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#1 HouseKnight1

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Posted 26 May 2018 - 12:17 PM

DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL OR DESTRUCTION OF IRAN?

After the decisive step of Trump and his demands laid before the ayatollahs, voices are heard, that it is necessary to help Iran, since the defeat of the ayatollah regime will lead to the disintegration of the Iranian state and to instability in the Middle East.

Say, anti-Semitic rhetoric is needed in order to keep Iran’s unity (what is true).  Just as the war against Israel was necessary for the Assad regime to keep the unity of Syria. And Erdogan needs anti-Semitic rhetoric  to win elections. And Hitler needed this same rhetoric to seize power. And Russian czarist gendarmes needed it  to stop the revolution. And Nasser needed it to create a united Arab empire. And the CPSU needed it to prevent the collapse of the USSR. And  Islamists need it today to seize power.

But we Israelis do not agree to continue this game. For us, this is not just rhetoric, but a real war, the goal of which is another genocide of the Jews. In addition, anti-Semitic rhetoric only temporarily helps criminal regimes. The war against Israel will not save the ayatollah regime and the Assad regime, as it did not save the USSR from collapse. Sanctions against «settlers» will not eliminate the crisis of the European Union.

Not Israel but just the ayatollahs' regime endanger the unity and the very existence of Iranian state. The fears about the collapse of Iran are reasonable. The Persians constitute only half of the population of Iran, there are also Azerbaijanis, Kurds, Arabs, Baluchis, Turkmens, and three large Iranian-speaking peoples in the north of Iran. Although most of the inhabitants of Iran are Shiites, there are also Sunni peoples, primarily Kurds and Baluchis, who are dissatisfied with their subordinate position.

And most importantly, there is a growing layer of educated, modern or just smart people who are not satisfied with religious ideology in general, and with aggressive Islam — even more so.

Economic difficulties pour oil on the fire. The people reasonably believe that the cause of Iran’s difficult situation is precisely the external Islamist aggression of the ayatollahs. For many years the ayatollahs have «wiped» internal national, social and cultural differences, fomenting Islamic aggressiveness and directing it against a contrived external enemy, especially against the US and Jews.

Then, to all this was added chauvinism. The ayatollahs really caught fire by the thought that they can dictate to the entire World by establishing control over the World’s major oil reserves around the Persian (Arabian) Gulf. The nuclear blackmail turned one of the means of such a policy.

Caught by economic sanctions and their consequences inside Iran, the ayatollahs began to maneuver and reached an agreement with the Obama administration and Europe. While the US was announced at the beginning of the Islamic Revolution as the «Great Satan,» now Israel was appointed to this position. Well, ayatollahs must have an enemy, which is convenient target of attack. Once the US is too tough, then they must switch to Israel.

The history of the Iranian aggression against Israel started before a quarter of a century. It was Iran that inspired the Palestinians to brake the Oslo Accords, to unleash a terrorist, and then a missile war, with the goal of destroying Israel. Lebanese Shiites were connected to this task through Hezbollah, created by Iran, and now they try to harness Assad’s regime in the same chariot.

But with Putin, on whose support the ayatollahs counted, there was an ill luck. In addition, instead of Obama and Clinton, Americans chose President Trump, who needn’t  bribes, and he does only what is good for America. All his predecessors pursued a policy in favor of the group that led them to power, and now it turns out that these groups were pro-Islamic (or pro-money).

Thus, it turned out that even after the agreement on the nuclear program, Iran continues its attempts to undermine its main rival, Saudi Arabia. And it is eager to destroy Israel in the hope of completing the encirclement of Saudi Arabia, after which this state will be isolated and surrender at the mercy of the winner, or be partitioned into the Shiite part (where the oil is located) and the Sunni part (where there is no oil).

The policies of the American democrats and Europe boiled down to the betrayal of both Saudi Arabia and the Egyptian regime, and Israel, and clearly contributed to the plans of the ayatollahs.

Those who will replace the ayatollahs at the helm of Iran will have to solve the real problems of their country without resorting to anti-Semitism, chauvinism and Islamist aggression as ways to divert attention from these problems. Trump’s demands from Iran are realistic, and do not harm the interests of most Iranians, just the contrary is correct. If the ayatollahs do not accept these demands, then heavy sanctions will bring suffering to the Iranian people and undermine the power of the ayatollahs.

The Ayatollahs may try to escape the blow, provoking an all-Islamic and worldwide anti-Semitic campaign against Israel. The provocation of Hamas in Gaza is aimed at creating an excuse for such a campaign. Erdogan got already caught on these provocations.

The government of Israel needs to take steps that will weaken the motivation for the anti-Semitic campaign. For example, to offer joint control with the Muslims and Christians over the holy places of Jerusalem and Palestine. And invite the Ayatollah and the Saudi regimes to participate in such control. Let the Muslims liberate Jerusalem through peaceful cooperation, not war.

We are obliged to explain to all Muslims that we respect them, that we are not enemies of all Muslims, that we are only defending ourselves against the aggression of Islamic extremists, including Hamas. If Muslims really  want only to worship Allah and Muhammad, let them take part in the control of their holy places in Jerusalem and Palestine, together with Jews and Christians.

Such is the meaning of Trump’s (reasonable) proposal for international control over the Old City of Jerusalem. I support and clarify his proposal.

 

http://aaronblog.co/...uction-of-iran/

 

 

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#2 exchemist

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Posted 26 May 2018 - 03:02 PM

 

DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL OR DESTRUCTION OF IRAN?

After the decisive step of Trump and his demands laid before the ayatollahs, voices are heard, that it is necessary to help Iran, since the defeat of the ayatollah regime will lead to the disintegration of the Iranian state and to instability in the Middle East.

Say, anti-Semitic rhetoric is needed in order to keep Iran’s unity (what is true).  Just as the war against Israel was necessary for the Assad regime to keep the unity of Syria. And Erdogan needs anti-Semitic rhetoric  to win elections. And Hitler needed this same rhetoric to seize power. And Russian czarist gendarmes needed it  to stop the revolution. And Nasser needed it to create a united Arab empire. And the CPSU needed it to prevent the collapse of the USSR. And  Islamists need it today to seize power.

But we Israelis do not agree to continue this game. For us, this is not just rhetoric, but a real war, the goal of which is another genocide of the Jews. In addition, anti-Semitic rhetoric only temporarily helps criminal regimes. The war against Israel will not save the ayatollah regime and the Assad regime, as it did not save the USSR from collapse. Sanctions against «settlers» will not eliminate the crisis of the European Union.

The fears about the collapse of Iran are reasonable. The Persians constitute only half of the population of Iran, there are also Azerbaijanis, Kurds, Arabs, Baluchis, Turkmens, and three large Iranian-speaking peoples in the north of Iran. Although most of the inhabitants of Iran are Shiites, there are also Sunni peoples, primarily Kurds and Baluchis, who are dissatisfied with their subordinate position.

And most importantly, there is a growing layer of educated, modern or just smart people who are not satisfied with religious ideology in general, and with aggressive Islam — even more so.

Economic difficulties pour oil on the fire. The people reasonably believe that the cause of Iran’s difficult situation is precisely the external Islamist aggression of the ayatollahs. For many years the ayatollahs have «wiped» internal national, social and cultural differences, fomenting Islamic aggressiveness and directing it against a contrived external enemy, especially against the US and Jews.

Then, to all this was added chauvinism. The ayatollahs really caught fire by the thought that they can dictate to the entire World by establishing control over the World’s major oil reserves around the Persian (Arabian) Gulf. The nuclear blackmail turned one of the means of such a policy.

Caught by economic sanctions and their consequences inside Iran, the ayatollahs began to maneuver and reached an agreement with the Obama administration and Europe. While the US was announced at the beginning of the Islamic Revolution as the «Great Satan,» now Israel was appointed to this position. Well, ayatollahs must have an enemy, which is convenient target of attack. Once the US is too tough, then they must switch to Israel.

The history of the Iranian aggression against Israel started before a quarter of a century. It was Iran that inspired the Palestinians to brake the Oslo Accords, to unleash a terrorist, and then a missile war, with the goal of destroying Israel. Lebanese Shiites were connected to this task through Hezbollah, created by Iran, and now they try to harness Assad’s regime in the same chariot.

But with Putin, on whose support the ayatollahs counted, there was an ill luck. In addition, instead of Obama and Clinton, Americans chose President Trump, who needn’t  bribes, and he does only what is good for America. All his predecessors pursued a policy in favor of the group that led them to power, and now it turns out that these groups were pro-Islamic (or pro-money).

Thus, it turned out that even after the agreement on the nuclear program, Iran continues its attempts to undermine its main rival, Saudi Arabia. And it is eager to destroy Israel in the hope of completing the encirclement of Saudi Arabia, after which this state will be isolated and surrender at the mercy of the winner, or be partitioned into the Shiite part (where the oil is located) and the Sunni part (where there is no oil).

The policies of the American democrats and Europe boiled down to the betrayal of both Saudi Arabia and the Egyptian regime, and Israel, and clearly contributed to the plans of the ayatollahs.

Those who will replace the ayatollahs at the helm of Iran will have to solve the real problems of their country without resorting to anti-Semitism, chauvinism and Islamist aggression as ways to divert attention from these problems. Trump’s demands from Iran are realistic, and do not harm the interests of most Iranians, just the contrary is correct. If the ayatollahs do not accept these demands, then heavy sanctions will bring suffering to the Iranian people and undermine the power of the ayatollahs.

The Ayatollahs may try to escape the blow, provoking an all-Islamic and worldwide anti-Semitic campaign against Israel. The provocation of Hamas in Gaza is aimed at creating an excuse for such a campaign. Erdogan got already caught on these provocations.

The government of Israel needs to take steps that will weaken the motivation for the anti-Semitic campaign. For example, to offer joint control with the Muslims and Christians over the holy places of Jerusalem and Palestine. And invite the Ayatollah and the Saudi regimes to participate in such control. Let the Muslims liberate Jerusalem through peaceful cooperation, not war.

We are obliged to explain to all Muslims that we respect them, that we are not enemies of all Muslims, that we are only defending ourselves against the aggression of Islamic extremists, including Hamas. If Muslims really  want only to worship Allah and Muhammad, let them take part in the control of their holy places in Jerusalem and Palestine, together with Jews and Christians.

Such is the meaning of Trump’s (reasonable) proposal for international control over the Old City of Jerusalem. I support and clarify his proposal.

 

http://aaronblog.co/...uction-of-iran/

 

 

 

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Posted 26 May 2018 - 04:02 PM

DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL OR DESTRUCTION OF IRAN?

We have to choose one, Israel. Definitely, it's full of complete arseholes.

Iran has kick arse lady-ninjas.

Do you have kick arse lady-ninjas?

 

You've already been banned for being a complete arsehole http://www.sciencefo...with-human-face

You just created a new account. At least when I did that it was to ask Santus if he'd be willing to lift the ban, which I think Buffy dd because she's the one who banned me. No comment!


Edited by A-wal, 26 May 2018 - 04:04 PM.


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Posted 28 May 2018 - 03:53 AM

No worries A-wal, he knows I know :-)
But A-wal, try to not get yourself banned right away again. kick-arse lady ninja comment is fine. But insulting is still not fine. So you have been warned :-)


And Houseknight, either you start discussing your threads, as in "replying to comments" or you will be banned again. If you feel it is always same things you have to reply to then maybe stop posting small variations of the same rethoric;-)
Count this as an official warning.



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Posted 28 May 2018 - 06:08 AM

This is a topic I feel very strongly about and HouseKnight is the only poster on this sight who I find genuinely and deeply offensive rather than just annoying. I've had to hold back a lot have very nearly posted comments that would definitely have gotten me banned to be honest. I need to stop looking in his topics.

 

What's also really annoying is he won't or can't defend his position, he doesn't answer questions that would show how weak his 'arguments' are. Maybe now he will actually answer the question put to him. Do you or do you not have kick arse lady-ninjas?


Edited by A-wal, 28 May 2018 - 06:09 AM.


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Posted 29 May 2018 - 03:08 AM

I understand, but we still want to be a civilized place. I also feel strongly about this, that is why I try to (or tried to) to discuss with him.
He used to reply sometimes but not of lately.



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Posted 29 May 2018 - 10:34 AM

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I like the Israeli "ninjas" a lot better

 

Iran is a state-supporter of terrorism. 

 

The next time they mess with the US Navy, their boats will be blasted out of the water.



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Posted 29 May 2018 - 02:26 PM

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Those aren't ninjas!

 

Iran is a state-supporter of terrorism.

Whereas Israel is simply a terrorist state and hostile invader of neighbouring territories.

 

The next time they mess with the US Navy, their boats will be blasted out of the water.

It would be nice if the next time Israel 'messed' (invaded and annexed) with Palestinian territory they were met with the same kind of response as you suggest for Iran but proportional to their crimes.

 

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Ninjas!


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Posted 11 December 2018 - 05:51 PM

HouseKnight1 is either willfully ignorant or a flat out lier.

 

He says in one sentence that he has never heard of the term, "Gods chosen people" which is clearly the most racist three words ever written, and is the basis for the Jewish faith. He says he is an atheist, yet clings to the notion that a group of people who share nothing in common other than their faith, have a divine mandate to commit genocide on anyone who get in the way of them forcibly seizing lands that belong and are inhabited by others.

 

The ONLY reason why they (the Zionists, not "jews") have any claim in the middle east is because they claim this divine right, yet Houseknight1 says he does not believe in this Jewish god.  So on what basis is he living there?

 

Because Churchill and Hitler arranged it? How could Hitler (who did ship Jews from Europe to Palestine to resettle them) and Churchill possibly think that all the existing population of Palestine was going to be content to see their country caved up into sections and given away under their noses?  This is not the same scenario as refugees entering a new country and assimilating.  No, Its a forced seizure of lands belonging to others, and the eradication of the locals, by forced relocation or death.

 

What would USA do if say, Nigeria decide to send 20 million people from South Africa to a portion of the USA, like 50% of it, and claim it was now some new country?  This is exactly what Churchill and Hitler (both Zionist puppets, or at least in Hitlers case, a pawn) did to the country of Palestine.

 

The world is waking up to the war crimes of the same people who hide behind the holocaust story while they commit even more insidious crimes against humanity.

 

Those people are NOT "Jews" , they can be called Zionists, or many other names, but they are basically "the globalists". The Elitists.

They are clearly psychopaths, and their intent is to manage or control the world population through force, and the main arm of that force is via the USA military and its associated military industrial complex.  

 

If Houseknight1 is claiming to be ignorant of these facts, then he needs to read a wider variety of information, and stop posting an endless collection of distortions of history.

 

 

 

 



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Posted 11 December 2018 - 05:56 PM

and people who think that Iran is some evil country are mislead by zionist controlled media. Its all a lie folks.

The ONLY terrorist organization causing world wide terror today is Zionist controlled USA military and CIA managed militants.

USA is a puppet of Zionist Israel.  This is the truth.

Americans, you have lost your country to insider parasites.



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Posted 12 December 2018 - 02:07 AM

Just reduce the entire area to radioactive glass and slag. Many problems solved. More solved in all major religious figures go to the area for some kinda summit at the time too. 

Simple solutions. :D



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Posted 06 February 2019 - 12:33 PM

and people who think that Iran is some evil country are mislead by zionist controlled media. Its all a lie folks.

The ONLY terrorist organization causing world wide terror today is Zionist controlled USA military and CIA managed militants.

USA is a puppet of Zionist Israel.  This is the truth.

Americans, you have lost your country to insider parasites.

You're lacking in diplomacy but you really nailed it!

The 21st. century will bring big changes which will give us new faith in humanity, if the changes don't prompt the US to start a nuclear war. I'm pretty confident that Iran is now safe, due to Russia's and China's interests in the region. And also, the US stepping stone, Syria, to a war on Iran, is now pretty well been saved and is in the safe hands of Russia.

 

Russia and China will step lightly for the near future, for fear of the US reacting violently as the US loses it's place as the world hegemon. But Russia and China won't be held back.

 

Our saving grace is MAD. (mutually assured destruction) No nation of the future will ever be immune. This bodes well for hope of world peace as it pertains to world war in the future..



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Posted 06 February 2019 - 12:35 PM

Just reduce the entire area to radioactive glass and slag. Many problems solved. More solved in all major religious figures go to the area for some kinda summit at the time too. 

Simple solutions. :D

I understand that as being a joke because I know you're better than that. But at the same time it's avoidance of the issue. Is that a good thing for this forum?





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