Only one God created this entire Universe!!!

[dattaswami]

Only one God created this entire Universe!!!

 

Hindus say that Brahman is the creator, Muslims say

That Allah is creator, Christians say that the creator is

Jehovah, all say that the creation is this entire world.

If Hindus say that Brahman created India, and if

Muslims say that Allah created Arabian countries and

If Christians say that Jehovah created the western countries,

The problem is solved, there can be three Gods together,

Who have created the three parts of the earth separately.

 

But this is not so, each religion says that their God only

Created the entire world, unfortunately there is one world!

One world only! Come on, all of you sit together here

And give me the final conclusion after debate, otherwise,

The scientists are laughing on all of you! Shame to all!

 

They criticize that these religions do not have even

The basic logic, which is the fundamental common sense.

Because of you, the greatest God is also mocked by them

They say that the religions are rigid conservatisms!

Even a small boy is putting this question to all of you.

 

Stop all your discourses and first answer this question.

If you want to say that God created the entire world,

You have to accept that there is one God only always

And that His names are all the above three names.

 

We see in the world a single person having three names.

If there is one God, He only created this entire world.

All the human beings are invariably His children only.

No Father is partial to a single child and therefore

He must have preached the same knowledge to all

In different languages and in different methodologies

To different levels, this is Universal Spirituality.

 

At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

 

Anil Antony

 

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[Queso]

yeah totally dude

[dattaswami]

yeah totally dude

 

I want to bring the world peace by bringing the brotherly-hood among the religions. Unless this is brought, the brotherly-hood among the followers of various religions will not come. Religion is only the external plastic cover. Spiritualism is the same material packed in different religions. Whatever may be the color of the external plastic cover, the internal metallic wire and current are one and the same in all the wires. Whatever may be the color of the plastic cover, every wire will move the fan since the same current is passing in all the wires. For the sake of money, one man is quarreling with another man without recognizing the same soul that is present in all the human beings.

 

Similarly one country is fighting with another country due to the difference in the religions without recognizing the same spiritual current that exists in all the religions. If you want to convey the greatness of spiritualism present in your religion, you must expose the common points between your religion and the other religion. Then the person of other religion will become your friend. After that you expose the greatness of spiritualism in your religion. Then he will understand and appreciate your religion. But if you deeply analyze, the same spiritualism to the same depth is present in all the religions.

 

The Lord is only one and came to different countries and taught the same syllabus in different languages. Religion is only the external culture of dress, food habits, language etc.; Spiritualism is the subject related to one God who created this entire universe.

 

At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

 

Anil Antony

 

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[ronthepon]

Of course.

 

The key to eradicating the evils you described is education, and spreading knowledge.

 

Oh, and scientists don't bother with religious disharmony in the west anymore... That's a problem with our country that needs to be resolved. And our politics has got a lot to do with it...

[Panjandrum]

This is true in Euroland, but I belive it is becoming less true in america, where religious conservatives seem to be making some progress towards reversing the enlightenment.

[ronthepon]

Who told you I was talking about euroland? Its INDIA.

 

Now that is a real place where the problems of this kind really are.

 

cabal of BJP extremists

[dattaswami]

Who told you I was talking about euroland? Its INDIA.

 

Now that is a real place where the problems of this kind really are.

World Peace & Removal Of Terrorism

 

There are two route causes for the entire chaos and terrorism in this world. One is the thirst for earning money and the other is the religious fanatic. Due to money, people are quarreling. Whereas due to religion, countries are quarreling. Unless these two route causes are eradicated we cannot achieve world peace. The tree will not die by cutting leaves and branches. It dies only by cutting its roots. There is no use in earning the extra money. Due to excess money, quarrels, mental worries and several other problems arise. Finally, it ends in loss only and not in any profit. You have to leave all this extra money here only and quit this world alone. Your issues may lose that money given by you. Such sinful extra money brings problems not only to you but also to your children. Neither yourself nor your children will be happy and peaceful. This entire world is the property of God and take whatever is required from it. This is said in Gita, (“Yavanartha….”).

 

In these days, buffet system is followed during feasts. In this system, large vessels contain various food items and people take food from these vessels according to their requirement. Similarly, God created this entire world and you can take the wealth from it according to your requirement. People are not following the same system when they are taking wealth from this world. The peculiarity is that most rich people follow this buffet system in the feasts but do not follow the same when it comes to earning the money. ‘Esavasya Upanishad’ says that one should return back this extra money to the Lord. Otherwise, the Lord will give the troubles.

 

In buffet system, if one takes extra food in his plate by over ambition and ignorance for a moment, he returns back immediately before starting eating. Veda says that you must return back the extra money for the God’s work if taken by ignorance. In the buffet system if you eat the extra food, you will suffer from diseases. Similarly, if you enjoy the extra money, God will punish you in several ways.

 

In this world, people belonging to any religion think that their religion only is the true religion. They think that the God of their religion can alone give the salvation and the worship of that God should be according to their religion only. They also condemn other religions and invite people to convert people into their religion. They do lot of work to establish their religion only in the entire world which shows their ambition. It is just like Alexander’s ambition to make the entire world his kingdom. Alexander wanted to extend his kingdom. But, even he returned back after fighting with Porus (Purushotama) on seeing the loss of life in the battle. But, the ambition of religious fanatics is not subsided on seeing any amount of loss of life. Religion is considered to be backed with spiritual knowledge and the religious people are expected to be free from ambition. We can excuse ambition of any ignorant person like Alexander.

 

The heart of a religious fanatic will not change by any amount of kindness or love expressed in the appeals. Such appeals can change only the heart and the change in the heart is always temporary. Change in the intelligence brought by knowledge based on logic is always real and permanent. Intelligence (Buddhi) is considered to be the driver of this body, which is like a chariot running by the senses, which are like the horses. If the driver is convinced, the entire chariot along with the horses is in the correct path. The terrorist will not change by love or kindness shown to him. He becomes the terrorist due to the wrong knowledge that enters his brain. He was convinced by that knowledge. That knowledge can be changed only by the right knowledge. A diamond can only be cut by another diamond. Similarly, one type of knowledge can only be replaced by another type of knowledge. Then only, he will be convinced and changed forever.

 

So far, the trials made to change the terrorist were beating around the bush and therefore, they did not have much effect. Today, SRI GURU DATTA is giving the right knowledge to remove the religious conservatism.

 

At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

 

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[arkain101]

Here is the problem analogy summeriztion for you topic.

 

Three spears can not all hit the exact same spot at the exact same time of a bullseye on a target!

 

There will always be collisions!

 

How do you get everyone to hit the bullseye at the same time? You get all 3 throwers to hold the same spear!

[dattaswami]

Here is the problem analogy summeriztion for you topic.

 

Three spears can not all hit the exact same spot at the exact same time of a bullseye on a target!

 

There will always be collisions!

 

How do you get everyone to hit the bullseye at the same time? You get all 3 throwers to hold the same spear!

 

The direction from God is always true. But then how to approach the formless God? If you ask something to God, He will not reply from the sky. If you approach God in a form, it must be through the human form only because only a human form can reply. But in which human form is God present? God is present in a particular human form. Even some human beings, in whom God is not present, are claiming that they are God. The actual human incarnation sometimes keeps silent. Sometimes He says that He is God and sometimes says that He is not God.

 

Arjuna asked Krishna for direction. Now from his point of view, Krishna may or may not be God. Therefore, even though Krishna was preaching about the direction, Arjuna did not believe blindly. He asked questions at every stage and analysed the direction given by Krishna. Taking the benefit of the doubt, he considered Krishna as only a human being and discussed with Him at length and in depth. Even after seeing the vision of Viswaroopam, he continued the discussions for a long time. This means he did not give any value to the miraculous vision. Even demons can give visions to others. Ravana showed a vision to Rama in which he appeared to be killing Sita. Rama believed and wept and wanted to stop the war. But Vibhishana told Him that the vision was false and was created by the demon Ravana. Therefore, one should not decide based on the visions seen by the eyes alone. Satan showed a vision to Jesus in which he offered the entire world to Jesus. One should not believe the mind with emotion. Sometimes the mind is also affected by the tricks of Satan. When Rama went to catch the golden deer, Sita heard the voice of Rama crying for help. Sita decided that Rama was in danger. But Lakshmana argued that Rama can never be in danger.

 

Finally Sita was proved wrong and Lakshmana was correct. Therefore, the emotional mind will mislead but the logical and analytical knowledge of the brain will not. Hanuman thought of committing suicide when Sita was not found in Lanka. But He analysed and dropped the idea. Therefore, logical and analytical knowledge and discussion can alone give the correct direction. In the beginning of the Gita, Krishna told Arjuna “Dadami Buddhiyogam Te…” which means that only by logical analysis of the brain, can God be achieved. After achieving God, logic must be closed and the heart must be opened. Shankara also said “Jnanaadeva Tu Kaivalyam….”, which means that only through divine knowledge can one achieve God. After achieving God, devotion and service will come. One cannot achieve God through devotion, because unless you recognize the correct form of God, how can you devote yourself to that form? You must select one girl through analysis and fix her as your wife and then only love and serve her. How can you fix the best girl without analysis?

 

At the time of Jesus, there were priests who always thought that old is gold and past is the last word. They hated the present. They had no logic. When they arrested Jesus, there were no proper discussions and logical analysis about His case. When there were no logical discussions, He was crucified based on simple emotional slogans. His death was not justified and therefore He rose and walked out. When the soldier was leaving finally, he pierced the stomach of Jesus with his weapon. Then blood came out. Blood will not come out from dead body. Jesus was alive and He was brought down by His disciples. Then He was kept in the cave. He knew the protection of His life. He walked into India and met the king Salivahana and talked with him. His conversation was recorded in ‘Bhavishaya Purana’ of Vyasa. This scripture speaks about the future. Vyasa wrote this long back.

 

The verse in scripture is “Eesha Putram Cha Mam Viddhi, Kumari Garbha Sambhavam, Mlecha Dharmasya Vaktaram…”, which means “ I am the son of the Father of heaven. I was born to an unmarried girl. I preached spirituality to the Mlechas”. [Mlechas, is a general term for the common ancestors of today’s Christians, Muslims and Jews]. Thus spoke Jesus to Salivahana. He stayed in India till He attained the age of eighty-five years and died in Kashmir. You can find the buried tomb of Jesus there even today. On the tomb it is written “Jesus” in the Hebrew language. Jesus disappeared from His home at the age of 16 years. He returned only at the age of 30 years.

 

He was crucified in His 32nd year. From the 16th year He was in the Himalayas in the association of several sages. He was a good Sanskrit scholar. He studied all the Hindu philosophy and this is the reason why the Christian and Hindu philosophies are almost similar in concepts. Krishna declared that He was God. Jesus declared that He and His Father were one and the same. Krishna said that He would come whenever there is a necessity. Jesus said that He would come again. Krishna said that He is the only ultimate goal. Jesus said that one could attain God through Him alone. All these are the same concepts.

[arkain101]

What I posted had nothing to do with god.

 

It had to do with everyone spearing their point at the same time. They collide in discussion and life because they are both trying to throw there OWN point at the SAME time.

 

They also think their point or spear is different than another spear. But they are the same. Their point of god like you said, is that they are so busy throwing a spear (a point in discussion) that they dont see from the perspective that they are holding the same point.

 

Unite in a point. Words are different. The point is creator of existence. they can all happily say their point when they hold the same point, hold the same spear...

 

maybe this makes it more complex lol.. I dont know.

[dattaswami]

What I posted had nothing to do with god.

 

It had to do with everyone spearing their point at the same time. They collide in discussion and life because they are both trying to throw there OWN point at the SAME time.

 

They also think their point or spear is different than another spear. But they are the same. Their point of god like you said, is that they are so busy throwing a spear (a point in discussion) that they dont see from the perspective that they are holding the same point.

 

Unite in a point. Words are different. The point is creator of existence. they can all happily say their point when they hold the same point, hold the same spear...

 

maybe this makes it more complex lol.. I dont know.

 

arkain101;

 

I appreciate your point, i would like to say something about the existence of God.

 

God alone knows God

 

Whenever you think about God, the thinking itself is a form made of awareness or mind, even though you claim that you are thinking about formless God. You can never think any thing, which is formless because your thinking itself is a form. The form may have some specific boundaries like a statue. The form may not have specific boundaries like air or water. But the air or water also has some regular or irregular boundaries since the air or water has certain limits. You call the space as formless object. But the space has some limitations somewhere and you do not perceive those limits. Such limits may not be perceived but certainly exist. Therefore, the concept of your formless object has some boundaries, which are either irregular or not perceived. When you think God as awareness (Chit), the awareness is mind, which is nervous energy. Energy is in the form of waves and thus cannot be formless. According to the special theory of relativity of Einstein, the space is also a form of energy because space exhibits the property of bending. In that case, the space also cannot be formless. Even if you consider the space as infinite vacuum, you are aware of the space. Such awareness itself means that space has become a form of awareness or mental energy. Therefore, strictly speaking there is no formless object in the creation. You are calling the object, which has either irregular or infinite boundaries, which are imagined, as formless. Since, such formless object also is a form in strict sense. Formless concept is impossible.

 

Therefore, whether you say that God created the space or God created the energy in the beginning, both statements mean the same because space is also a form of energy only. Veda said that Para Brahman created the space in the beginning (Atmana Akasah..). The Veda says again that Para Brahman created energy in the beginning (Tat Tejo..). Both the Vedic statements mean the same in terms of the latest concept of Science. However, let such space or energy be called as formless God in your language. Even to think such formless God, it becomes very very difficult for any ordinary human being. Even a scholar cannot maintain such concept in his mind for a long time. Even if you maintain such concept, such God is not the absolute God because absolute God is completely unimaginable as per Veda and Gita (Yasyaa matam…., Mamtu Veda Na…). God imagined as space or awareness (mental energy) is not the absolute the God, who is beyond space and awareness. Veda says that God created space. Veda says that God is beyond awareness. The creator is always beyond the creation. Even in the absence of the creation, the creator must exist. According to Brahma Sutras, God is the cause of this Universe as creator and is the material cause also. The pot maker is the creator of the pot. The mud is the material cause of the pot. Even in the absence of pot, the pot maker and the mud exist. Therefore, God existed even before the creation of the Universe.

 

The pot maker and mud exists even after the destruction of the pot. Similarly, after the destruction of the world also God must exist. Similarly God must exist before the creation of the space and after the dissolution of the space. You can never imagine the situation, which is before the creation or after dissolution of space. Your intelligence cannot cross the special dimensions and therefore cannot cross the concept of space. That means you can never imagine the God. Veda says that God alone knows God (Brahma vit Brahmaiva…).

 

Therefore, when you imagine God as the all-pervading space, such imagination itself is an item of creation only. Such imagination is only the incarnation of the God. When you imagine Him as space, God has entered the space and God is in the space. Similarly, if you imagine God as all pervading energy, you have imagined the energy only in which God is present. Therefore, you perceive God as space or inert energy or mental energy (awareness) and such form of God is only the incarnation of God in the form of space or inert energy or awareness. This means you can perceive only the incarnation of God and never the absolute God.

 

At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

 

Anil Antony

 

 

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[nigelgeorge]

your right only one god did create the whole universe but as im not allowed to tell you who that god is because it would make him the only true god i guess you will have to seek out another forum where your answer can be answered

peace peace

NG

[IDMclean]

To me I form my belief based in a number of concepts, i do not call myself by any well known name.

 

I am spiritual, I just don't have a name for what I am.

 

For me, god is. And god created the universe and all the little things that dwelt within, and god is the beginning and the end. God is everything and everything is God, in whole and in part. If you look down to the smallest part, a quark for instance, that is in entirety, God. if you look at the whole universe, that is in entirety, God.

 

I am god, and you are god and we are god. (I know what I speak is heresy in some belief structures, but it is what I believe.) In christianity it says you can not conceave of the mind of god, which is more or less true.

 

One can not grasp the concept of each and every grain of sand in the great scape that is the universe. However one may content themselves to what they can grasp and what they can know, and expierence. I may not know the name of the grain of sand upon alpha centauri prime, but I do know it's common name, and that is God.

 

I love this one poem,

 

Here I sit, the Mountain and I

Until, finally, only the Mountain remains.

 

It's so simple and it express so much.

[dattaswami]

What I posted had nothing to do with god.

 

It had to do with everyone spearing their point at the same time. They collide in discussion and life because they are both trying to throw there OWN point at the SAME time.

 

They also think their point or spear is different than another spear. But they are the same. Their point of god like you said, is that they are so busy throwing a spear (a point in discussion) that they dont see from the perspective that they are holding the same point.

 

Unite in a point. Words are different. The point is creator of existence. they can all happily say their point when they hold the same point, hold the same spear...

 

maybe this makes it more complex lol.. I dont know.

 

You are the cream of Christianity and Hinduism. In course of time the devotees of other religions will also join you and make this group a complete representative of Universal Spirituality. I wish that all of you retain the identification of your individual religions. Let this group be a chain of gems of different colours. Let not the other gems be coloured by white paint so that the whole chain can become a garland of only white gems. Let the pearls remain in the garland, which are white in colour. Let them not insist that the other gems also be coloured by white paint. A chain with different coloured gems looks more beautiful than a chain of mere pearls. The thread running through all these gems is Universal Spirituality. Religion is a gem with a particular colour. Spirituality is the thread that is holding all the different gems in the garland.

 

Christians are the followers of Christ. Buddhists are followers of Buddha. Janis are followers of Mahaveer Jain. Hindus are the followers of various forms of God. Muslims were the followers of all the prophets up to Mohammad. Thus, the word ‘Muslims’ is general just like the word Hindus. You cannot say that only the followers of Krishna are Hindus. Followers of Shiva are also Hindus. Later on the word Muslims was used specifically for the followers of Mohammad. Before the arrival of Christ and Mohammad all the non-Hindus were called as Muslims. In Sanskrit the word Muslims is represented by the word ‘Mlechcha’ which means all non-Hindus. Thus, in ancient times there were only two religions. One was Hinduism in India and the other was Mlechcha or Muslim out of India. Sage Vyasa wrote a scripture called ‘Bhavishyat Purana’ which mentions about the arrival of Christ to India after His crucifixion and His conversation with King Salivahana. Therefore, this point has the validity from scripture. The historical proof exists for the burial tomb of the Christ in Kashmir (India) even today. We cannot help if some conservative people like the well-frogs, deny this [a frog in a well thinks that his own well alone is the mighty ocean].

 

The word Brahman means the greatest. Any item, which is the greatest in a category, can be called as Brahman. An officer in a department is Brahman. The president of the country is Brahman. The officer is the greatest among the staff of the department. The president is greatest among all the citizens of the country. The word greatest or Brahman is common to both the officer and president. This does not mean that the officer and president are equal. You have to take the sense of the same word according to the context. Similarly the soul is greatest among all the items of creation. The soul can be called as Brahman. But God is greater than the soul. Therefore, God is the greatest among all the items whereas the soul is the greatest among the items of creation. Both God and soul can be called as Brahman. This does not mean that God is the soul. Similarly, a non-Hindu is called as a Muslim. The follower of Mohammad can be also called as Muslim. This does not mean that all the non-Hindus are followers of Mohammad.

 

When the body of Jesus was pierced by a spear, blood came out. This means that life was retained by the body of Jesus even after the crucifixion. This shows the yogic power of Lord Jesus. Jesus was in the Himalayas from 16th to 30th year of age. He did severe penance and was in the association of great sages in the caves of Himalayas. He attained all the yogic powers. He used the yogic power and retained His life. This is only the praise of Jesus and should not be misunderstood as a false crucifixion.

 

The word Brahman refers to Parabrahman or God pervading all the pure awareness. A very little part of the pure awareness in which God has not entered is like the mud used to prepare the pot. The rest of pure awareness pervaded by God is like the pot-maker. The pot is this universe. The Veda says that the pure awareness used for the creation is just like a ray of the sun (Padosya Visvaa Bhutaani). Sage Vidyaranya in his famous philosophical book called ‘Vedanta Panchadasi’ also mentions this same point. The part of the mind or the nervous energy, which is used for the conversion into a dream, is very very little. This spectator-part of the mental energy is huge compared to the mental energy that is converted into the dream. Due to the vast quantative difference between the spectator energy and the modified energy, the modification is almost nil compared to spectator. Thus, the spectator is real and the modification is almost unreal. This is the concept of Shankara of the unreality of the world. The word ‘Mithya’, used by Shankara does not mean completely unreal. It means almost unreal. A dream is almost unreal compared to the dreamer. A daydreamer will control the dream like God controlling the universe. A night-dreamer is controlled by the dream like the soul which is controlled by creation. This difference is made clear through these two examples.

 

If you see the difference between God and the soul, the word God indicates the Parabrahman or God associated with pure awareness. The word soul means only the pure awareness without Parabrahman. The quantity of pure awareness that is associated with Parabrahman is like the ocean. The quantity of pure awareness which is the soul is like a tiny water drop. The ocean is Mula Prakriti. The soul is the drop of the ocean. Even without the reference to God, there is a lot of quantitative difference between the Mula Prakriti (Ocean) and the soul (drop). Both these are qualitatively same. But once the Mula Prakriti is pervaded by Parabrahman, there will be a qualitative difference also. The ocean and the drop are quantitatively different but are qualitatively similar. Suppose the ocean is illuminated by a lot of energy and the drop is not at all illuminated. Now, the illuminated ocean is different quantitatively as well as qualitatively from the non-illuminated drop. There is no difference between Brahman and Ishwara. Brahman is the non-spectator. Ishwara is the spectator. When you are sitting in the house peacefully you are like Brahman. Suppose you are watching a movie on TV, you are like Ishwara. Brahman and Ishwara are essentially one and the same. The work of watching the creation is the only differential point, which is not an essential difference. Therefore, Ishwara and Jeeva (soul) are qualitatively and quantitatively different. This is the theory of Ramanuja and Madhva. If you take the water item alone [not considering the illumination aspect, given the above example], the ocean and drop are qualitatively one and the same. This is the monism of Shankara. The dualism of Ramanuja and Madhva arises only when the illuminating energy of the ocean and the quantity of water in the ocean are both considered.

 

The human incarnation is the illuminated drop of water [other souls are non-illuminated drops of water]. The energy that illuminates the ocean as well as the drop is beyond the spatial dimensions. Therefore, from the point of the energy, the quantitative difference between the ocean and the drop disappears. This means that the God present in the universe and the God present in the human incarnation are one and the same; both qualitatively and quantitatively. Due to the unimaginable power of this energy, even the quantative difference in terms of water between ocean and drop also disappears. Thus the Cosmic Ishwara and Lord Krishna are one and the same qualitatively and quantitatively in terms of God as well as in terms of the pure awareness. Therefore, the entire cosmos is present in the small body of Krishna. In every aspect the cosmic Ishwara and the human incarnation are exactly one and the same.

[Freddy]

My take on this thread is: Religion is Nonsense, while Science is Enlightenment!

[IDMclean]

I stretch my view of science and religion. See I think they are one and the same.

 

Like i said ALL is of god. This includes science.

 

I am propounder of Science, yes however. Science does not answer a number of important questions, that's not to say it never will only that it will take some time more for science to come up with the same answers.

 

Science Codifies. it gives way to Quantity and Quality, however it can't identify the soul, nor can it predict the out come of one's life, nor guide you along the righteous path.

 

I encourage people, rather than just becoming this or that religion, become a thinker and strive for enlightenment in ALL forms. The right path lies within the unification of the two, like one must walk a balance between good and evil, right and wrong, one must walk the path between Knowledge and wisdom.

 

To so easily toss one source of both knowledge and wisdom is to deny your self that source and all that it has to offer.

 

I strive to understand the mind of god, and in order for me to do that I must learn all that there is to know.

 

In my short time here on the Planet earth, amongst the peoples of the universe, I have found that happiness is not the only thing, that suffering is necessary, for if one did not understand the nature of pain, one will not understand the nature of pleasure.

 

This existence we dwell within has so much to offer, so many dualities to experience.

 

Science is a highly nutritious gruel, religion is a delicious fruit, philosophy is a ambrosia the drink to quench one's thirsts.

 

There are MANY paths to walk, and the best way as Quantum physics is to learn to walk as many as possible and then take the one which is right. It matters not if it is particle or wave, all that matters is the path.

 

I would not dare to rob you of your own free will, however I ask that you do not so lightly shuck off that which has developed over the millenniums. There is far more unknown to mankind, than known.

[dattaswami]

To me I form my belief based in a number of concepts, i do not call myself by any well known name.

 

I am spiritual, I just don't have a name for what I am.

For me, god is. And god created the universe and all the little things that dwelt within, and god is the beginning and the end. God is everything and everything is God, in whole and in part. If you look down to the smallest part, a quark for instance, that is in entirety, God. if you look at the whole universe, that is in entirety, God.

I am god, and you are god and we are god. (I know what I speak is heresy in some belief structures, but it is what I believe.) In christianity it says you can not conceave of the mind of god, which is more or less true.

 

One can not grasp the concept of each and every grain of sand in the great scape that is the universe. However one may content themselves to what they can grasp and what they can know, and expierence. I may not know the name of the grain of sand upon alpha centauri prime, but I do know it's common name, and that is God.

 

I love this one poem,

 

It's so simple and it express so much.

 

Is the Universe God?

 

 

God is unimaginable , uncomprehendable and beyond logic. Nobody can understand God. GOD created this universe for His entertainment, and all things in the world are His creation only, and doesnot contain God. Thus creator is above creation. If He is not separeate from the creation He cannot enjoy the entertainment. He should be separate from the creation to be able to get entertainment.

 

When you cannot perceive God in His original form and you can perceive God only through some medium of creation like space or energy or awareness, why not perceive God through the medium of matter also? Now if God exists in space, it means that God is exists in this universe. If God is present in the universe, the universe cannot be a separate object of entertainment to God. The Veda says that this universe is created for His entertainment (Ekaki Na ...). If you are present in the cinema and become the cinema by pervading all over the cinema, the cinema is not a separate object for you and therefore it cannot give entertainment to you. If you are the spectator of the cinema, you should be separate from the cinema.

 

You are the subject and the cinema is object, which is separate from you. If the subject and object are one and the same, there is no existence of the object at all. It means God did not create this universe. If the creation is absent, there is no entertainment to God. This leads to the inability of God in creating any object that is separate from Himself for His entertainment. Such inability makes God impotent and then God cannot be Omnipotent. Therefore, the separate existence of the universe in which God is not present, must be accepted to avoid all these contradictions.

 

Now the Veda says that God entered this universe (Tadevanu Pravisat…). But the Veda does not say that God entered the entire universe. God entered the Universe only through some limited form. Therefore, the entrance of God in to the universe is accepted. At the same time since God did not enter the entire universe, the universe exists as a separate object for His entertainment.

 

You may argue that God entered the entire universe as per a Vedic statement (Eesha vasyam idam…). But if you carefully analyze that statement, it also means that God enters this big universe only through a small form. The translation of that Vedic statement reveals the correct meaning like this: “In this large world, any small world can be pervaded over by the Lord entirely”. This is the true translation. The small world means the human body and the big world means this entire universe. This means that the Lord enters this big world through a small world, which is the human form. The human form alone can be called as a mini-world. The large world contains nine items, which are the inert five elements (earth, water, energy, air and space) and the four living items called as Antah karanams (mind, intelligence, self-awareness or egoism and the awareness which stores all the information).

 

All these nine items are common between this large world and the small human being. Therefore, the conclusion of the Veda is that God enters this large world through a small human form. This can be explained by common experience also. A spectator, who is seeing the cinema, wishes to take up a role in the cinema. Thus, he enters the cinema through a role and the cinema still entertains him. Therefore, the Gita also says that God enters this world only through a human form. The the Gita also says that God becomes a Jeeva or human form by entering such a human form (Jeeva Bhutah…). You have entered the role or the dress of a king in the drama, which means that you have become the king in the drama. For all the practical purposes you are the king in the drama. But you retain your identity as the actor in the role and therefore you have not become the king in the true sense.

 

The audience can treat you as the king but at the same time they are aware that you are not the real king. Similarly the devotees treat the human incarnation as God for all practical purposes. But whenever egoism and jealousy enter their minds, they can analyze and know that God is in the human form and therefore the human form is not really God. Neither has God become the human form nor has the human form become God. Such clarification will reduce their egoism and jealousy and their devotion can become again alive.

 

Therefore, God cannot enter the (entire) space because if God enters this space, He becomes one with the Universe and His entertainment is lost. Therefore the power of God is material cause of this world. The power is modified into this world as the mud is modified into the pot. Therefore, the formless God, you think, is only the power of God and not the original God. Space is only the modification of the power of God, which is like the mud. God is like the pot-maker who is not modified into the pot. In this example let us assume that the pot-maker created the mud and then made the pot from the mud.

 

While creating the mud, the Lord is the creator or designer as well as the material. But while creating the pot from the mud, God is only the pot-maker or designer. The pot-maker, while creating the mud, is not modified because only the power of the pot-maker is modified into mud. Therefore, the material cause for the mud is the power of the pot-maker and not the pot-maker directly. This is the concept of Dvaita (duality) of Madhva.

 

In the concept of Ramanuja, which is called as ‘Visishta Advaita’ (qualified monism), the pot is considered as an associated body of the pot-maker. Instead of the pot, you can take the example of the cloth. The cotton thread is the material cause of the cloth. The weaver is the creator of the cloth. The weaver has created the thread and the power of the weaver is modified into thread as explained above. The weaver is wearing the cloth made by him and this point alone (association of the creator with the creation) is the extra concept in this theory. The weaver treats the cloth wrapped on his body as another external body of his. The the Gita also says that your external gross body is like a shirt. Therefore, Ramanuja assumes this world as the body of God.

 

The Advaita scholars mocked at this concept due to their ignorance. They said that if God were associated with the world, the changes in the world would mean the changes in the body of God, which means that God is changed. This is absolute foolishness. When the body is compared to an associated shirt, the changes in the shirt cannot be equated to the changes in the person who is wearing it. If you take the body of a realized soul like Ramana Maharshi, He treated his body as his shirt. He separated himself from the body and limited himself to the soul. He observed the surgery of his body like a person, who is the spectator of his shirt being stitched by somebody. Thus if you take God as a realized soul, the changes in this universe cannot touch God, in spite of His association with the universe. To reject the mocking of the Advaita Scholars, Madhva avoided the example of the weaver in which the wrapped cloth is treated as another external body. He took the example of a pot so that the pot cannot cover the body of its creator like the cloth. Therefore, the pot cannot be treated as an external body of its creator like the cloth.

 

Shankara compared the world to an imagination or a daydream of a person. The person is not modified into the imagination. Only his mind or his mental energy (awareness) is modified into the imaginary world. This awareness (Chit or Para shakti or Mula Maya) is just like the cotton thread of a weaver or the mud of the pot maker. God created this awareness in the beginning and here also the power of God created the awareness, which is modified into the world. Thus just like the mud or the thread, the awareness is the material cause of the world. The power of God is the material cause of the awareness. Now the most important point comes. What is the difference between God and His power? Both God and His power are inexplicable and exist in the same state. Therefore, if the power is modified, we can say that God is also modified. In that case instead of the power of God, God directly becomes the material cause of awareness. The real point is that since God and His power are both inexplicable, the process of modification of the power of God into awareness also becomes inexplicable. In such a case you cannot use even the word ‘modification’ when you say that the power of God created the awareness.

 

Shankara called awareness itself as God and for Him God is the awareness-incarnation (Awareness in which God has entered). This awareness-incarnation alone is taken as the original God by all the Acharyaas and also the Brahma Sutras. If you go beyond awareness you cannot understand God and cannot preach to anybody about God. For such original God, no words can be used to describe. When you utter a word some thought comes to your mind, as the meaning of that word. The original God is beyond thought and therefore, any word fails to indicate Him. If such a God is preached, nobody will believe in the existence of such a God. People will say that such a God does not exist. That is why the Buddhists became atheists. Therefore, any preacher should say that the absolute God is the awareness-incarnation. It means that awareness is God.