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#1 scherado

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 02:19 AM

I live in a small town with a 9/11 memorial at it's center. It has a granite block with the names of those--a short list, less than 10--who died in the attacks and lived in the town. There are numerous memorials in such towns up and down the Hudson River, New York. I didn't know any of those people in the town in which I now live. I was living a bit farther up the river in another town on that day in 2001. My Sister's husband was flying out of one of the Boston airports that had a plane hijacked and flown into the towers.

What I was doing that morning, I've never told anyone, really, for the reason that it gives me the creeps. What I did do was break the daily, repeated pattern of activity I had been doing for many weeks and, probably months...to do something else: I watched a documentary on Fat Man and Little Boy, the two atomic bombs dropped on Japan.

When I later turned on the cable news on the tv I was seeing things I couldn't comprehend and was on the phone with my friend and he told me the twin towers had collapsed...I didn't take that to be literal.

On the tv, I saw a replay of the collapse of the second tower, this may have been 11am. The second tower collapsed about 10:30am.

It was on that day that I made it my "hobby" to follow and stay informed on the subject of terrorism and have observed the mayhem of jihadi murder, world-wide since 2001.

Seven days ago, I had this thought, which I posted in a few comments-sections of some websites and place here for some to mull:
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8 years Clinton, GWBush elected, takes office, 9 months later--9/11 hijackings.

8 years The Big O-Mo, DJTrump elected, takes office, 9 months later--____________.

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Do I think there will be such a large-scale attack tomorrow? My crystal ball is in the repair shop.

Do I think such a large scale-scale attack is being planned. Yes, yes, three times yes.

Today is 9/10/2017.

What will you be doing tomorrow?

#2 DrKrettin

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 02:32 AM

Today is 9/10/2017.

What will you be doing tomorrow?

 

Is there anywhere in the world other than the USA which has this confusing date convention? For me, tomorrow will be 11/9/2017, and I won't be doing anything in particular.



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Posted 10 September 2017 - 02:54 AM

Is there anywhere in the world other than the USA which has this confusing date convention? For me, tomorrow will be 11/9/2017, and I won't be doing anything in particular.

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Let's "talk" on 9/12/2017.

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#4 exchemist

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 03:32 AM

Is there anywhere in the world other than the USA which has this confusing date convention? For me, tomorrow will be 11/9/2017, and I won't be doing anything in particular.

Same here.

 

Nor, more perhaps to the point, seeing as I am a Londoner, do I do anything special on the anniversary of so-called "7/7", the 7th July London bomb attacks. And nor does anyone else. 

 

This practice of commemorating terrorist attacks seems to me to play into the hands of terrorists by enabling them to feel they have permanently scarred the community, it cultivates an unhealthy sense of victimhood and it can all too easily be used by unscrupulous or politically motivated people to whip up emotions - in this case anti-muslim prejudice.

 

We should just get on with our lives as normal.  


Edited by exchemist, 10 September 2017 - 03:35 AM.


#5 scherado

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 05:06 AM

Is there anywhere in the world other than the USA which has this confusing date convention? For me, tomorrow will be 11/9/2017, and I won't be doing anything in particular.

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I re-read your reply and this time I don't think I know what is meant by "this confusing dat[e] convention". Let's try this date: February 26, 1993. What does this date signify and is anyone confused about this date?

Edited by scherado, 10 September 2017 - 12:36 PM.


#6 DrKrettin

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 06:37 AM

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I re-read your reply and this time I don't think I know what is meant by "this confusing data convention". Let's try this date: February 26, 1993. What does this date signify and is anyone confused about this date?

 

Nobody can be confused about that date because even when written 26/2/1993 or 2/26/1993 it is unambiguous. But when I see 9/11/2017, I understand 9th November 2017, as anybody in the world outside the USA would. People inside tend to forget that most of the world is outside.

 

No idea what that particular date 26/2/1993 signifies, but I'm guessing some atrocity in the USA



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Posted 10 September 2017 - 01:17 PM

Nobody can be confused about that date because even when written 26/2/1993 or 2/26/1993 it is unambiguous. But when I see 9/11/2017, I understand 9th November 2017, as anybody in the world outside the USA would. People inside tend to forget that most of the world is outside.

No idea what that particular date 26/2/1993 signifies, but I'm guessing some atrocity in the USA

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I now understand the meaning of "confusing date convention", which is followed by "I won't be doing anything in particular [on September 11, 2017]. For the record, I don't have anything planned for tomorrow that is out of the ordinary. This is relevant to a peek I made into the hidden post of the person who occupies the top (and bottom) of my ignore list.

What I do assume with no risk is that you understand the theme of the OP; and for that reason I now can make an informed judgement of your reply in post #2 above.

The man, "Ramzi Ahmed Yousef", who designed and helped build the bomb which exploded under the North Tower on February 26, 1993 said, after he was captured and interrogated, that his intent was to topple that tower onto the other tower, killing everyone within both towers and everyone below. That total would have been 50,000 minimum and up to 250,000.

It does not need to be stated that we can be sure as night follows day that there would be no reason to signify September 11, 2001 in relation to any towers had "Yousef" been successful on that day in 1993.

Now, on this forum we have a member, you "DrKrettin", who thinks the day on which actual, factual thousands who were killed in the successful toppling of those two buildings has no significance and to which ignored member #1 agrees.

This tells me there is something seriously wrong with "DrKrettin" and that I should add that name to my ignore list behind the one who thinks those who are "Jews" and "far right" can't be trusted to provide accurate content on their website--"Likudnik Jews" to be specific. Unbleeping believable.

Congratulations!

My list now reads:

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The reason I put the 1993 bomb-maker's name inside quotes is, to quote the man who sentenced him, Judge Kevin Thomas Duffy, "We don't even know what your real name is." (nytimes.com)
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Nobody can be confused about that date because even when written 26/2/1993 or 2/26/1993 it is unambiguous. But when I see 9/11/2017, I understand 9th November 2017, as anybody in the world outside the USA would. People inside tend to forget that most of the world is outside.

No idea what that particular date 26/2/1993 signifies, but I'm guessing some atrocity in the USA



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Posted 10 September 2017 - 01:34 PM

What I do assume with no risk...

 

Actually, you're taking a lot of risks here. Don't attack members of this site and think that there cannot be any consequences. 

 

One could make lots of inferences about your intent in this thread, many of them not very good, but you've yet to be explicit, but that's the only saving grace at this point.

 

 

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 02:14 PM

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What I do assume with no risk is that [DrKrettin] understand ['s] the theme of the OP; and for that reason I now can make an informed judgement of [his] reply in post #2 above.
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Actually, you're taking a lot of risks here. Don't attack members of this site and think that there cannot be any consequences.

One could make lots of inferences about your intent in this thread, many of them not very good, but you've yet to be explicit, but that's the only saving grace at this point.
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I made no risk in my assumption that led to my conclusion and judgement.

I reported your post alluding to attacking members as ERRONEOUS. The reason: You are harrassing me without warrant; My intent and purpose of this thread is not ambiguous and is explicit--see 1, 2, 3 below; You allude to "consequences" based on the erroneous accusation. That means my report is warranted. What "inferences" could you make base on:

1. Today is September 10, 2017.
2. Tomorrow is September 11, 2017.
3. I quote from the OP, the last line: "What will you be doing tomorrow?

You should be relieved of your job as Administrator. You are dangerous.
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You may wish to reconsider avoiding his, or other people's posts without considering them in some detail.

Kind of like we're doing with yours right now.
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You are harassing me.

#10 exchemist

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 02:34 PM

I have generally found that people who attack Wikipaedia have an agenda of some sort.

 

Anyone who seriously thinks Frontpage is an unbiased source of information, when it is self-confessedly engaged in "political warfare" must be a rare form of, er, individual. 

 

It will be interesting to see how this pans out. 

 

By the way, if you google "scherado", you get a number of hits relating to discussions on a website called the "Geller Report". This seems to be devoted to whipping up anti-muslim hysteria in the USA. Here is one example: https://pamelageller...-cologne.html/ 

But there are more. There is some information about the Geller report here: https://mediabiasfac.../geller-report/  Geller is a well-known muslim name of course.... 

 

And also you get hits on discussions on another website called jihadwatch: https://www.jihadwat...-save-mans-life (This one I think may actually be run by David Horowitz)

 

And again, more hits on this site: http://gatesofvienna...with-the-burka/ (The gates of Vienna refers to the battle at which the muslim Ottoman attackers were defeated by Don John of Austria in 1683, seen as a turning point in halting the muslim tide in Europe.)

 

So I think we can safely say we know what turns Scherado on. The only mystery is why this person decides to sign up to a SCIENCE website. But perhaps anti-muslim propaganda does not quite fill the day. 


Edited by exchemist, 10 September 2017 - 03:15 PM.


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Posted 10 September 2017 - 04:24 PM

What "inferences" could you make base on:

1. Today is September 10, 2017.
2. Tomorrow is September 11, 2017.
3. I quote from the OP, the last line: "What will you be doing tomorrow?


The key problem with your logic here is that there is absolutely no justification for limiting the "inferences" we might be making solely to what you put in the OP. All of your other posts are fully relevant to my and other's assessment of your intent.

Can you make an argument that people should evaluate your behavior solely upon what you decide is relevant?

And quite frankly, how are we supposed to know?
 

You should be relieved of your job as Administrator. You are dangerous.


Yes, I've been called "dangerous" and many other things as well. Although never a "Likudnik." But I have been called a "Self-hating Jew," a frequent epithet among folks like Shapiro and Horowitz.
 

You are harassing me.


When you're given a warning by an admin about your behavior, you'll find that on most sites the admins pretty much fall into a Thin Blue Line. You've been here for all of 2 days and you're already telling us how we should run our forum or what things our members should and should not say.

I assume that your behavior here is pretty much what people experience of you in real life. How's that working for you?

Given how quickly people end up on your ignore list, I assume that within about a week there will be nothing left for you to read here.

We're happy to have new members join and contribute, but this is an existing community of people drawn together by common interests with accepted conventions of interaction, and it's up to you to figure out whether you fit in with us, not scold us for not fitting in with your view of the world. Does that make any sense to you?


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Posted 10 September 2017 - 06:26 PM

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I now understand the meaning of "confusing date convention", which is followed by "I won't be doing anything in particular [on September 11, 2017]. For the record, I don't have anything planned for tomorrow that is out of the ordinary. This is relevant to a peek I made into the hidden post of the person who occupies the top (and bottom) of my ignore list.

What I do assume with no risk is that you understand the theme of the OP; and for that reason I now can make an informed judgement of your reply in post #2 above.

The man, "Ramzi Ahmed Yousef", who designed and helped build the bomb which exploded under the North Tower on February 26, 1993 said, after he was captured and interrogated, that his intent was to topple that tower onto the other tower, killing everyone within both towers and everyone below. That total would have been 50,000 minimum and up to 250,000.

It does not need to be stated that we can be sure as night follows day that there would be no reason to signify September 11, 2001 in relation to any towers had "Yousef" been successful on that day in 1993.

Now, on this forum we have a member, you "DrKrettin", who thinks the day on which actual, factual thousands who were killed in the successful toppling of those two buildings has no significance and to which ignored member #1 agrees.

This tells me there is something seriously wrong with "DrKrettin" and that I should add that name to my ignore list behind the one who thinks those who are "Jews" and "far right" can't be trusted to provide accurate content on their website--"Likudnik Jews" to be specific. Unbleeping believable.

Congratulations!

My list now reads:

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DrKrettin

The reason I put the 1993 bomb-maker's name inside quotes is, to quote the man who sentenced him, Judge Kevin Thomas Duffy, "We don't even know what your real name is." (nytimes.com)
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You can spend your life keeping track of wrongs, and keep lists of those who have wronged you.  You can wallow in bitterness and anger and plot revenge, and you can feel vindication when you watch others suffer in retribution.  Will you be better for it?  Will you be more secure?  Will it bring joy to your life?

 

I remember the past, and I reflect upon the lessons learned, but I won't linger too long.  The past has made me stronger, and given me resolve to carry on.  I refuse to act out of anger or fear, and I refuse to hate all those who differ from myself.

 

Anger,  hatred, and fear are too exhausting to be maintained, and they don't produce anything but more of the same.  I don't forget, but I do forgive.  Forgiveness is not for the benefit of those who have wronged me.  Forgiveness I do for my self.  Forgiveness is an act of strength.  Forgiveness says to those who may wrong me that although they can do me harm, they can't take away who I am.  



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 12:42 AM

You can spend your life keeping track of wrongs, and keep lists of those who have wronged you.  You can wallow in bitterness and anger and plot revenge, and you can feel vindication when you watch others suffer in retribution.  Will you be better for it?  Will you be more secure?  Will it bring joy to your life?

 

I remember the past, and I reflect upon the lessons learned, but I won't linger too long.  The past has made me stronger, and given me resolve to carry on.  I refuse to act out of anger or fear, and I refuse to hate all those who differ from myself.

 

Anger,  hatred, and fear are too exhausting to be maintained, and they don't produce anything but more of the same.  I don't forget, but I do forgive.  Forgiveness is not for the benefit of those who have wronged me.  Forgiveness I do for my self.  Forgiveness is an act of strength.  Forgiveness says to those who may wrong me that although they can do me harm, they can't take away who I am.  

 

Well, that is all nice and noble and all, but when you get down to the bare facts, the jihadists don’t give a rat’s *** about being forgiven and the only thing they are interested in is killing some more infidels. I think it is prudent to not forget that. In a dangerous world it is foolish you let your guard down.

 

I am not planning anything special for 9/11/2017 but I am very sure that Homeland Security and other agencies will be on a higher state of alert, and not just in the USA.



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 12:44 AM

Is there anywhere in the world other than the USA which has this confusing date convention? For me, tomorrow will be 11/9/2017, and I won't be doing anything in particular.

 

 

If the format is confusing, it is because we inherited it from you, then you went and changed your minds. We are upholding your tradition!

(I realize this is from a kids.net site, but I have no reason to doubt it is true)



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 12:46 AM

Yes, I've been called "dangerous" and many other things as well.

 

Like "dishonest"?



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 01:02 AM

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Now, on this forum we have a member, you "DrKrettin", who thinks the day on which actual, factual thousands who were killed in the successful toppling of those two buildings has no significance and to which ignored member #1 agrees.



My list now reads:

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How extraordinarily stupid. The fact that the particular date meant nothing to me is interpreted as my dismissal of the atrocity which happened on that date. That, and the inability to see an ambiguity in the date format, really does point to a remarkable insularity. At least I'll be spared the irritation of reading his/her posts in future.



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 01:04 AM

Well, that is all nice and noble and all, but when you get down to the bare facts, the jihadists don’t give a rat’s *** about being forgiven and the only thing they are interested in is killing some more infidels. I think it is prudent to not forget that. In a dangerous world it is foolish you let your guard down.

 

I am not planning anything special for 9/11/2017 but I am very sure that Homeland Security and other agencies will be on a higher state of alert, and not just in the USA.

As with Fahrenheit, gallons and pounds, I suppose. I'm old enough to remember how ghastly it was doing all the conversions, when the UK switched to metric units in science.  





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