President bush!

[Uncle Martin]

Gahd;

Don't forget war crimes and crimes against humanity. The rest of the world wants their retribution too. Bush's record on domestic affairs is worse than that of Hoover. Four more years of this guy and we'll all be living in "Bushvilles"; Google Hoovervilles for reference. His ability to alienate the rest of the world is rivalled only by Adolf Hitler. At least Hitler had Mussollini, Bush as managed to alienate even the Canadians. Well Bush has a friend in Blair so it's to close to call. He is an unprecedented disaster, I just hope enough people see that in November. Unfortunately, living in a state that typically votes republican 70% or more, my vote against him is moot. The electoral college has to go. We should all beallowed to vote electonically. If every vote actually counted more people would vote. Had that been the case,this guy and his father would have never made it to the White House.

[cookyman]

uncle martin. let me assure u that when i said that many Australians think that americans can be arogant i wasn't actually meaning to say that i thought that and yes i agree with u wen u say that ur politicians don't reflect the people of the comunity. but it was only an example when i said it in my earlier post i didn't acually mean it. sry bout any misunderstandings.

 

Cookyman

[Uncle Martin]

Cookyman,

 

I'm sure not the sensitive type, you need not worry about my feelings. I know how Americans are perceived by the world community and I don't blame them. Our politicians and mostly republican "captains of industry" are the bullies on the world playground. They lack any social skills and are incapable of interacting intelligently so they wield there weight using the only thing they do know, force and money. If they can't buy it they just simply beat you up and steal it. Nobody likes the bully on the block. If I were not an American and my only knowledge of us was the media and my perceptions of leaders like our Bush, I'd probably dislike the whole country too. The media doesn't spend much time telling the world about the 98% of us that just go to work everyday in an effort to just feed our families. Something that is, because of GWB, increasingly difficult to do.

 

I usually assume that the citizens of most other countries are very much the same. If we remove religion from the equation, doesn't everyone really want the same things? To make a living, feed, house and educate their children, and hopefully have a little spare time to go fishing. At present too many inequities exist, my generation has failed at forming a global society. Hopefully your generation will have better results. (I only assume you're younger than I am because few people are older.)

[Tim_Lou]

hmm....politicans come from regular citizens, what president did reflects the citizens of the country...

 

yes, many people are different from bush, but since hes one of us, so, at least, 5% of us are like bush....i guess.

 

i know that there is a firmly dislike about americans throughout the world. especially the asia area.

what is the cause of this hatred? why do americans always try to stir up things?

is it simply because of the nature of us? or the history of american? or?

[Uncle Martin]

Tim_lou,

 

Regular ordinary citizens are theoretically able to hold high level public office, but in modern times this just doesn't happen. It takes millions of dollars to try for a seat in the house of representatives, 10s of millions for a senate seat and 100s, YES 100s of millions of dollars just to run for president. Contrary to what is perceived by the rest of the world, the average working man doesn't make that much money in his whole lifetime. When we were both working, my wife and I considered $40,000 per year to be good money, but it wouldn't buy a 30 second television advertisement. So you see, only the very rich, greedy and power hungry attain these lofty positions. And I promise you, they do not think oract like the people they represent. PLEASE don't take their actions to represent the average citizen! They don't.

 

To answer your question, "what is the cause of this hatred?" I think my previous post deals with it from my point of view. Aren't you actually in a better position to answer that? In your opinion, what is the cause? Please tell me, I'd very much like to know.

[alexander]

Finally I've been able to log in and write a response. It's so frustrating to not be able to respond, but that's in the past, now my thoughts...

Well to say the least, I didn't think that Bush was a good president to begin with, and i told that to people 2 years ago, just the way that he handled things wes beluticrous to begin with, I, so to spealk, cried "Boo" when everyone cried "Yay".

In any case, I've only flipped through the responses, and didnt really concentarate on all of them, except for a few that i thought were great. Anyways, I noticed that most people blame him for his international policy, and the 2 wars that he persuaded US to go into. My question is: have you guys thought of what he's doing within the country? Take for example his "no child left behind" nonsense. What do you guys think of it?

And lastly, have you noticed, that a lot of big events in the news (bad ones mostly), like the highway bridge collapse in Colorado, are being tied to 9/11? Don't you think that through that Bush is trying to get support from people for the next election through the subconcious meanings of these messages, through people's emotions?

[Tormod]

Hi Alex, good to see you back inside! Thanks for letting me know you had problems logging in.

 

Tormod

[GAHD]

Originally posted by: alex

And lastly, have you noticed, that a lot of big events in the news (bad ones mostly), like the highway bridge collapse in Colorado, are being tied to 9/11? Don't you think that through that Bush is trying to get support from people for the next election through the subconcious meanings of these messages, through people's emotions?

 

Ooh I've noticed; I worked for Ipsos-Reid a while ago, and did many opinion polls in the U.S.(I hate how "American" makes me think U.S., unlike how European makes me think all of Europe and not British or German) I kept in touch with people that worked there after and not to long ago another survay was launched, in which most Amaericans responded that the war on Iraq was because it was directly linked to Osama/Afghanistan. Many thought that the power-outage not so long ago was terrorism, orcastrated by Osama and Saddam.

All in al the level of public ignorace is insane, the 'mad cow' incident in Alberta was thought to beterrorism by many...it honestly sickens me that so many could be directed to think that.

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: Uncle Martin

Alright,

I've given it some thought and agnostic atheist is the most accurate term. Thanks FT for pointing that out, I appreciate linguistic precision almost as much as you seem to. Sadly, I rarely achieve the level of precision I wish.

 

Neither do I. But the "A"theism issue is a personal mission on my part.

 

And reading further, you area right Tormod, this is way off topic. I will start a Bright one.

[Freethinker]

So Tormod, is that an actual picture of you?

[alexander]

Thanks Tormod, it feels good to be back. It is really frustrating to be able to read, but not to be able to answer the posts...

 

GHAD said:

I hate how "American" makes me think U.S., unlike how European makes me think all of Europe and not British or German

You know, the other thing that sickens me is that "Russian" makes people think of Siberia and Communism, seriously if people ever read something before declaring something as ridicule as that... Just to justify myself, Russia never converted to communism, yes the gov-t was Communist, but country itself never got beyond Socialism. And less then a 1/4 of russia lies on the Siberian plateau.....

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: Uncle Martin

Gahd;

Don't forget war crimes and crimes against humanity. The rest of the world wants their retribution too. Bush's record on domestic affairs is worse than that of Hoover. Four more years of this guy and we'll all be living in "Bushvilles";

The very (real) potential of another term of Bush is too scary to imagine.

We should all be allowed to vote electonically. If every vote actually counted more people would vote.

The two at this point are actually contradictory. It has been shown that the electronic voting machines that are out there are far less apt to provide am accurate vote count then the current system. And even worse, there will not be any paper trail to allow the vote to be verified.

 

In locations that the voting machines have been installed, the results have been nightmares. We find things like a particular brand of machine operating perfectly in white, conservative neighborhoods, while the same machines failed consistantly in poorer, typically black Democratic areas. Coincidence? Or the written statement from the Pres of Diabold, one of the more popular Electronic Voting maching suppliers, that he will do ANYTHING he can to make sucre Bush is re-elected.

 

The list goes on. Lack of security, voting machines being broken into by amature hackers in uncer 5 mins, changing the vote, and leaving no trail. Operating software designed to allow votes to be rejected or changed, without the voter knowing it. Heavy Demo areas winding up with a solid Republican win, contrary to exit polls.

 

See

 

University researchers delivered a serious blow to the current crop of electronic voting systems in an analysis of one such system's source code in which they concluded that a voter could cast unlimited ballots without detection.http://news.com.com/2100-1009_3-5054088.html

Missing Votes Break Florida Law!

(Follow this entire story here)

 

Broward County, Florida - January 6, 2004

In a Special Election for a vacated state House Seat, 134 voters’ votes were not counted. They went to the polls, they signed in, and they went to the DREs; but their votes were never counted....“The remaining 134 invalid ballots cannot be manually recounted because they were cast electronically on computerized voting machines and there is no written record of those votes.”

http://www.verifiedvoting.org/article.asp?id=997

 

In Georgia, where Diebold machines are used, a handful of voters found that when they pressed the screen to vote for one candidate, the machine registered a vote for the opponent. Technicians were called in and the problem was fixed, state officials have said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42085-2003Aug10.html

 

For a site dedicated to exposing the REAL threat that Bush could win REGARDLESS of the actual vote...

http://www.blackboxvoting.com/

[Tormod]

Originally posted by: Freethinker

So Tormod, is that an actual picture of you?

 

Yup.

 

Tormod

[Freethinker]

I had thought of posting my actual pict, but then no one would take me credibly! (Do they now?) lol

[Freethinker]

And who's the cute chick with the H hat?

[Uncle Martin]

Freethinker,

By electronically I meant via their home computers. This in conjuction with the abandonment of the electoral college, where each vote would count, could only increase the percentage of voters. Of course this could have negative repercussions; uneducated people voting on issues they don't understand is one that comes to mind.

[GAHD]

Originally posted by: Uncle Martin

Freethinker,

 

By electronically I meant via their home computers. This in conjuction with the abandonment of the electoral college, where each vote would count, could only increase the percentage of voters. Of course this could have negative repercussions; uneducated people voting on issues they don't understand is one that comes to mind.

 

In an ideal world, yes I'd love this, hell even in our current wold I'd love it. I know a few people who for $50 would tap in and allocate any un-cast ballots to some 3rd party. that'd be fun; some relative unknown getting the house