Racoon Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 I voted for Obama, and I can live with that.But here is an interesting new Documentary from Alex Jones."The Obama Deception" Watch it when you can, and formulate your own conclussions. :) The Obama Deception Full Length http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7535755025025800195&hl=en (also readily available on YouTube) sanctus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racoon Posted April 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 It starts getting really good around minute 40 if you want to trim time. :shrug: :) ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wufwugy Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 Conspiracy theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 Damn, give Obama a chance, hell the honey moon isn't over yet. It took several months before we knew what a jack *** Bush was and we reelected him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedars Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Well I watched it. All of it. They really could have shortened it to about 40-50 mins by skipping over the vaguely defined 'conspiracy' of the bilkenwhatever group. I have no doubt rich people conspire to get richer. Hell I am poor and conspire to get richer. All gangsters have pacts, and you always get someone else to do the dirty work. They did point out the flip flop of Obama on many campaign promises, which have been very troubling. Troop withdrawl. Renegotiation of NAFTA/GATT. All those lobbiest apointments, all those wall street, fed reserve people, carry overs from the bush admin placed into admin positions. So much for 'real change'. But there was also some misleading things going on. I am pretty sure the footage they showed in reference to HR 645 was of INS detention centers, whos construction was approved under Bush. It sure couldnt be footage of the HR645 stuff, being as that bill has been referred to another committee (as of mar 20 or so). And while one part (4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security, seems to be very vague, the rest of it seems to be an evacuation center. Our goofy gov Pawlenty spent a bunch of money remodeling a closed Nat. Guard base (in bemidji of all dumb *** locations) and offered that to Katrina people. H.R. 645: National Emergency Centers Establishment Act (GovTrack.us)And the nat. service plan is here (well at least one of the bills referenced in the film):GovTrack: H.R. 1153: Text of Legislation, Introduced in House While the film compared the above bill to the hitler youth, as a former government employee, I wish more people had the experience of dealing with taxpayers on the telephone, as they try to order gov employees around with the tired line of "I pay your wages, you work for me" when they are trying to get out of paying a fine, paying for a license, or following some rule/requirement. I couldnt tell them how to break the law while I am on the job. No doubt these same scumbags would roll me over if something went wrong. Meet me for a beer out of the office and call me deepthroat... sheesh. I have no idea what obama is up to. I strongly disagreed with the bailout parts one, two and three. I think his talk of creating jobs will not produce. Temp jobs. I have no idea why he is planning on going forward with these bases stretched across europe, talk about dealing with some shady characters. I really think if this admin/democratic congress isnt careful, it will be 25 years before they get elected into a majority position again. Its like they have no idea why there have been so many republican majorities elected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddyzen Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 This sir. is bupkis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theory5 Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 I was only able to watch the first 5 minutes of it, but I agree that it is really to early to find out who obama really is. He has to deal with all the crap bush started, he must find ways to shut them down, deal with the financial crisis, work on taking troops out of Iraq (if he is going to) and lots more. I say we wont see who he really is till he gets rid of the bush administration crap and starts his own stuff. I do not agree with the bailouts. This movie seems more propaganda-like than actually being informative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 I was only able to watch the first 5 minutes of it, but I agree that it is really to early to find out who obama really is. He has to deal with all the crap bush started, he must find ways to shut them down, deal with the financial crisis, work on taking troops out of Iraq (if he is going to) and lots more. I say we wont see who he really is till he gets rid of the bush administration crap and starts his own stuff. I do not agree with the bailouts. This movie seems more propaganda-like than actually being informative.Yes of course.;) I don't need to wait to see “ who he is “ his 48 and I can look up his bio and see who he is just as I looked at GWB when he ran for president and knew what was coming. He has no secret agenda for world dominance . One thing for certain he understands this position in history,... if he can pull this country out of this mess we are in, it could mark a turning point for how government operates, this has the real players of the shadow government concerned.How well he will do as president depends on how much support he can garner from the public. The intent of this doc is to spread doubt and fear nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriminal99 Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 The only difference between a conspiracy theory and a legitimate claim or argument against a corrupt group of individuals is the weakness of character of the person making the complaint. Conspirators aren't evil masterminds, they are just emotionally immature and ignorant people who have for some reason amassed some degree of influence. They are probably dumb enough to believe that their actions are justified. If conspiracy theorists took on an educating tone instead of the melodramatic tone they do people would take them more seriously. Most cases of corruption can just be put in terms of "Tribal morality" in which people define whatever their immediate social network does or thinks as "right" and whatever goes against that as "wrong". The tribal moralists still try to justify their behavior with metaphor ridden specious arguments, but their behavior clearly demonstates hypocrisy relative to any belief set other than tribal morality. Thunderbird 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemit Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Damn, give Obama a chance, hell the honey moon isn't over yet. It took several months before we knew what a jack *** Bush was and we reelected him! You have to remember that Bush was elected by five Justices and one Florida Secretary of State. A majority of us knew he was a jackass from the beginning. The level of fear-mongering that's now afoot in the U.S. should have been expected by those of us who've been involved in Civil Rights, but has kind of shocked me. I guess we need to remember that a failing movement will almost by definition become more violent as it becomes more marginalized. It's sort of a combination of a temper tantrum and death throes. I think we're seeing that now. I hope it doesn't last very long, because more lives will be lost. --lemit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemit Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 I voted for Obama, and I can live with that.But here is an interesting new Documentary from Alex Jones."The Obama Deception" Watch it when you can, and formulate your own conclusions. I've written and deleted at least a thousand words about that stupid video--that extremely stupid video. My conclusion? Anybody who takes that video seriously has more problems than I'd care to deal with. --lemit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddog Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Like Cedars, I watched it, all of it. I was not impressed. I may have my own reservationsabout Obama. Yes, I did vote for him as well. Best candidate at the time as far as I couldsee available. I will look into the "Bilberger Group" <???> I remember all the hoopla aboutthe Plebian Socialists, the Illuminatti, the Tri-Lateral Commision, etc. All the symbolism onour Dollar bills... I have checked into this Quasi-Organization (acronym SPP). It concernsme that Obama may be supporting furthering SPP. We shall see. Hmmm.... :shrug: ;) :eek: maddog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriminal99 Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 I watched part of the video and turned it off. I believe some of the things in it, but the people making the video are definitely not my style. Hiding in a hotel room whispering about speculation? Get in the vents and record the actual meeting, or bust in the front door demanding to know what is going on, or contact the justice department or something other than acting like 8 year olds. As for Obama... I got the impression that he had some character attributes that I liked from listening to his various speeches. But the guy is clearly doesn't understand economics and is part of a dangerous america-wrecking communist movement. I am glad we are not arresting people for suspected communist ties anymore but for god sakes DON'T LET ONE BECOME PRESIDENT. And if you do, don't let him meddle in the economy enough to cause serious damage. You don't fund failing businesses. You don't reward dishonesty. You don't worry about unused resources that the free market has yet to reuse in the most efficient manner (and not some convaluted manner that a small minded communist could think of). You don't hyperinflate the economy devaluing all the savings of the people who were intelligent enough to amass that wealth in the first place (and therefore are well equipped to make use of it), and put it in the hands of morons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jway Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Watch it when you can, and formulate your own conclussions. :) Where have I heard this before? Oh yeah,"We report, you decide." (Right after we've spun the facts and told you what 'sane' people care about and what doesn't really matter.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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