Earth Fusion Core; weather circulations

[HydrogenBond]

I would like to present some strong circumstantial evidence that suggests that the earth has a low level fusion core. If we look at weather, it is expressed via the clockwise spin of high pressure circulations and the counter clockwise spin of low pressure circulations. The high pressure circulations can be reasonably equated to the rotation of the earth, while the low pressure circulations go opposite.

 

The opposite spin allows the two weather circulation to be spin additive, thereby maximizing the speed at which potential is removed from the atmosphere. If low and high pressure both had the same spin, the pressure difference between high and low would still cause them to attract, but the same spin direction would cause them to repel, causing weather patterns, like hurricanes, to take much longer to expire.

 

The question becomes why don't low pressure circulations randomly spin in both directions, since the spin of the earth is providing potential for a clockwise spin? Or, what earth potential exists which assures that atmospheric water always takes the additive counterclosewise spin direction that lowers the atmospheric potential at the fastest rate?

 

The condensation of water can theoretically happen independant of the direction of circulation. While the earth's magnetic field is not strong enough to force low pressure to spin opposite to the strong potential set by the earth's rotation. Gravity shouldn't be very selective and should allow both spin directions. The only reasonable answer is a fusion core. The sun tries to steal the hydrogen on the surface by evaporating the water, while the earth's fusion core will retrive its hydrogen fuel reserves as fast as possible, via inducing the additive counterclosewise spin within low pressure water circulations

[Erasmus00]

The reason that air circulates one way around high pressure regions and another around low pressure regions has to do with the coriolis force (which occurs, as you say, because of the earth's rotation). Note the direction of circulation for each is different depending on wether you are in the Northern or Southern hemisphere.

 

Air always wants to travel from high pressure to low pressure regions. As the air tries to flow out of a high pressure region, the coriolis force pushes perpendicular to it. This creates a circular flow.

 

Air always wants to travel INward to low pressure regions, and the same coriolis force pushes on it, but because the air has changed direction, so has the the direction of the coriolis force. So we get a circular flow in the opposite sense.

 

It has nothing to do with the Earth's core.

-Will

[Turtle]

___I listened last night to Dr. J. Marvin Herndon on talk radio & he believes in a fusion core too. He says that Earth was compressed by a gas shell like the outer planets have, but the shell was blown away from Earth when the Sun first ignited.

___He then explains the tectonic plates as a result of the continued expansion of Earth as it rebounds from the gas induced compression.

___Here's his web page:

http://www.understandearth.com/

[Buffy]

I don't see any beef on that site: just "there's no direct evidence of convection of mantle (which isn't true: there's data to show magnetic and thermal hotspots moving beneath the plates), so it *must* be wrong. Now where have I heard that sort of argument before? :confused:

 

Fusion core's basic problem is that either there's enough pressure to really cause fusion which would turn our little orb into a gigantic hydrogen bomb which would not last for more than a millisecond or so, or its not dense enough to explain the earth's mass and momentum.... Of course all of the extant knowledge physics *could* be *completely wrong*. :singer:

 

Question Imbecility,

Buffy

[Qfwfq]

Yeah just take a look at trails of spent volcanoes behind active ones, resulting from the slow plate motion. Newfoundland came out of the Bay of Biscay, eastern American and Western African/European coastlines match quite well, even better if you study the less visible continental shelves. We see the subduction zones that chomp the crust up as it comes in. Everything fits... :confused:

[HydrogenBond]

The earth's magnetic field is currently assumed to stem from convection within the visco-plastic outer iron core of the earth. If convection can occur in this dense environment, why not the mantle?

 

The formation of a fusion core using the earth's current mass may not be possible. However, in earlier times the earth was much larger. If the sun stole most of its hydrogen fuel, what would be left is lower level fusion.

[Pyrotex]

...Question Imbecility...

Question Imbecility,

Interrogate it with hot irons,

Shove the Spanish Inquisition up its arse,

The imbecile only thinks it is wise,

Because it is so ignorant about

The abyssal depths of its own ignorance.

Of course, we have only ourselves to blame

For putting books in the hands of idiots.

:naughty: :umno: :umno:

[Pyrotex]

...formation of a fusion core using the earth's current mass may not be possible. However, in earlier times the earth was much larger. If the sun stole most of its hydrogen fuel, what would be left is lower level fusion.

What evidence is there that the Earth was much larger in earlier times? How early? How much? Fusion in stars doesn't begin to take place unless their mass is several times the mass of Jupiter. Earth was never as large as Jupiter.

 

Fusion is fusion. Having less hydrogen does not mean "lower level fusion". What do you mean by "lower level fusion", anyway? "Slow fusion"? To produce what? More heat? Our current understanding of the Earth's internal structure adequately explains the measurements of its heat.

 

How about neutrinos? Fusion produces neutrinos. We have several neutrino "telescopes" quite capable of detecting an excess of neutrinos from the Earth's core. They detect neutrinos from the sun's core that have passed all the way through the Earth. But nothing on neutrinos from the Earth.

 

From every angle, this all sounds bogus.

[HydrogenBond]

The neutrino telescope is an acrylic tank of heavy water that is placed under the ground. Neutrino show up as flashes in the water, which are then detected. This is not a directional piece of equipment. The working assumption is that only the sun is making the neutrinos so anything that appears is assumed to come from the sun. There is no way to shield the results from a (possible or not) fusion core within the earth. What they see could be coming from both the sun and the earth.

 

I just scanned through an article about day/night neutrino detections http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca/. At several several energy levels or flavors, more were found at night (maybe 2-3% more). Who knows.

[Pyrotex]

...What they see could be coming from both the sun and the earth.... Who knows.

Hmmm.

Hmmmmmm, he said.

 

Okay, I concede that point. You're right.

[Turtle]

Hmmm.

Hmmmmmm, he said.

 

Okay, I concede that point. You're right.

 

___Now we're rollin'! What about the good doctor's idea about decompression driving plate techtonics? Dr. Herndon seems to have some points on his site, saying:

Imagine reconstituting the Earth with all of its primordial light gases that were originally lost during the time the Solar System formed. You would thus be imagining a planet similar in mass to Jupiter, roughly 300 Earth-masses. What would the rock plus alloy Earth-kernel be like, surrounded by all that gaseous mass? Calculations show that it would be compressed to about 64% of its present diameter, as shown at right.[sic:diagram excluded] Its surface area would be quite similar to the surface area presently occupied by the continents. In other words, the Earth would be capable of having a uniform shell of continental matter covering its entire surface, just as first envisioned by Otto Hilgenberg.

http://www.understandearth.com/

:naughty: :umno: :umno: :hihi:

[Buffy]

Excepting that we can and do measure speeds of various waves (e.g. earthquakes!) through the middle of the earth and can measure bounces off the core and thereby measure the density of the mantle.

 

Its kinda cool to think about, but it really just flies in the face of so many inconvenient facts....

 

Hello, hello, hello,

Buffy

[Qfwfq]

Fusion produces neutrinos.

In all cases? I can understand that only when the neutron-proton count changes.

 

AFAIK, part of geothermal energy is due to radioactive decay and I wouldn't rule out the occasional µ-catalised fusion reaction. Presumably not many of them.

[Southtown]

I'll side with the slayer this time, for kicks. :naughty:

[Pyrotex]

___Now we're rollin'! What about the good doctor's idea about decompression driving plate techtonics? Dr. Herndon seems to have...

Dr. Herndon seems to have terminal brain lesions.

If the Earth started out at 300 times its current mass, where did it all go to? Did the mean ol' Sun steal it all???

 

I'm sorry, but this entire line of conjecture is for the birds. It disagrees with so many current facts, current observations, reality and working successful theories/explanations, that it leaks like a collander with the bottom blown out with a 12-gauge shotgun.

[Turtle]

Dr. Herndon seems to have terminal brain lesions.

If the Earth started out at 300 times its current mass, where did it all go to? Did the mean ol' Sun steal it all???

 

__In short yes, the Sun stole it. He seems to claim the extra mass was gas like the outer planets have, but when the Sun first ignited, it stripped away the gas leaving the rocky cores which then began (& continue) to rebound/expand.:naughty:

[CraigD]

Marvin Herndon and others’ hypothesis that the current Earth is the remaining rocky core of a gas giant planet is interesting, and, at first glance, reasonable. However, a cursory examination of it reveal at least 2 major disagreements with mainstream theory

• Timing. The sun is thought to have been fusing hydrogen for about 4,570,000,000 years old (source: Wikipedia article “Sun”). The oldest rocks on Earth are thought to be about 3,900,000,000 years old (source: Wikipedia article “Solar system”). For the Earth to have had a massive gas atmosphere that was blown away by the newly ignited sun requires it to be at least slightly older, not younger, than the sun
  
• Mass. The core of Jupiter is thought to be about 10 to 15 times as massive as the Earth (source: http://www.nineplanets.org/jupiter.html). This is too small to have gathered an atmosphere as massive as Jupiters, or substantially more massive than Earth’s current atmosphere
  

I’ve not had a chance to read Herndon and others’s attempted resolutions of these and other issues, but suspect that they’re not easy to resolve.