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#1 inverse

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Posted 02 November 2016 - 11:01 AM

Hi,

I have a bit different personality. We considered to apply to harvard at first. but I thought that this university was wrong at one criterion.

"Recomendation letter". So,I  formally sent them an e-mail that was saying I cancelled all consideration across this univrsity.

it seems like a bit rude or strange ,but not really. I believe I do not need themself. I only need economic support. however I would leave from turkey anymore.

but do not know what to do. I am able to write articles but when I thought my qualifications and goals then thought that "patenting" was better at all. but economic condtions always prevent me. What to do? there exist some patentable projects and I do not know what to do exactly. I am sure at two points 1) I have creative personality 2) I do not need someone to tell me for learning. I am also hardworking and have ability to learn by myself.



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Posted 02 November 2016 - 11:54 AM

Hi, I am able to write articles but when I thought my qualifications and goals then thought that "patenting" was better at all. but economic condtions always prevent me. What to do? there exist some patentable projects and I do not know what to do exactly. I am sure at two points 1) I have creative personality 2) I do not need someone to tell me for learning. I am also hardworking and have ability to learn by myself.

If you want to patent stuff, then patent it.  A typical patent - drafting claims, doing the prior-art search, filing and manging office actions - costs between $5,000 and $15,000 to file a single instance (say, in the US only.)  Ask yourself why you want to first, though.  A patent all by itself is useless.



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Posted 06 November 2016 - 09:19 AM

If you want to patent stuff, then patent it.  A typical patent - drafting claims, doing the prior-art search, filing and manging office actions - costs between $5,000 and $15,000 to file a single instance (say, in the US only.)  Ask yourself why you want to first, though.  A patent all by itself is useless.

 

I want to patent to earn money. every university at U.S or Canada would me to provide them recommendation letter. While I will be able to provide them scientific researches ,I will not be able to provide them this.(and also do not want!/because,in my opinion it is irrational and particularly unethic) 

but I may do these : particularly structure programming for devices (means: we will be able to obtain new shapes for each of these devices via my projects/researches). 

however,I only need money. I do not want to be influenced by any universities' academician (that might give harm to my ability) I don't like traditional education system.And believe that I have ability to learn by my own (via studying on written materials(papers,theses,articles,textbooks..etc)

but in this stage ,lack of money prevents almost all of my demands :(. I believed if I be able to hold patent,then it will provide me to earn money.



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Posted 06 November 2016 - 09:22 AM

I wrote that qualifications about patent. I already can write articles. mines are always will be novel. but..it seems if I be willing to write so advanced articles,I will need laboratories..and this does not seem possible at least for a while. because I do not expect anymore to be at any university. I do not want anyone to touch/influence me.These classical/traditional approaches are unlovely for me. 



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Posted 10 November 2016 - 09:28 AM

I wrote that qualifications about patent. I already can write articles. mines are always will be novel. but..it seems if I be willing to write so advanced articles,I will need laboratories..and this does not seem possible at least for a while. because I do not expect anymore to be at any university. I do not want anyone to touch/influence me.These classical/traditional approaches are unlovely for me. 

You will need some help to write articles, or patent applications, in good English. Your English is just about understandable but it is really not good enough for any official document or description of your invention, whatever it may be.

 

Everybody is short of money. If you have a really good invention but no money, you may have to share your invention with someone with money, in order to obtain a patent and make a business out of it.

 

But whoever provides the money is gong to want to know (a) what the invention is and ( b ) how it can be translated into profitable business - unless he's either a fool or a philanthropist with money to burn. 

 

Good luck.


Edited by exchemist, 10 November 2016 - 09:30 AM.


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Posted 11 November 2016 - 04:52 PM

 

 

 If you have a really good invention but no money, you may have to share your invention with someone with money, in order to obtain a patent and make a business out of it.

 

But whoever provides the money is gong to want to know (a) what the invention is and ( b ) how it can be translated into profitable business - unless he's either a fool or a philanthropist with money to burn. 

 

Good luck. 

 

thanks very much!

yes,this is my belief. but could you explain please how should I do this.And because of strict economic matters I have done some faults

(anyone did not report it,but if I think that I am intelligent,then this should be correct.Also, I think it is not required them to report a matter :(

(I am understanding without report and it is not lovely,means just a problem))

and another matter: time & location & economy are problem for me. 

I do not know in how much time I can ensure the solution. :( :(


Edited by inverse, 11 November 2016 - 04:53 PM.


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Posted 16 November 2016 - 06:28 PM

I want to patent to earn money.

Unfortunately you need money to file a patent.

however,I only need money.

Everyone needs money.

I do not want to be influenced by any universities' academician (that might give harm to my ability) I don't like traditional education system.And believe that I have ability to learn by my own (via studying on written materials(papers,theses,articles,textbooks..etc)

Great!  Then do so.  Then apply for jobs (you'll probably have to start at a very low level position without education) and work your way up.  That way you will have enough money to get a patent filed.

but in this stage ,lack of money prevents almost all of my demands :(. I believed if I be able to hold patent,then it will provide me to earn money.

You believe incorrectly.  A patent is just a piece of paper that does not come with any money.  All it gives you is the right to sue someone else for using your idea (and suing someone ALSO requires money.)  At best you will be able to license your patent to someone else - but unless you are already a leader in your field, and can afford some legal help to work out such an arrangement (and to threaten to sue if they refuse) then that won't really be an option.



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Posted 17 November 2016 - 01:48 AM

thanks very much!

yes,this is my belief. but could you explain please how should I do this.And because of strict economic matters I have done some faults

(anyone did not report it,but if I think that I am intelligent,then this should be correct.Also, I think it is not required them to report a matter :(

(I am understanding without report and it is not lovely,means just a problem))

and another matter: time & location & economy are problem for me. 

I do not know in how much time I can ensure the solution. :( :(

This is now business advice, not science. 

 

In business, it is very common that there is someone with a creative business idea but no money. There are also people with money to invest, who do not have the creative ideas themselves, but look for investment opportunities. I think you have a couple of options. One is to just talk around with friends and try to find someone who might be interested. The other might be to spend a small amount of money on an initial consultation with a good patent agent. The agent may be able to help you draw up an outline description of your idea, which will be useful if you later on have to share it with an investor, and give you some preliminary advice as to whether it looks as if it may be patentable. (It is common for people to come up with things they think are original but which have in fact been thought of before, so it might be prudent to find out before you go too far with your plans.)

 

Sharing your idea with a patent agent will not invalidate your claim to a patent later on, but be careful you do not do anything that might constitute making your idea public in any way, as that can make a patent impossible to obtain. Again, a patent agent should be able to advise you on what you can disclose to a potential investor without falling into this trap.

 

I would expect such patent advice will cost you a few hundred dollars. 


Edited by exchemist, 17 November 2016 - 01:51 AM.


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 02:05 PM

sometimes I almost hate the life! :(

you do not know whom or with which associations I had been contacting.

one of them is harvard and another one is nature. 

While I had criticized and attributed oppositively to harvard I could not see good evident/reason to criticize nature.

all of their staffes behaved me politely. I had provided them patentable paper.

and my all of papers will high potential to be patentable.

one of them were about a solution for some patients (got a bad disease and still there exists no cure for them)

I had mailed to nature and said them that I could send them without wanting money.

I think I did not think any foolish/stupid idea, but almost everyone is blaming me :(

at that time I only thought to help people,they are patient have no cure for their miserable situation.

on the other hand,I can't understand and could not clarify any of these details

a) why although I said and provided some samples to such a good/strong associations,I cannot take any assistants.

why although I have innocent personality and such bright intentions with original proofs ,I am living such economic matters.

the life is quite strange. two points

 

1) already anyone did not help me,and as you see the two of them are not weak nor unsuccessful. I do not remark anything to such strong associations, I feel me boring. and it does not seem ethic. but they already do not want to help me I don't think that nature is poor journal. 

2) you and some friends who have PhD degree or who are student at PhD always advise me to hide that work. well,but ...

I feel me like a pinerous person whenever any scientist would converse with me and I interrupt the conversation via giving this reason

and one reasonable or meaningful query

probably anyone cannot predict how my life conditions are difficult .just asses this question seriously:

if I be died ,what will I do with these inventions?? or these days my eyes are being damaged/injured. I got a disease and cannot buy also a glass which doctor advised. and assess: what will I do with these invention if I lose my eyes?

Result: of course to commit suicide is meaningless and illogical. we should be patient.

but...in this stage I have to consider thi point: life is unscrupulous and strange ...   :( :(


Edited by inverse, 17 November 2016 - 02:06 PM.


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 04:05 PM

sometimes I almost hate the life! :(

you do not know whom or with which associations I had been contacting.

one of them is harvard and another one is nature. 

While I had criticized and attributed oppositively to harvard I could not see good evident/reason to criticize nature.

all of their staffes behaved me politely. I had provided them patentable paper.

and my all of papers will high potential to be patentable.

Then you cannot patent the concepts in that paper.  The moment you submit a paper to an open journal, it counts as a disclosure - and it is almost impossible to get a patent for something after a public disclosure.  Patents need to be filed BEFORE public disclosure.

one of them were about a solution for some patients (got a bad disease and still there exists no cure for them)

I had mailed to nature and said them that I could send them without wanting money.

I think I did not think any foolish/stupid idea, but almost everyone is blaming me :(

at that time I only thought to help people,they are patient have no cure for their miserable situation.

You are free to try to develop such a cure.  Be aware that it usually takes millions of dollars (and years of work) before such cures are legal to sell.

already anyone did not help me,and as you see the two of them are not weak nor unsuccessful. I do not remark anything to such strong associations, I feel me boring. and it does not seem ethic. but they already do not want to help me I don't think that nature is poor journal.

No, they are not.  But they may consider you a poor source.  They get lots of contributions; some are better than others, and they cannot accept them all.

you and some friends who have PhD degree or who are student at PhD always advise me to hide that work. well,but ...

I feel me like a pinerous person whenever any scientist would converse with me and I interrupt the conversation via giving this reason

and one reasonable or meaningful query

probably anyone cannot predict how my life conditions are difficult .just asses this question seriously:

if I be died ,what will I do with these inventions?? or these days my eyes are being damaged/injured. I got a disease and cannot buy also a glass which doctor advised. and assess: what will I do with these invention if I lose my eyes?

Tell someone else about it perhaps?



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Posted 20 November 2016 - 01:33 PM

hi many thanks to all friends up to now. but still I feel me worse than a tortoise :( :( :(

could someone let me know please,my studies would be various. 

I can only that I produce many things and intimately do not need anyone for thats. (also I do not want it..)

 

could someones let me know please,how should I contact COMPANIES and what they can offer to me?

 

please be informed that because of I thought harvard made me late for much time,I had mailed this university and said that I had cancelled all considerations! 

I already believe I do not need them. so sometimes I also use exclamations.(they missed a detail) so ...

however,it is certain that while nature is objective and strong association,I am sure that this association will not help me. thats why we have been contacting also with this association for around a year. but ...also nature nanotechnology would me to submit my paper but I refused. moreover,when I asked nature nanotechnology whether they support engineers with financial necessities,editorial assistant replied.  "no ,nature does not support engineers..." 

 

so,how to earn money via my projects/works.

 

Look my brief qualifications

 

1) creative and have ability to learn by  myself

2) I DO NOT WANT TO TEACH AT UNIVERSITIES (WORK AS AN ACADEMICIAN! ,that is not the thing that I am looking for. but that does not mean that I would not use academic contexts. in contrary that idea,I will commonly or always use!)

3) I need silence & clean & well temperatured room/home to create/produce and healthy feeds ,internet suitable computer and so on.

4) social: I am singing (compose & instrumental (instrumental is not bright now but composing is highly good. there exists many samples which I already did do)

5) I have entertaining personality. But,I do not enjoy someones who accept these descriptions as important parameter : "religion,nationalism,gender, economic status"

6) I did not work so much medicine but if I have laboratory options,I believe I can create some cures for medical science. but I would emphasise a point. I DO NOT WANT TO WORK AS AN ACADEMICIAN. I would use my times with researches. 

 

these days I am about start to learning chinese language. I know turkish as highly professional. English is not good. (intermediate) kurdish is my native language.

 

but still I have not had any economic option.. I do not know how to earn money honestly as everyone knows.presumably I might my faith if I be late more..

I am 27 years old.



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Posted 20 November 2016 - 03:46 PM

hi many thanks to all friends up to now. but still I feel me worse than a tortoise :( :( :(

could someone let me know please,my studies would be various. 

I can only that I produce many things and intimately do not need anyone for thats. (also I do not want it..)

 

could someones let me know please,how should I contact COMPANIES and what they can offer to me?

 

please be informed that because of I thought harvard made me late for much time,I had mailed this university and said that I had cancelled all considerations! 

I already believe I do not need them. so sometimes I also use exclamations.(they missed a detail) so ...

however,it is certain that while nature is objective and strong association,I am sure that this association will not help me. thats why we have been contacting also with this association for around a year. but ...also nature nanotechnology would me to submit my paper but I refused. moreover,when I asked nature nanotechnology whether they support engineers with financial necessities,editorial assistant replied.  "no ,nature does not support engineers..." 

 

so,how to earn money via my projects/works.

 

Look my brief qualifications

 

1) creative and have ability to learn by  myself

2) I DO NOT WANT TO TEACH AT UNIVERSITIES (WORK AS AN ACADEMICIAN! ,that is not the thing that I am looking for. but that does not mean that I would not use academic contexts. in contrary that idea,I will commonly or always use!)

3) I need silence & clean & well temperatured room/home to create/produce and healthy feeds ,internet suitable computer and so on.

4) social: I am singing (compose & instrumental (instrumental is not bright now but composing is highly good. there exists many samples which I already did do)

5) I have entertaining personality. But,I do not enjoy someones who accept these descriptions as important parameter : "religion,nationalism,gender, economic status"

6) I did not work so much medicine but if I have laboratory options,I believe I can create some cures for medical science. but I would emphasise a point. I DO NOT WANT TO WORK AS AN ACADEMICIAN. I would use my times with researches. 

 

these days I am about start to learning chinese language. I know turkish as highly professional. English is not good. (intermediate) kurdish is my native language.

 

but still I have not had any economic option.. I do not know how to earn money honestly as everyone knows.presumably I might my faith if I be late more..

I am 27 years old.

Well, modern life is complicated, I'm afraid, and one has to learn how to cope with it. 

 

It sounds to me as if you need to talk to more people in business or, if you are attending some form of education, to your tutors. You seem to me to be rather unrealistic in your ambitions, at the moment. But you have plenty of time if you are only 27. Time, and the energy of youth, are on your side!  



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Posted 21 November 2016 - 03:23 PM

it seems ...

I should do everything by myself.

yes,I criticize one association which is known as great.

but it would not be good to exaggrate in this way. it might be better to prove via publishing scientific article(s)

(meanwhile,yes I am 27. but anyone does not know how hard I am studying. physics -mathematics are already now easy wholly.

and to be young does not mean to waste the time. I have to study everytime already).

 

ok. thanks again. if there exists any else member,I will be glad to read ... 



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Posted 23 November 2016 - 06:51 AM

Have you considered trying crowdfunding?

 

I have no personal experience with it, and don’t know much about it, but apparently, it does work.

Some people have raised insane amounts of money to develop their ideas this way.

You can find crowdfunding sites on your own with a little research. I looked at Indiegogo site and it appears to be professionally run and they have a guide you can download.

 

But, that is all I know about it, and can’t make a recommendation, only a suggestion that you may want to look into it; you’ll have to figure out the rest on your own.



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Posted 23 November 2016 - 08:28 AM

Have you considered trying crowdfunding?

 

I have no personal experience with it, and don’t know much about it, but apparently, it does work.

Some people have raised insane amounts of money to develop their ideas this way.

You can find crowdfunding sites on your own with a little research. I looked at Indiegogo site and it appears to be professionally run and they have a guide you can download.

 

But, that is all I know about it, and can’t make a recommendation, only a suggestion that you may want to look into it; you’ll have to figure out the rest on your own.

 

hi,thanks for your message!

really with extreme probability I will not be able to gain money even if I take acceptance from nature's any journal which has wide or widest impact factor.

because at first I don't want to be affiliated with any university ! (I don't need someones to give me courses)

so, probably it would be better to achieve academic accomplishment rather than gaining money. this only means the exact noble of the worth. 

we contacted canadian's funding option. they explained that they were not closed for international applications. 

I will read your links and thanks very much for that.


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Posted 23 November 2016 - 10:20 AM

Hi,

I have a bit different personality. We considered to apply to harvard at first. but I thought that this university was wrong at one criterion.

"Recomendation letter". So,I  formally sent them an e-mail that was saying I cancelled all consideration across this univrsity.

it seems like a bit rude or strange ,but not really. I believe I do not need themself. I only need economic support. however I would leave from turkey anymore.

but do not know what to do. I am able to write articles but when I thought my qualifications and goals then thought that "patenting" was better at all. but economic condtions always prevent me. What to do? there exist some patentable projects and I do not know what to do exactly. I am sure at two points 1) I have creative personality 2) I do not need someone to tell me for learning. I am also hardworking and have ability to learn by myself.

If you want to apply to Harvard, you really should have a better mastery of this language.



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Posted 23 November 2016 - 11:25 AM

If you want to apply to Harvard, you really should have a better mastery of this language.

 

This thread looks remarkably like one on a different forum. Not only is the topic almost identical, the OP has a unique style of English which would identify him anywhere. To suggest his English is other than perfect would be a deep insult for which he will demand an apology in uppercase letters.