alexander Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Just a thought that strained through, but is it possible that a googolplex is almost infinity? now, let me think through this one... a googol is 1*10^100 yet researchers assume that the total amount of atoms in the universe is closer to 1*10^80, so i guess you could use googol to describe the volume of the universe in nanometers, but what about googolplex. from all i've heard about it, there isnt ehough particles in the unverse to write a googolplex, so could it be just a little less or equal to infinity? just a thought i thought i'd share... alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infamous Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 Just a thought that strained through, but is it possible that a googolplex is almost infinity? now, let me think through this one... a googol is 1*10^100 yet researchers assume that the total amount of atoms in the universe is closer to 1*10^80, so i guess you could use googol to describe the volume of the universe in nanometers, but what about googolplex. from all i've heard about it, there isnt ehough particles in the unverse to write a googolplex, so could it be just a little less or equal to infinity? just a thought i thought i'd share... alexInteresting thought alex. but I think that depends on how one defines infinity. If infinity means the total number of possible particles in the universe, that statement might be true. However, from what I understand, infinity cannot be defined as a number, no matter how many zeros follow the first digit. Any number, even with a string of zeros reaching from here to the other side of our universe would not describe infinity. Infinity is similiar to eternity, without end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAHD Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 Close enough ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C1ay Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 Far from it. For even a googolplex you could have x * googolplex for x = 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ...... to infinity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryo Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 is'nt infinity just an idea that there is such a thing ? the illusion/dellusion of the human 'mind' is its endless ability to measure....thus creating the illusion of some other reality besides the one right in front of your senses. 'Maya' i think is the common phrase..'"ma" literally meaning 'to measure' ( a seamingly different world is created in this question/answer/measurement that the human brain is so very good at) there are 2 different worlds...one realative to the senses ...one unreal...realative to the ego and immagination ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Mind Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 On topic for the first half... Not sure where ya went with the rest though... In response to alex, infamous is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Cobon Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 Lets see...Definition of Googolplex (from http://www.thefreedictionary.com/googolplex)Noun The number 10 raised to the power googol, written out as the numeral 1 followed by 10100 zeros Defintion of googol (ditto resource)Noun The number 10 raised to the power 10100, written out as the numeral 1 followed by 100 zeros. Defintition of infinite (ditto resource)n. pl. in·fin·i·ties 1. The quality or condition of being infinite.2. Unbounded space, time, or quantity.3. An indefinitely large number or amount.4. Mathematics The limit that a function is said to approach at x = a when (x) is larger than any preassigned number for all x sufficiently near a.5. a. A range in relation to an optical system, such as a camera lens, representing distances great enough that light rays reflected from objects within the range may be regarded as parallel.b. A distance setting, as on a camera, beyond which the entire field is in focus Let see... 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000While this is a extremly large number it is not infinite by the basic fact that it does not expand into infinity, like pi or i (Squareroot of -1) If I am missing something please tell me, seeing that I am only begining Pre Cal in two days! ;) P.S. How do I show powers with this interface? Should I just draw an image of the variable and load it like a picture? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erasmus00 Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 P.S. How do I show powers with this interface? Should I just draw an image of the variable and load it like a picture? Generally 10 to the x would be 10^x. The carrot is the "raise to the power of" operator. -Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAHD Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 P.S. How do I show powers with this interface? Should I just draw an image of the variable and load it like a picture? We're working on a program to show standard math symbols, but it's not et operational. You can write powers the old fasioned way though like 3.14*10^100 means 'three point one four times ten to the power of one hundred' or 3140 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinewave Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 Oh brother, … why is it people can't grasp that infinity is not quantifiable, as it has no limit whatever, … but quantity is limit imposed by the thinker? So the thinker thinks it can grapple with an describe infinity? Phft! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qfwfq Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 C1ay is definitely right. 10^(10^100) is a huge but finite number. Infinity is not a number, it is a limit. How about defining flump as 10^(10^(10^100)), and a klurrr as 10^flump, and plork as 10^flump? And pkloogwhiff as klurr raised to the power plork? :hihi: We're still nowhere "near" infinity! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Cobon Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 Why can't people grasp an infinity for at face value? Who knows. Is it ingrained in our culture, through centuries and millinea of people not being devloped enough to scientifically and mathematicaly to understand even such ideas as pi. Or maybe it is hardwired into the brain, like the way children react toward certain large creatures -- the lion when it is outside its cage for example. Who truly knows, but back on the topic here - this topic is about a mathematical theory, not an pschology exhibit, good point tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Mind Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 Okay this thread is going in circles... In response to the title of the thread "Is googolplex almost infinity?" the answer is an irrefutable and undeniable NO. You can all stop bantering and debating now ;). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Mind Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 We're still nowhere "near" infinity!And actually, we are always nowhere near infinity ;). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffy Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 Accepted Answer: Infinity is infinitely larger than Googolplex.... Innumerantly,Buffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexander Posted August 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 if infinity is so large that we cant express it by any of our means, how can a googolplex not be close to infinity if you can not possibly ever express it. I mean yes we call it a googolplex and it is 10^(10^100) (oh Ghad i wish the latex hack will get back in development soon, i just dont have the time for securing and improving my alpha engine...) but thats an equation, i can express infiity in a similar fasion with 1/0. yet i could never reach the end of infinity if i started trying to write it and will go untill all material is depleeted, but if googolplex has those very same properties, its got to almost be infinity. its like 2 sticks, one infinitely long an the other one so long that it does not fit in the universe, to us as observers they both look pretty darn infinite... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Mind Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 if infinity is so large that we cant express it by any of our means, how can a googolplex not be close to infinity if you can not possibly ever express it. I mean yes we call it a googolplex and it is 10^(10^100) (oh Ghad i wish the latex hack will get back in development soon, i just dont have the time for securing and improving my alpha engine...) but thats an equation, i can express infiity in a similar fasion with 1/0. yet i could never reach the end of infinity if i started trying to write it and will go untill all material is depleeted, but if googolplex has those very same properties, its got to almost be infinity. its like 2 sticks, one infinitely long an the other one so long that it does not fit in the universe, to us as observers they both look pretty darn infinite...Spelled "fashion" wrong again ;). That is a good point, but I think that debate belongs in the Philosophy of Science Forum. Well, here is my take on it.... Googolplex- So large all matter in the Universe cannot be used to express it... I don't mean written out, either, because you can write out infinity as well... 1/0. Infinity- So large all space in the Universe cannot be used to contain it... That better? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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