My Brand of Socialism

[Michaelangelica]

Most certainly! Here's another case in point:

Convincing these people is just an unimportant detail that the citizen's committees will work out though, I'm sure.

 

For when rich villains have need of poor ones, poor ones may make what price they will, :hihi:

Buffy

Buffy you have an amazing ability to sum up things in a pithy epigram

You shold either run for President or write verses for greeting cards ( That (last) is a JOKE You couldn't do worse than Hillary against a black man_) (Secretly knowing that most Yanks don't speak Australian:))

 

Are you sure you vote Republican?

[Buffy]

Are you sure you vote Republican?

No, you misunderstand. I *register* Republican, but I've rarely found one worth voting for in general elections, really only in a few odd local ones... I do try to direct the party in the right direction in primaries, although unfortunately when like this year there were nothing but wackos on the primary ballot I end up just picking the idiot with the *least* chance: this year it was Huckleberry....

 

My grandmother was a life-long Republican and big contributor to the party, but she stopped cold the day they added opposition to the ERA and support for the Right-to-Life Amendment to the party platform.

 

Not to engage in the pursuit of ideas is to live like ants instead of like men,

Buffy

[Thunderbird]

Not to engage in the pursuit of ideas is to live like ants instead of like men,

Buffy

One true measure of ones life is in the ratio between what we have decided,.. and what we have allowed others to decide for us.... Thunderbird.

[Buffy]

One true measure of ones life is in the ratio between what we have decided,.. and what we have allowed others to decide for us.....

And there you have it! :cup:

 

You have to allow a certain amount of time in which you are doing nothing in order to have things occur to you, to let your mind think,

Buffy

[Thunderbird]

One true measure of ones life is in the ratio between what we have decided,.. and what we have allowed others to decide for us.... Thunderbird.

 

 

 

The flip side would be...

The other true measure of ones life,.. is in ratio between the decisions we make for our own benefit...

and the sacrifices we make to benefit of others.

 

 

 

 

[Mike C]

How would you ever get there if you're taxing people at 95% for all income over their living expenses? If you're going to create a "second citizen class" of people who don't have to pay taxes because they are "free enterprise" why wouldn't *everyone* declare themselves an entrepreneur?

 

My surplus income would be graduated to the top level income and reduced to lower rates such as:

 

A billionaires 500,000,000 income after living costs would be taxed at 95%. This leaves him/her an added 25 million as pocket money.

 

A 10,000,000 surplus would be taxed at 25%. This leaves a balance of 7.5, million pocket money.

 

A one million surplus income would be taxed at taxed at 10%. This leaves a balance of 900,000 thousand as pocket money.

 

100,000 would be taxed at 5% leaving a balance of 95,000.

 

Most if not all incomes at lower levels would be spending their entire incomes for living expenses.

 

So why should anyone complain about this tax structure?

 

This surplus income tax would, of course, be supplemented by other taxes as they exist today except the 'sales tax' that I would eliminate.

So, all the other taxes are payed at the one rate for all.

 

Or do you have to be able to afford the lawyers necessary to create a corporation so that you can be a "free enterprise."

 

The only free enterprise is Nature! No laws,

 

What I was describing was taxing the income on the invested capital. Or are you willing in your plan to allow the current rich to be able to pay "normal" tax rates on the investment income as opposed to their labor income (of course the rich don't work at the same rate as the poor...)

 

Income is income regardless of the sources. All sources are added together to determine the total income after deductions.

 

 

I've said this before, but I'll say it again:

 

Any theory that does not deal with details is worthless.

 

The fact that you're brushing aside these major issues as details, indicates that you really don't want to invest in this any more than to "visualize" a perfect world. Details are for the little people, so to speak. You're a man of big ideas, and those who try to make it complicated are just unable to see your brilliance.

 

I believe in a Constitutional Democracy, not a dictatorial communism or capitalism.

 

Yes! Can you explain why this is relevant to your theory?

Yes! That's why I voted for Bill! He balanced the budget while upholding liberal values! So do you want to explain why this is relevant to your theory?

 

Because our Constitution provides taxes for its operation.

Because it should be non profit rather than being in a deficit balance.

 

Whew! I think this should clear up your under4standing of a representative Constitutional government?

 

Mike C

[paigetheoracle]

My own brand of socialism is where people contribute their ideas or their physical effort and are supported by their community, so that none go hungry or unlooked after in their old age or when sick and infirm. Intellectual property is shared, not used to gain profit over others (See Fred Moore and Gordon French's club for computer amatuers and the argument that blew up about BASIC/ see also Charles leadbeater's book 'We-Think' at Profile books/ Elinor Ostrom, professor of political science at Indiana University and 'The Commons' approach)but to improve life for the community in the same way physical effort is. Thinkers need quiet areas to think in and should be segregated from noisier, more outgoing people because it is in everyones best interest (If we all get what we want and need, to contribute optimally to society, then we should have little reason to complain as opposed to throwing people together willy-nilly because of the erroneous belief that we shouldn't disciminate against people in any way shape or form: Free will means people can choose who with and where they live, plus who to mix with in their leisure time, when they want to break free of family or neighbourhood loyalties)

[Michaelangelica]

The whole idea of telling others what you vote for in an election is totally foreign to Australians.

It is between you and the ballot box.

 

If you choose to tell others, who you voted for that is your argument/misfortune!

[Mike C]

For Mike

p145 "Dude,Where's My Country" Michael Moore

 

." . .You are not going to give up your dream of having your slice of the pie. In fact, some of you believe that the whole pie might be yours.

I have some news for you: You are not even going to get to lick the plate. The system is rigged in favour of the few, and your name is not among them, not now and not ever. It's rigged so well that it dupes many otherwise decent,sensible,hard-working people into believing that it works for them too. It holds the carrot so close to their face they can smell it. And by promising that one day they will be able to eat the carrot, the system drafts an army of consumers and taxpayers who gladly, passionately, fight for the rights of the rich, whether it means giving them billions in tax breaks while they send their own children into dilapidated schools, or whether it means sending those children off to die in wars to protect the rich man's oil Yes, that's right: The workers/consumers will even sacrifice the lives of their own flesh and blood if it means keeping the rich fat and happy because the rich have promised them that some day they can join them at the table!

 

That is why I wrote 'My Brand of Socialism' to point out to the citizens that this type of government can provide them with the essentials for survival. What we have to do is promote the '

 

I did not finish that last sentence because I got a 'warning' from Microsoft that it will turn off my computer!

 

Mike C

[Mike C]

How would you ever get there if you're taxing people at 95% for all income over their living expenses? If you're going to create a "second citizen class" of people who don't have to pay taxes because they are "free enterprise" why wouldn't *everyone* declare themselves an entrepreneur?

 

Or do you have to be able to afford the lawyers necessary to create a corporation so that you can be a "free enterprise."

 

These two are for the purposes of discussion the same thing: You're going to tax people at an exhorbitant rate above "living expenses", which for all intents means that there is a maximum income. While you contradict yourself later and say this is only for "billionares" this quote here makes it clear that you only consider living expenses to be "needed" and justifiable.

 

What I was describing was taxing the income on the invested capital. Or are you willing in your plan to allow the current rich to be able to pay "normal" tax rates on the investment income as opposed to their labor income (of course the rich don't work at the same rate as the poor...)

 

I've said this before, but I'll say it again:

 

Any theory that does not deal with details is worthless.

 

The fact that you're brushing aside these major issues as details, indicates that you really don't want to invest in this any more than to "visualize" a perfect world. Details are for the little people, so to speak. You're a man of big ideas, and those who try to make it complicated are just unable to see your brilliance.

 

If you want to know why you're getting so much flak for your theory, it really is just this point. Considering details to be unimportant indicates a lack of understand of how difficult it is to implement any reasonably complex plan.

Yes! Can you explain why this is relevant to your theory?

Yes! That's why I voted for Bill! He balanced the budget while upholding liberal values! So do you want to explain why this is relevant to your theory?

 

And, were there sense in his idolatry, my substance should be statue in thy stead, :hihi:

Buffy

 

I answered your post a while back but was unable to post it for some reason.

But now thanks to Craig , I can post again.

 

While answering Angelica now, a message popped up telling me to turn off the computer. So this warning has caused me to tone down my criticisms.

 

I spent a lot of time answering your previous post but the refusal for it to be posted , caused it to be lost after all that work .

So you may as well forget about the details.

 

Mike C

[Michaelangelica]

That is why I wrote 'My Brand of Socialism' to point out to the citizens that this type of government can provide them with the essentials for survival. What we have to do is promote the '

 

I did not finish that last sentence because I got a 'warning' from Microsoft that it will turn off my computer!

 

Mike C

What?

How?

[paigetheoracle]

That is why I wrote 'My Brand of Socialism' to point out to the citizens that this type of government can provide them with the essentials for survival. What we have to do is promote the '

 

I did not finish that last sentence because I got a 'warning' from Microsoft that it will turn off my computer!

 

Mike C

 

Maybe I'm lucky because I have An Apple Mac, not a PC (No Windows warning or Door slammed in my computing face).

 

Even Hypography has its rules (censors to some degree). This is not a criticism but a statement of how everything defines itself and the way life is. If you eat, you kill or have someone kill something for you (destroy its present form to help recreate yours) and this is censorship of the harshest kind: Also life without bounds is death (abandonment). This is Hypography not Hypocrisy!

[paigetheoracle]

MikeC

 

I've just recieved an email from Project Camelot in the UK. In it they mention Benjamin Fulford, son of a Canadian Diplomat and now residing in Japan. Have you heard of him? As you seem to be into conspiracies, thought you might like to follow this up, if you haven't already. Interesting guy, with interesting theories, pertinent to this thread I believe and hoping to become a mover and shaker on the International scene, if this email report is to be believed.

 

You want to know why people are willing to work for peanuts and are subsidising the rich (illuminati) because they are addicted to the pursuit of materialism. Can the rich be blamed for that? No because once they were the same and now they've moved on to become pimps/ pushers themselves. This is just how things work and it will never really change.

 

You might find Patrick McGoohans TV series 'The Prisoner' of interest too.

[Mike C]

What?

How?

 

What I was about to write was to promote the 'PUBLIC FINANCING OF OUR ELECTIONS' to get the influence money out of this government process.

 

Before that statement, I also criticized 'runaway' capitalism.

 

So, when I was writing that message, an interuption occured with the message that normally occurs when you want to close down the computer.

I did NOT punch the keys to bring this massage out.

It was apparently brought out by a 'live' moniter that I am sure I have on my computer because of my critical remarks about not only capitalism, but the bibles OT and the current BBT science.

 

So, from here on I will just post my versions of what should be without any criticisms.

 

Mike C

[freeztar]

A bit paranoid are we?

 

Mike, I seriously doubt anyone is monitoring your computer.

If you want to be sure, you can get a port monitor and look at the traffic coming in and out of your computer. I'd also recommend a good spyware program and AV software to protect against malicious attacks. But seriously, it's unlikely that people are remotely trying to shut down your computer because of your views.

[Mike C]

Maybe I'm lucky because I have An Apple Mac, not a PC (No Windows warning or Door slammed in my computing face).

 

Even Hypography has its rules (censors to some degree). This is not a criticism but a statement of how everything defines itself and the way life is. If you eat, you kill or have someone kill something for you (destroy its present form to help recreate yours) and this is censorship of the harshest kind: Also life without bounds is death (abandonment). This is Hypography not Hypocrisy!

 

This is more than just a 'Hypo' restriction.

 

Two years ago, I had a virus planted in my computer and blockage of my use of Internet Explorer.

 

When I was still able to post my criricisms, I was refused recertification on a US website and after posting here on the websites outside the US, my printer was tied up, my W98 OS was interfered with and finally my computer was 'assassinated'.

 

Needless to say, I am now back on the internet with my new identity that was originally New Science.

 

Hey, this is serious business.

 

Mike C

[Mike C]

MikeC

 

I've just recieved an email from Project Camelot in the UK. In it they mention Benjamin Fulford, son of a Canadian Diplomat and now residing in Japan. Have you heard of him? As you seem to be into conspiracies, thought you might like to follow this up, if you haven't already. Interesting guy, with interesting theories, pertinent to this thread I believe and hoping to become a mover and shaker on the International scene, if this email report is to be believed.

 

You want to know why people are willing to work for peanuts and are subsidising the rich (illuminati) because they are addicted to the pursuit of materialism. Can the rich be blamed for that? No because once they were the same and now they've moved on to become pimps/ pushers themselves. This is just how things work and it will never really change.

 

You might find Patrick McGoohans TV series 'The Prisoner' of interest too.

 

Thanks for the info. I will check them out.

 

But I am not involved in any conspiracies. What I write, I do so just to write the truth as I see it and make all others aware of what is happening to our environments.

 

Mike C