questor Posted August 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 this post was not intended to discuss philosophy. it was intended to discuss the existence or non-existence of a creator. it has nothing to do with the Bible, Jesus or other man made religious issues. the question is quite simple: does the universe exist due to a happenstance, or was there intelligent design responsible for the act? the atheist believes there is no creator and therefore things just happened. the agnostic has bowed out of the discussion and the rest believe a God of some denomination did the deed. since no one knows the true answer, we are left to speculate on the evidence. it would seem to me that the presence of an ordered universe, physical laws and life itself with all its complexitieswould offer ample evidence for the existence of intelligent design, yet the current scientific experts are saying it ain't so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEL555 Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 'ego' says i know what 'god' is knowledge cannot go beyond itself...] ...thought may be a virus,i am not sure,i may have this virus i will go see the doc tommorow what do the dancing 'wu li masters' have to say about all fo this :) ..ug is very interesting...i have read some of his stuff :)Jerry, You are the last to need a doc :) :) i dont want to use a *better* word than virusat this time :) .....just in case, this is not hell...it is heaven :) That *better* word might start a panic. :) i am going to google "The Garden"BRB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infamous Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 yet the current scientific experts are saying it ain't so.That's because the scientifc method requires evidence, and such evidence is currently not available. I am a believer in intelligent design but, when using the scientific method, I do not have enough evidence to support my belief. Until I have the evidence to support my opinions, I'll never convince a nonbeliever. Remember, faith needs no proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questor Posted August 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 our belief is not needed for either a creator or not. we are puny animals at a primitive point in presumably a long journey. if i can offer 5 points for belief in intelligent design and others can offer zero points to show absence of creation, i would say my evidence carries more weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEL555 Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 That's because the scientifc method requires evidence, and such evidence is currently not available. I am a believer in intelligent design but, when using the scientific method, I do not have enough evidence to support my belief. Until I have the evidence to support my opinions, I'll never convince a nonbeliever. Remember, faith needs no proof.JC said that He and the father(mother might be a better choice)are one in the same. dont faint JC was just an animal like us.JC understood the state of thebrain...we will shortly...dont want to start a panic :) ho ho hoBRB :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEL555 Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 .....would'nt logic and reason say there is something behind all of this ? :) :) and You might be an expression of THAT dont faint its ok. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C1ay Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 .....would'nt logic and reason say there is something behind all of this ? :)Nature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinewave Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 uh oh this is what i was warned about.... Reality ! i have become a realist after all :) hehe, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated. Don't worry JerryO, I went into town today and the 'reality' sure seemed a lot less tangible than this mere text conversation does. What is God? ... ha! ... the question itself presupposes there is such ... If there is, you will never find out. Any one want ice cream?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryo Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 ....i just fainted ! help me! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEL555 Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 ....i just fainted ! help me! :)goto julius i just sh*tall over theplace.... :) p.s.stand and walkho ho ho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Csongor Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 Are you intresting in to talk about the known entire Universe contexts with any kind of God? Or to create one really soon if we want it? So maybe after then we can understand more about the entire life on the earth, and how is related to any higher existence called GOD. Csongor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Csongor Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 So this is neccessarry to call the creator as GOD? Or if we do practically an independent system, could we creat a GOD it self for this system as well? Csongor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questor Posted August 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 man cannot create natural forces, so how could he possibly create something he can'tdescibe or understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryo Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 God is busy.... ...can i help you ? (satan) :rant: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Csongor Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 Uh you really idealistic. My question was about, who is GOD? The creator, or if we make an independent system, the highest reachable entity? Csongor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryo Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 God is a creation of mans psyche...a compensation born of fear and imagination any practice (religion,spitual,etc) is a pleasure movement. the brain is a sensual organ and needs to 'feel real' God is Ultimate Pleasure :rant: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questor Posted August 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 from the posts on this site, i am led to believe that man can only contemplate God as a spirit with human dimensions and thoughts. it seems like no one can think outside the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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