Kansas can now teach Intelligent Design

[rockytriton]

that sure makes sense, how about we teach them of the flying spaghetti monster so that we can figure out an alternative?

[Buffy]

that sure makes sense, how about we teach them of the flying spaghetti monster so that we can figure out an alternative?

That's actually my point. Once you open the box, you gotta let in the Scientologists, Moonies, Krishnas, and Flying Spaghetti Monsterites. And this is not speculation: these groups (especially the Scientology folks) already have organizations in place to promote their beliefs as soon as the dam breaks. The Scientologists have already tried this by getting the SF school system to pay them to teach drug education classes that was heavily based on certain odd-ball Scientology beliefs (they got thrown out once the ownership of the shell company was exposed).

 

Be careful what you wish for....

 

Cheers,

Buffy

[lindagarrette]

Isn't it up to the teachers to explain facts and fiction as they learned it in college? The school board can't tell them what to say in the classroom. Most educators I know understand science so they will uphold their own standards. All they have to do is present the alternatives as inconclusive.

[Biochemist]

An excellent book, "What's the Matter with Kansas?" by Thomas Frank tells how the political right manipulates the public. ...

Thanks goodness the political left doesn't manipulate the public.

 

:shrug:

[Biochemist]

Isn't it up to the teachers to explain facts and fiction as they learned it in college?

Apparently not if the teacher thinks that ID is reasonable.

[Biochemist]

...Science isn't political...

Re-read this thread and tell me again that science isn't political.

[lindagarrette]

Thanks goodness the political left doesn't manipulate the public.

 

:shrug:

An opposition party doesn't usually have that luxury. It's agenda is to expose the deceipt of the party in power.

[questor]

the agenda of any political party should be to improve the lot of the citizens who elected them and pay for their services. political fighting and lying for power does not accomplish this purpose.

[goku]

I am aware of that. But I am also aware of a recent survey which showed that most Americans (regardless of state) do not believe evolution to be true.

praise the lord! :shrug:

i was taught evolution in school, and for the most part i believed it. i didn't think about it much, i just kinda absorbed it like a dirty sponge :umno:

it wasn't untill after i graduated and started thinking about evolution that i realized it could not be possible.

[Boerseun]

praise the lord! :shrug:

i was taught evolution in school, and for the most part i believed it. i didn't think about it much, i just kinda absorbed it like a dirty sponge :umno:

it wasn't untill after i graduated and started thinking about evolution that i realized it could not be possible.

Gosh darn!

[goku]

Gosh darn!

it feels like, THERE'S A MULLET BEHIND ME! :hihi:

"don't tell my heart, my achey breakey heart"

billy ray cyrus, the master of mullets :shrug:

[Edge]

Am I the only one who thinks that Christianism is now more of a political party rather than just a religion?

[Stargazer]

ID is not science, there's no hypothesis. It's just a vacuous concept that some shady, evil groups want to introduce into public education to pave the way for creationism. They ignore the normal scientific method and goes right ahead, fooling uneducated people that it is science, and that it should be taught alongside evolution or instead of it.

 

As morbidly interesting as it would be to watch USA throw away science that is dangerous because it doesn't agree with fairytales, it would be tragic. Science is necessary for many reasons.

[questor]

if evolution cannot be proved by the scientific method, why should it be taught as science? evolution and ID should be taught together as theories about the beginning of the universe and the advent of life, giving current observational evidence in support of each.

[rockytriton]

questor, why would you want some public school teacher teaching religion to your kids? Some of them can barely teach math or history correctly, wouldn't you rather leave that to your church? That way they can teach whatever version of ID or creationism that you believe in. And leave the non-religion based theories to the public school system.

[questor]

i don't want an unqualified teacher teaching religion, i'm saying that ID and evolution could be taught in the same class, since neither has been scientifically proved. ID comprises much more than just religion.

[Stargazer]

if evolution cannot be proved by the scientific method,

What do you mean?

 

why should it be taught as science?

It's a scientific theory, that's why.

 

evolution and ID should be taught together as theories about the beginning of the universe and the advent of life, giving current observational evidence in support of each.

ID is not science. I've already mentioned a little why it's not science. It's a political movement to sidestep the scientific method in order to introduce pseudoscience and creationism into public education. This is not the way it should be done - not even if ID actually had any substance, which it really does not, especially not if it's not Biblical creationism. If it is, then it's wrong anyway.

 

Also, the theory of biological evolution does not deal with the beginng of the universe, or the origins of life.