Michaelangelica Posted March 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Just you and me reason (?) A reluctant Guantanamo Bay jailer, who found himself working in that "legal black hole" at age 19, tells his shocking story. The video to your right is a brief but telling testimony given by Chris Arendt at the Winter Soldier Hearings in Washington, D.C., on March 15. Arendt, out of options, joined the military at age 17 and soon found himself guarding detainees at the U.S. prison facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Historian Andy Worthington, author of the Guantanamo Files, estimates that a maximum of around 50 of the 774 people who have spent time in "Gitmo" were hardened terrorists. U.S. forces in Afghanistan -- where many, but by no means all of the detainees were captured -- essentially had no routine in place to distinguish between hard-core anti-American terrorists and the legion of people unfortunate to be caught in the wrong place at the wrong time.How to Become a Concentration Camp Guard Without Even Trying | War on Iraq: A Soldier Speaks | AlterNet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougF Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 MichaelangelicaJust you and me reason (?) No you are not alone, I am still here, but I don't know what to say about this, is there no accountability for anyone. :hyper: Michaelangelica 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfiniteNow Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 No you are not alone, I am still here, but I don't know what to say about this, is there no accountability for anyone. :hihi: Of course there is. We award medals and pardons to those who do the worst! :naughty: DougF and Michaelangelica 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfiniteNow Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 "How far can you go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without?"~Dwight D. Eisenhower A great piece on 60 Minutes tonight. Go here, click play (~13m): CBS News Video - Top Stories and Video News Clips at CBSNews.com When did we begin travelling on the wrong path as a nation? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelangelica Posted March 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 "How far can you go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without?"~Dwight D. EisenhowerThat really sums up the whole issue doesn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelangelica Posted June 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 Jailed for Protesting Gitmo: 34 Convicted for Demonstrations Outside Supreme CourtJailed for Protesting Gitmo: 34 Convicted for Demonstrations Outside Supreme Court | Rights and Liberties | AlterNetFromWhy Has the British Government Forsaken Gitmo Prisoner Binyam Mohamed?By Clive Stafford Smith, Independent UKAs the Pentagon prepares to prosecute Binyam Mohamed in a lawless military tribunal, his own government is MIA. Read more » Gitmo in Disarray, But Pentagon Moves Full Speed Ahead with Military CommissionsBy Andy Worthington, Andy Worthington's BlogWith four more prisoners charged last week, the Bush administration seems intent on trying as many Guantánamo detainees as possible before November. Read more » "A Kinder, Gentler Torture": My Client at GuantánamoBy H. Candace Gorman, In These TimesThe American people either don't care about torture -- or else they don't want to hear about it. Read more » America's Cruel and Unusual Culture: Why Do We Execute the Mentally Handicapped?By Liliana Segura, AlterNetA Supreme Court ruling recently gave states the green light to resume executions; two of the first three executed prisoners were mentally disabled. Read more » Raytheon's Pain Ray: Coming to a Protest Near You?By Michael Dickinson, CounterPunchHow long before the "Holy Grail of crowd control" is used to quell domestic dissent? Read more » Iraqi Facing Deportation from Britain to Baghdad: Iraqi Facing Deportation from Britain to Baghdad: "I Will be Dead Within Days"By Robert Verkaik, Independent UKZyad al-Saadon has lived in Britain for 35 years. Now, the British government want to deport him to Baghdad. Read more » Human Rights Report Blasts Human Rights Report Blasts "Hollowness of U.S. Administration's Call for Democracy Abroad"By Sanjay Suri, IPS NewsFrom police tasers to Gitmo, a recent report by Amnesty International takes the United States to task on human rights. Read more » This cell toured Australia via AmnestyGuantanamo Cell Tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelangelica Posted June 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Shite hitting the fan?I am glad I will not be the next President of the USA.What a mess everywhere to clean up!Justices Rule Terror Suspects Can Appeal in Civilian Courtshttp://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/washington/13scotus.html?hpDetention Camp Remains, but Not Its Legal Rationalehttp://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/washington/13gitmo.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin Mukasey Says Guantanamo Military Trials Will Proceedhttp://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Guantanamo-Mukasey.htmlMcCain and Obama Split on Justices’ Guantánamo Rulinghttp://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/us/politics/13candidates.html&OQ=_rQ3D1&OP=1f77e160Q2FUQ7ELQ2BUMG-pbGG@Q27UQ27nnNUnjUqeU6pUoGkD@D-pUqe-8,MDM8@LpQ26f@ik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Shite hitting the fan? :lol: :hihi::shade: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFINITLYDISTRUBD Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 Haven't heard much about these folks lately, Glad to see they're still out there:) (One of the few groups I can honestly say I respect) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelangelica Posted June 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 Haven't heard much about these folks lately, Glad to see they're still out there:) (One of the few groups I can honestly say I respect)Me tooI am a member (oz dept) Yoko Ono just gave them one of Paul's songs and they have made about $250,000 out of it in just a few months! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theory5 Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Quantanamo bay should be declared US soil and all its inhabitants should get the same treatment anyone living in the USA would get. (I think since it is a military installation its a bit different but still) Kayra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelangelica Posted July 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Quantanamo bay should be declared US soilCuba may have a few things to say about that especially as the States is about 40 years behind in the rent.It seems to me that the USA has lost the "War on Terror". So far most Yanks seem to stupid to realise this. The terrorists have destroyed all the ideals that the US used to stand for (freedom, democracy, justice, etc).In the process killing thousands of innocent civilians, and young soldiers, flushing $3 trillion down the lavatory, and irrecoverably damaging their international standing and reputation and perhaps even their economy. How is the US going to let the thousands of "terrorists" in jails throughout the world out? It would be like setting a dozen angry hornets nests free. Kayra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFINITLYDISTRUBD Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 So far most Yanks seem to stupid to realise this. The terrorists have destroyed all the ideals that the US used to stand for (freedom, democracy, justice, etc).It ain't so much that we don't realise, But that we realise that there ain't a F###ing thing we can do about it...(but there an awful lot of Americans that fit your view of things as well....GOD I HATE THEM!!!) REASON 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelangelica Posted July 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 It is just so sad DFINITLYDISTRUBD So who do we turn to as a guiding light for humanitarian values now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFINITLYDISTRUBD Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Canada of course!:phones:Such nice people up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelangelica Posted October 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Judge Orders 17 Detainees at Guantánamo FreedArticle Tools Sponsored ByBy WILLIAM GLABERSONPublished: October 7, 2008 WASHINGTON — A federal judge on Tuesday ordered the Bush administration to release 17 detainees at Guantánamo Bay by the end of the week, the first such ruling in nearly seven years of legal disputes over the administration’s detention policies.Skip to next paragraphCharles Dharapak/Associated Press Judge Ricardo M. UrbinaRelatedEvidence Faulted in Detainee Case (July 1, 2008)Times Topics: Uighurs The judge, Ricardo M. Urbina of Federal District Court, ordered that the 17 men be brought to his courtroom on Friday from the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, where they have been held since 2002. He indicated that he would release the men, members of the restive Uighur Muslim minority in western China, into the care of supporters in the United States, initially in the Washington area. “I think the moment has arrived for the court to shine the light of constitutionality on the reasons for detention,” Judge Urbina said. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/08/washington/08detain.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayra Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 The terrorists have destroyed all the ideals that the US used to stand for (freedom, democracy, justice, etc). The terrorists created a situation that tested American resolve to stick to their founding ideals. While I am getting a sense that the average American would have passed this test (this is a personal and unsupported sense) their leadership failed this test in almost every significant way. How is the US going to let the thousands of "terrorists" in jails throughout the world out? It would be like setting a dozen angry hornets nests free. The entire American justice system hinges on the belief that its society is better off suffering a dozen guilty men going free then to allow a single person to be unjustly incarcerated. A grand, and ultimately unachievable goal, but it is the striving to attain this that their system something to be envied. Simply put, it was another test of character of the leadership of the country. The justice system understands this principle, and would have adhered to it. It has and is showing that it has the character to stick to it's guns regardless of the consequences because they actually understand the deeper and more dire consequences. The leadership knew of the justice systems driven need to stand on principle and so devised means to circumvent it. A failure of character! It is easy to sit here and judge, without providing a single suggestion for a solution, but the problem is that all energies were put into finding solutions that took the "easy" way out, instead of looking at creating laws that would allow the proper disposition of these types of people without obliterating those pesky basic founding principles of the country. Michaelangelica 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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