Oh, go ahead and debate whatever you think is applicable. But don't suggest that we should exclude the debate on whether the two extremes exist or not, because that's allowing Trump and his ilk to avoid the facts. He skewed the facts when he said America would never be socialist and his low intelligence followers bought right into it.
It's the same old, same old, with the establishment always trying to make the people believe there's a commie under every bed. I think most of the people on this forum are better than that.
Capitalism is the answer and it's always been so, for both Canada and the US.
This topic encompasses just about everything in life if you go far enough down the rabit hole. That’s why I say social and economic politics are inextricably linked. And it just so happens that world events and societies are so complex that one cannot completely vote on all of their principles all the time. You have to look further ahead and see the bigger picture, and imagine the aftermath of the implementation of any given policy. That’s why I think rhetorical exercises and thought experiments are so useful, because not every argument or philosophy can be completely dealt with in purely syllogistic or axiomatic terms.
Also, I know you’re not from America, so I’m not going to tell you what is best for your country or your community, but please believe me when I say that the things you’ve said about Americans and about Trump are completely off point. With all due respect, my friend, you haven’t the slightest idea what you’re talking about when it comes to Americans or the POTUS. I promise you that.
Many of Trumps supporters are not the blind idiots they are painted as. They [the American public and working class] are simply tired of being the lowest of our government’s priorities. They finally have a president who acknowledges them and fights for them after decades of being undermined while our elected officials pursue social justice agendas. Trump is trying to serve their interests - i.e. by trying to secure our border and trying to rid our immigration system from the corruption that has been laden within it for so long, by trying to create policies that stop the effects of immigration and unfair trade from stealing our jobs and lowering our wages, and ultimately trying to reinstill some of the more classical conservative principles that used to make our society and economy prosporous, and give purpose and dignity into the lives of the people. These aren’t idealistic tropes like you’ve described them. They are very obvious goods that benefit societies.
We should have figured out by now that the welfare state, while mostly well-meaning, does not solve the core issue. It only allows communities to sink further into their depravity. What does solve the issue is removing the safety net and holding individuals accountable for their own lives and decisions. Unfortunately, we have had a string of elected officials who have fed into this victimhood narrative, have treated minorities like children who can’t help themselves, and have placed the blame and responsibility at the feet of the productive citizens. Trump is our breath of fresh air, because he actually sees what is wrong with this picture. He sees what we see.