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#1 hazelm

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Posted 09 April 2019 - 08:07 AM

Does anyone else see the sadness in this?   Scientists developing soft robots who can be caring for the needs of those in their "golden years".  (quotation marks mine).

 

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Posted 11 April 2019 - 01:20 AM

Well, some day the world will run out of Filipina nurses so we have to come up with something.



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Posted 11 April 2019 - 06:58 AM

Well, some day the world will run out of Filipina nurses so we have to come up with something.

Some thing!  How about some persons?  Interrelationships of human beings? 

 

The end of my philosophy for the day.  :spin:



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Posted 11 April 2019 - 10:36 AM

  Interrelationships of human beings? 

 

Who needs em, eh, Hazel?  You can't trust them bastards.  They just forge your name on your checks and crap.

 

A machine won't double cross you.


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Posted 11 April 2019 - 10:41 AM

Some thing!  How about some persons?  Interrelationships of human beings? 

 

The end of my philosophy for the day.  :spin:

 

 

Hold on there, Hazel.

 

I wrote something, not some thing.

 

There is a difference between the two!

 

Something is a pronoun. Something means an unspecified object or concept. In fact, something may very well mean replacing those Filipina nurses with Chinese nurses in which case, the interrelationships of human beings is preserved.

 

On the other hand, you wrote "some thing" in which  some is a determiner and thing is a noun. Used in that way, it may describe some thing is under the bed and not human, as in a horror flick.

 

It is a subtle difference but still an important one.

 

Of course, I do understand your thread is about replacing the human-human relationship with robots which are indeed  things but I don't really see that happening very soon, but it is certainly the way things are trending.

Right now when you are an in-patient at any modern hospital, you find yourself hooked up to a variety of patient monitoring machines that are best described as "robots" and the nurse only comes around when she hears one beeping. So we are seemingly on our way inevitably to full robotic care. Who knows, it might even be better that way?



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Posted 11 April 2019 - 03:29 PM

Who needs em, eh, Hazel?  You can't trust them bastards.  They just forge your name on your checks and crap.

 

A machine won't double cross you.

Don't bet on that.  The last time I was in a hosptial, they had a recliner I could sit in.  The rule was "don't stand up; don't walk around the room".  If I so much as rose up to stretch my legs,  that machine screeched loudly and a nurse came running, asking what I was doing.  Those robotic creatures are getting very good at their jobs.



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Posted 11 April 2019 - 03:31 PM

Hold on there, Hazel.

 

I wrote something, not some thing.

 

There is a difference between the two!

 

Something is a pronoun. Something means an unspecified object or concept. In fact, something may very well mean replacing those Filipina nurses with Chinese nurses in which case, the interrelationships of human beings is preserved.

 

On the other hand, you wrote "some thing" in which  some is a determiner and thing is a noun. Used in that way, it may describe some thing is under the bed and not human, as in a horror flick.

 

It is a subtle difference but still an important one.

 

Of course, I do understand your thread is about replacing the human-human relationship with robots which are indeed  things but I don't really see that happening very soon, but it is certainly the way things are trending.

Right now when you are an in-patient at any modern hospital, you find yourself hooked up to a variety of patient monitoring machines that are best described as "robots" and the nurse only comes around when she hears one beeping. So we are seemingly on our way inevitably to full robotic care. Who knows, it might even be better that way?

Better than nothing which I see with some elderly living nearby and never seeing a relative.  Yes, better than nothing but I wouldn't like it. 



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Posted 12 April 2019 - 01:23 PM

Don't bet on that.  The last time I was in a hosptial, they had a recliner I could sit in.  The rule was "don't stand up; don't walk around the room".  If I so much as rose up to stretch my legs,  that machine screeched loudly and a nurse came running, asking what I was doing.  Those robotic creatures are getting very good at their jobs.

 

I had the same experience the last time I was incarcerated (at least that is how it felt).  If I hit the buzzer because I had to use the bathroom that was 5 feet away no one would respond for 20 minutes, but they dam sure came running when I got out of bed and went unescorted.  They are more concerned about lawsuits than patient comfort and dignity.



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Posted 12 April 2019 - 01:27 PM

Better than nothing which I see with some elderly living nearby and never seeing a relative.  Yes, better than nothing but I wouldn't like it. 

 

I spent a few weeks recuperating in a nursing home after the hospital stay and it is a sad to see the emotional state of the elderly that have been dumped in these facilities.



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Posted 12 April 2019 - 01:30 PM

Does anyone else see the sadness in this?   Scientists developing soft robots who can be caring for the needs of those in their "golden years".  (quotation marks mine).

 

https://www.scienced...p Science News)

 

At the age of 58 I am not so sure I like being considered "elderly".


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Posted 12 April 2019 - 01:42 PM

I had the same experience the last time I was incarcerated (at least that is how it felt).  If I hit the buzzer because I had to use the bathroom that was 5 feet away no one would respond for 20 minutes, but they dam sure came running when I got out of bed and went unescorted.  They are more concerned about lawsuits than patient comfort and dignity.

 

Hmmm, lay in your own waste or piss off the nurse on duty.  Tough choice. :scared:



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Posted 12 April 2019 - 04:25 PM

At the age of 58 I am not so sure I like being considered "elderly".

 

Soon you will be older, oh the horror, I am 27 about to be 28 and I feel old. I was doing martial arts about a month ago and was swinging a katana at a tree and threw my shoulder out for the first time and It was a horrifying experience, I was like damn I am getting old, I remember being 19 and cutting a tree in half, but being 58 my my soon you will be older than the dirt. Maybe they can make Military Robots to swing my swords for me when I am older, hopefully one of my A.I. are up to the challenge of learning swordplay and fencing during the Technological Singularity when I will be in my 50s or hell maybe I will Mind Upload into a new robotic body, In any case, I think robots caring for the elderly is just the beginning.


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Posted 12 April 2019 - 04:59 PM

Soon you will be older, oh the horror, I am 27 about to be 28 and I feel old. I was doing martial arts about a month ago and was swinging a katana at a tree and threw my shoulder out for the first time and It was a horrifying experience, I was like damn I am getting old, I remember being 19 and cutting a tree in half, but being 58 my my soon you will be older than the dirt. Maybe they can make Military Robots to swing my swords for me when I am older, hopefully one of my A.I. are up to the challenge of learning swordplay and fencing during the Technological Singularity when I will be in my 50s or hell maybe I will Mind Upload into a new robotic body, In any case, I think robots caring for the elderly is just the beginning.

 

If I follow my paternal grandfather I should make it to about 94 (pneumonia), and if I follow my maternal grandfather I should be dead at about 72 (pancreatic cancer), so I figure I should make it to at least 83.  Incidentally this is my parents current age, so I have more time to piss people off with my continued existence. :nahnahbooboo:



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Posted 31 May 2019 - 09:54 AM

I understand that the age of technology and the zeal of scientists in the development. But people need people and live communication. No robots will replace this. You can automate business processes hospice, hospitals. Such a rule already exists https://light-it.net...n-a-hospital/#1. Automates paper related work. Or as they say in business, this is a back office job. But people need to work with older people. These are living souls.



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Posted 31 May 2019 - 10:33 AM

I had the same experience the last time I was incarcerated (at least that is how it felt).  If I hit the buzzer because I had to use the bathroom that was 5 feet away no one would respond for 20 minutes, but they dam sure came running when I got out of bed and went unescorted.  They are more concerned about lawsuits than patient comfort and dignity.

They don't come nearly as fast when you hit the call button as they do if you "stand up; walk around the room".  I once, after waiting "a coon's age",  told a nurse that I was tempted to just unhook myself and go but I didn't want to alarm anyone.  She laughed and said "you could have done it but I don't guarantee anyone would come."  I do not understand - nor like - today's medical world.  Psychologists keep telling us we need interaction to live a mentally healthy life.  Then they tell us to talk with robots.  Crazy. 

 

If you  can make that alarm go off, they'll all come running. 


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Posted 31 May 2019 - 12:13 PM

I understand that the age of technology and the zeal of scientists in the development. But people need people and live communication. No robots will replace this. You can automate business processes hospice, hospitals. Such a rule already exists https://light-it.net...n-a-hospital/#1. Automates paper related work. Or as they say in business, this is a back office job. But people need to work with older people. These are living souls.

You seem to be a robot yourself, so I expect you would know. 



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Posted 01 June 2019 - 12:32 AM

Well, some day the world will run out of Filipina nurses so we have to come up with something.

Agreed OB, Lets hope the ubiquitous sky-net is up to the task. I don't think it will be that much of an adjustment for me. I get yelled at by technology all day long.

 

My office printer scolding me for starving it of paper, airport metal detectors upset over my belt buckle style, credit card machines pissed because I inserted my smart chip purchase tracking device in it wrong. The list goes on and on, but I tolerate for now.

 

I will say this though, the first time nursemaid nanotechnology puts my adult diaper on sideways, IT'S GOING TO GET UGLY!!!


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