 

Iraq didn't have anything to do with it either.....

 

In my little town, they are begging for help. If you can breath, walk and see and under 100yo, you can work here and I think many places. Honor and respect from what world leaders. Seems like they find us often enough when help is needed or their people have when applying of entrance, still only accept one in ten of those applicants. Save a country or equalize the people?

No matter what he or any one thinks they can do, will make urban living like living in the country.

 

Your little town is the exception, my town has plenty of jobs, lots of construction and a high demand for skilled jobs that are mostly taken by illegals for less than half what the local American workers were once getting. It's disturbing to go into these huge housing construction tracts and see English as a foreign language. Even the supervisors have to speak Latin American. These are not jobs no one else will do, these are jobs being taken away from American workers plan and simple. I like living in the country, the country is a nice place, why do you knock it?

 

Yes, a few percentage points today, a few more tomorrow, add in States, County and City/Town Taxes (to cover mandates) and we will challenge Cuba for the purest Socialistic Country. BUT, that was not my point; Obama and his followers (guess your one) are falsely telling ALL the people, taxes will not go up, that we need to go back to Clinton's rates and that only rich folks will get hurt. How many lies can you accept and not be concerned with just how another Liberal Administration could affect this country. After all Obama is said to have the highest Liberal Rating of them all, or is it just behind Biden?

 

I guess I am just more willing to go with lies that cost money rather than lies that cost lives.....

[coldcreation]

The following is from an email:

 

Think you know who this man is?

This possible President of the United States !! Read Below and

ask yourselves' date=' is this REALLY someone we can see as the

President of our great nation?

 

Below are a few lines from Obama's books; In his words!

 

>From [b']Dreams of My Father[/b]: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'!

 

 

From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'

 

 

From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'

 

 

From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'

 

 

From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'

 

 

And FINALLY the Most Damming one of ALL of them!!!

 

>From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'

 

 

* If you have never forwarded an e-mail, now is the time to Do so!!!! We CANNOT have someone with this type of mentality running our GREAT nation!

 

EDIT: There are no page numbers, unfortunately. That would have made it easier to very the words and investigate their context.

[REASON]

The following is from an email:

 

EDIT: There are no page numbers, unfortunately. That would have made it easier to very the words and investigate their context.

 

Yes, what is the context of these so called damning quotes?

 

This is called "SPIN." It is an attempt to paint an overall picture of someone's character without considering the context of their alleged quotes.

 

It is an attempt to appeal to one's fears and sense of shame.

 

We should be more wary of those who knowingly attempt to manipulate our perceptions than those who would openly reveal their own flaws.

[pgrmdave]

Silly stuff that distracts from anything that might really matter.

 

Below are a few lines from Obama's books; In his words!

 

>From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'!

 

Really? You really want to judge a person by what they did at 12?!?! This is just plain silly - I'm sure that we have better things to do in our lives than try to find out what Obama and McCain did as children. "McCain once kicked his mother in public and said he hated her! He was 3 years old at the time, but still, do we want that kind of a man as our president?"

 

 

From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'

 

I'm sure that many people found solace in stupid things when they were young. That doesn't mean that people won't change and grow, and learn from what they used to be.

 

 

From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'

 

I don't know the context of this at all, so there aren't many conclusions I can draw from it.

 

 

From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'

 

I don't know the exact context of this, but it appears not to be talking about what he thought, but rather a condemnation of a certain way of thinking - a very divisive way of thinking at that. What's wrong with talking about what he saw in the black community?

 

 

From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'

 

God forbid we have someone like Martin Luther King Jr., or Nelson Mandela in office. We wouldn't want someone who was, you know, intelligent.

 

 

And FINALLY the Most Damming one of ALL of them!!!

>From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'

 

It sounds to me like he's talking about the Muslims in this country, and the potential for overt racism/bigotry against them (i.e. the FBI deciding to use race and religion as a factor in determining whether or not to investigate someone). In that context, this quote is rather admirable.

[jackson33]

Under normal circumstances, everything that makes a person reputable or not, can be traced to actual events that can be verified, attested to by people or in some manner dissected to the satisfaction of a majority, whether acceptable or not. There is just to many items in Obama's past that don't add up. Yes what a 35-40 year old writes of what things meant to him/her when he/she was 10-12-14 is VERY IMPORTANT. Its that persons explanation to what he/she currently believes or how they got to today.

 

IMO; It's these ambiguities, added to the talk, walk and actions of the known record that should have never got Mr. Obama to this point in the first place and the worry that the American People could possibly elect this person.

 

What would scare me the most, if I thought he could be elected (I don't), is the current movement to somehow bring race into the equation, that the American People would be responsible (when he does lose) because the man is NOT WHITE is going to cause more problems for him and the two party system, I embrace. If the polls indicate anything, its that the White's are not bigots, are open minded and that if anything the Blacks are. 95% of any demographic that would vote for any one person, to me shows bigotry over any other that is said to be about 50-50. This then tells me, we are being told to vote for Mr. Obama, to prevent the inevitable rebellion of those 95% that are being told in advance the only possible reason for a loss.

 

For the record, I was one thinking Ms. Rice, would have made a fine VP pick, even before McCain became the nominee. I feel she represents many of the same qualities, I thought Ms. Clinton did (who thought would be the nominee) and/or the current Ms. Palin represents. A grass route American, coming from nothing onto the National scene. I don't see or feel this from Obama...or would I have if his name was Smith, a white guy, and fifth generation from Omaha...

[pgrmdave]

If the polls indicate anything, its that the White's are not bigots, are open minded and that if anything the Blacks are. 95% of any demographic that would vote for any one person, to me shows bigotry over any other that is said to be about 50-50. This then tells me, we are being told to vote for Mr. Obama, to prevent the inevitable rebellion of those 95% that are being told in advance the only possible reason for a loss.

 

To be fair, 95% of blacks voting for the democrat is not unexpected. 88% of blacks reported voting for Kerry who was, as I recall, not black. I do agree, however, that the vast majority of Americans do not care much about race.

 

(http://www.gallup.com/poll/107110/Obamas-Support-Similar-Kerrys-2004.aspx)

 

For the record, I was one thinking Ms. Rice, would have made a fine VP pick, even before McCain became the nominee.

That would have been great! I'm not a huge fan of her policies (though I don't know how many are hers and how many are simply the administrations) but she's intelligent, experienced, well-spoken, and diplomatic. Palin, on the other hand, is not experienced, not well versed in national or international policy, and has lied a number of times (how many times do we need to hear that she 'stopped the bridge to nowhere'?).

[REASON]

What would scare me the most, if I thought he could be elected (I don't), is the current movement to somehow bring race into the equation, that the American People would be responsible (when he does lose) because the man is NOT WHITE is going to cause more problems for him and the two party system, I embrace.

 

For the record, Barack Obama is just as much white as he is black.

 

Looks can be deceiving. :)

 

 

And would you care to elaborate on why you think he can't be elected? He appears to have a very good chance from what I can tell.

 

I think the fears you express surrounding an Obama presidency are unfounded and overly dramatic.

[jackson33]

To be fair, 95% of blacks voting for the democrat is not unexpected. 88% of blacks reported voting for Kerry who was, as I recall, not black. I do agree, however, that the vast majority of Americans do not care much about race.

 

That would have been great! I'm not a huge fan of her policies (though I don't know how many are hers and how many are simply the administrations) but she's intelligent, experienced, well-spoken, and diplomatic. Palin, on the other hand, is not experienced, not well versed in national or international policy, and has lied a number of times (how many times do we need to hear that she 'stopped the bridge to nowhere'?).

 

Yes, in recent years Blacks have voted 83-88% Democratic. I could make a case in local elections, they tend to vote Black/White, regardless of of the candidates character...Detroit/DC come to mind. This year if the Latino vote is anywhere near 50-50, it will surprise me and if there is any real bigotry left in the general population, it will show up. My point however was the set up for a loss and the preconceived reason. If Obama loses, it won't be for any electorate bigotry, the fact he is the nominee already proved that, but that his policy is simply to far left.

 

Palin has resembled Obama's entrance into National Politics, with about the same response. "The bridge" is a line, a political statement as is "this is not a Democrat America..., and so long as either gets a response they will continue to use. NO ONE I KNOW OF, as said was other than a diversified America.

 

Hope I can bring back up in a few weeks;

 

My predictions...McCain/Palin 280-303 EV, and a plus 2-5 million popular vote.

If in deed 5M, both Congressional Chambers will remain Dem., but Republican will gain 1-2 Senators and up to 5 House Seats.

 

Two main things I am currently watching; Texas and California, Demographically equal in many ways (business/electorate) and currently heavily leaning opposite directions. If California starts to moving toward McCain, think it will end up +2 to 4 (only) for Obama and Texas +20 for McCain, the Latino vote will be the deciding factor, not White anything.

 

By the way "my friends" is kind of getting on my nerves, but my vote is not based on words...

[jackson33]

For the record, Barack Obama is just as much white as he is black.

 

Looks can be deceiving. :)

 

And would you care to elaborate on why you think he can't be elected? He appears to have a very good chance from what I can tell.

 

I think the fears you express surrounding an Obama presidency are unfounded and overly dramatic.

 

In short REASON, I won't vote for Obama, because he is an empty suit, has no idea what the History of this country is and should being a Harvard Law School Graduate in CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, where HISTORY IS A MUST. He has a pool of associates (not Wright or any of them) his friends and associates, even fellow democrats to draw his advisor's from and this should scare the heck out of the most liberal of liberals and has dissed his party's loyalist in more than one way. I don't think he has any idea how to run a household, much less a business, legal practice, the corner store, much less the United States. If he had been running his Campaign, as said, he would have received probably zero delegates and has one of the best strategist and strategist only in David Axlerod. Axlerod and media, took a story "funny name, broken home, dad from Africa and by the way black" as far as they could. Think this covers why I don't think he will win, as well. Oh yes, historically after any 8 year term of a perceived bad president the incumbent party never has a change to win. He now has no chance IMO....

[Michaelangelica]

The standardisation of screws made mass production possible.

Made Ford possible and made the US great.

[Thunderbird]

In short REASON, I won't vote for Obama, because he is an empty suit, has no idea what the History of this country is and should being a Harvard Law School Graduate in CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, where HISTORY IS A MUST. He has a pool of associates (not Wright or any of them) his friends and associates, even fellow democrats to draw his advisor's from and this should scare the heck out of the most liberal of liberals and has dissed his party's loyalist in more than one way. I don't think he has any idea how to run a household, much less a business, legal practice, the corner store, much less the United States. If he had been running his Campaign, as said, he would have received probably zero delegates and has one of the best strategist and strategist only in David Axlerod. Axlerod and media, took a story "funny name, broken home, dad from Africa and by the way black" as far as they could. Think this covers why I don't think he will win, as well. Oh yes, historically after any 8 year term of a perceived bad president the incumbent party never has a change to win. He now has no chance IMO....

I think its time to wake up and smell the coffee Jackson. :naughty:

 

Gallup Poll - Election News

Gallup Daily: Obama Leads for Ninth Straight Day, 50%-43% NEW October 5, 2008

Registered voters across the country continue to favor Barack Obama over John McCain for president, now by 50% to 43% in Gallup Poll Daily tracking from Oct. 2-4. This is Obama’s ninth consecutive day with a statistically significant lead.

[jackson33]

I think its time to wake up and smell the coffee Jackson. :naughty:

 

The polls are certainly not going my way and the trends I watch are reflecting the polls. Still a 14% Obama lead in California and the Senate appears to becoming close to veto proof (58-42 today), as if that would make a difference. Even here in NM, Obama has opened up a lead and the Conservative Republican is 15 points behind another very liberal Senate candidate. In fact the one National Map Poll, reflecting all polls, is showing a landslide Obama win (340EV). My projected Latino/Women movements apparently have not materialized.

 

Having said all that, there remains a large undecided vote in all areas Obama leads, but little in ones McCain leads. I don't think the Palin effect is being reflected, but is at best a 2% issue.

[Flying Binghi]

Looks like McCain/Palin are looking for 'reds under the bed' re, the Obama knows a terrorist comments..........sinking, sinking. Sad really, would have been good to see a woman pres (after McCain carked it)

[Turtle]

Here's a heads-up on a Frontline piece that covers the candidates. It plays tonight my time (PST) in 2 hours. :(

 

A two-hour examination of the rich personal and political biographies of John McCain and Barack Obama that goes behind the headlines to discover how they arrived at this moment and what their very different candidacies say about America.

FRONTLINE: home | PBS

[Moontanman]

I've been keeping track of the ads from the two candidates and I've noticed that almost all of the ads for McCain are smears and fear mongering against Obama but Obamas ads against McCain are almost completely issue orientated. At least in my area this is true.

[Galapagos]

We've had 8 years of anti-science in the White House, I think its high time this garbage ended. We now stand facing a glimmer of light-- the dawn of the genetic century is at hand; the human genome has been mapped, and we will soon reap all the fruits of this labor--that is, unless we get another anti-science loon in charge.

 

The watchdog group Union of Concerned Scientists has kept track of the government interference in science over the past 7 years, and it is sobering to have to look at all of this laid out in one place.

 

 

The anti-science sentiments of Palin are disgusting, and anyone voting for someone so ignorant and unqualified is doing a disservice to America and all of their neighbors. It is really an embarrassment that she is even being considered at all. Without even getting into her fruit-loop religious fantasies, she is an anti-stem cell research, creationist supporting, global warming doubting moron. Seriously, I would honestly like to know how anyone could make an informed vote for a card including this woman in good conscience.

[Buffy]

Apparently, the best they can do, the day after McCain indignantly claims that the smears are all Obama's fault because he wouldn't do 10 Town Hall debates:

 

Well, again, while you were on the board of the Woods Foundation, you and Mr. Ayers, together, you sent $230,000 to ACORN. So -- and you launched your political campaign in Mr. Ayers' living room, :)

Buffy