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#35 Turtle

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 02:10 PM

Excuse me Turtle, but it's called Khua. :)


Cheers. :cup:

A tip o' my glass back at ya Sir! So it is called Khua by the Udeghe tribal people of North Eastern Russia and called Diable by some North American tribes. Again I must reference Drumming On The Edge Of Magic by Micky Hart wherin he lists dozens of tribes worldwide who use(d) the bullroarer & what they called it as well as denoting the spinning disk as "diable". Mr. Hart is currently working with the Smithsonian to catalog rhythms & rhythm instruments of tribal peoples worldwide; he is by any accord a master drummer.:)
While it is arguable if the Apache descend from the Anastazi or Aborigine , they have a similar view of the bullroarer, i.e. in both Apache & Aborigine society the device is forbidden to women. One Aborigine tale I heard has the men losing a bullroarer when the string broke, and when a woman found it & took it home the men slaughtered the entire village when they discovered the finding.
I have a friend who has spent some time digging Anastasi ruins (within academia of course; strictly legal!) with an eye to clues about the use of mathematics. Next time I hear from them I'll try a little digging of my own in their mind.:hihi:
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#36 IDMclean

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 04:49 PM

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I believe, now through an ID analysis, that Human culture, what would lead to us. Originated closer to 10,600 bc. In the Exact place shown on this map which corresponds to:
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Around Lake Victoria.

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Interesting stuff to note.

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 05:28 PM

I believe, now through an ID analysis, that Human culture, what would lead to us. Originated closer to 10,600 bc.
Interesting stuff to note.


Perchance what is "ID analysis?" Perchance where are the maps of the Americas? Perchance why do we have human tools extant going back 250,000 years?
http://news.bbc.co.u...ure/5098748.stm
Perchance you jest us clown?:cup:

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 05:56 PM

The person who did the Nile as a time line did so in the pursuit of Intellectual design. His analysis is highly unorthodox, however would seemingly be correct.

What I mean is that it would seem what the person who did the Nile decoded has found is an origin point for the human concept of time itself. Which would be one of the greatest advances in cognition.

I have been looking at data (for nearly 10 years now) that suggests perhaps what truely desiguishes humans from the marjority of animals on this planet is our capacity to remember. Therefore our ability to recognize the passage of "time" in a linear and non-linear manner.

Now I would ask what you mean by "Human" in this context. Are we talking about the Homo Sapiens, Sapien Sapien, Erectus, Habilus... need refinement to address your question better.

Disclaimer: I am not a proponent of Intellectual design, nor am I a proponent of Creationism. Nothing is created and nothing is destroyed.

(Oh and that article gives me the same vibes as the English Fossil Fraud of 1912, not to insinuate anything, but I am a skeptic.)

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Posted 25 June 2006 - 03:17 AM

The person who did the Nile as a time line did so in the pursuit of Intellectual design. His analysis is highly unorthodox, however would seemingly be correct.

What happens if we find out Australian aboeiginies have been here for 80,000 years(not proved yet but. . .?)
What about the Aboriginal Australian settlement of S. America at about 50,000 years?
Puts a cat among the pigeons dosn't it?

The boomerang is OURS!. You can have the bull-roarer

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Posted 25 June 2006 - 10:20 AM

The boomerang is OURS!. You can have the bull-roarer

:hyper: In fact, the boomerang is a warped bullroarer (curved?). The question of who had it first relies on the fact that many have it. If "OURS" refers to us citizens of the world, then it is conditionally "ours".

Do the Aboriginie have the spinning disk on a string? Just asking in passing because it is MINE.:doh: :hihi:
http://hypography.co...ton-string.html

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Posted 25 June 2006 - 07:51 PM

A new lost civilization! :) Perhaps? :eek2: With Pyramids bigger than any known in the world?:epizza:
Here's just one link & I watched a BBC story that people are flocking to Bosnia-Herzegovina to help in the big digs.

VISOKO, Bosnia-Herzegovina - Researchers in Bosnia on Wednesday unearthed the first solid evidence that an ancient pyramid lies hidden beneath a massive hill — a series of geometrically cut stone slabs that could form part of the structure's sloping surface....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12402157/

Shall we send an Hypography contingent?:)

#42 Turtle

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Posted 26 June 2006 - 04:31 PM

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Now I would ask what you mean by "Human" in this context. ...
(Oh and that article gives me the same vibes as the English Fossil Fraud of 1912, not to insinuate anything, but I am a skeptic.)


Here's another story for you (all?) to doubt:


http://www.sciencema...t/312/5781/1785

Perforated marine gastropod shells at the western Asian site of Skhul and the North African site of Oued Djebbana indicate the early use of beads by modern humans in these regions. The remoteness of these sites from the seashore and a comparison of the shells to natural shell assemblages indicate deliberate selection and transport by humans for symbolic use. Elemental and chemical analyses of sediment matrix adhered to one Nassarius gibbosulus from Skhul indicate that the shell bead comes from a layer containing 10 human fossils and dating to 100,000 to 135,000 years ago, about 25,000 years earlier than previous evidence for personal decoration by modern humans in South Africa. ...


Kaffee bitte?:confused:

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 10:30 PM

How have we all missed mentioning Atlantis? :cup: :hyper: Or is it found on Santorini? :doh:

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Posted 28 June 2006 - 07:30 AM

The Takla Makan Mummies.

I remember reading about them in Discover Magazine and if I remember right, that article indicated there may be a connection between these mummies and the introduction of the wheel to China.

Pics:
http://www.pbs.org/w...taklamakan.html

Nova Transcript:
http://www.pbs.org/w...02chinamum.html

Tattoos:
http://www.tattoohea...m/CentAsia.html

and a possibly connected linage:

http://www.wumag.kie...ram=pgs20052/92

http://www.eedi.org....em/3-15eng.html
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Posted 28 June 2006 - 07:49 AM

The bolded phrase is simply not true. The atlatl, the boomerang, & the bullroarer are found in cultures around the world. ?


The others had sticks only Ozzie Aboriginies had boomerangs

Boomerangs in Speech and Sport Today

Today, it is not only non-Aboriginal Australians who continue to confuse the terms. Most people overseas, if they are even aware of two different types of throw-sticks, speak of them all as boomerangs; and even most contemporary Aborigines today use the terms ‘returning’ and ‘non-returning’ boomerangs when speaking English.
Perhaps it’s so as not to be argumentative; perhaps it’s because the confusion is now so ingrained that insistence on boomerang for returning sticks only is seen as pedantic.
But many boomerang enthusiasts today would agree with Fraser’s comment from over a century ago: ‘It is important that two different words be used’. The BAA and the BTA of New South Wales have consistently referred to only returning devices as boomerangs when setting rules for competitions, and have used the term hunting stick for competitions with non-returning throw-sticks.
We have regarded it as important to preserve the Aboriginal origin of boomerangs in our sport, and to this end maybe an insistence on the correct terms is an education that most people need. If we are going to promote the sport of boomerangs with its history and pre-history accurately, then perhaps we need to insist:

If it doesn't come back, it’s not a boomerang.

FROM" http://www.boomerang...-boomerang.html

Would you believe there is even a boomerang forum too!?
http://boomerang.org.au/
They might know about Bull-roarers

#46 Turtle

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Posted 28 June 2006 - 12:51 PM

The others had sticks only Ozzie Aboriginies had boomerangs

Would you believe there is even a boomerang forum too!?
http://boomerang.org.au/
They might know about Bull-roarers


I'll keep looking, but I have read before that other cultures have returning throwing sticks. (Native American's non-returning hunting sticks are called "Rabbit sticks"). The quote you gave sounds a little anthropocentric to me.:hihi:
I have searched the web extensively on the Bullroarers & found that about half the information given is flat wrong.:)
Does anyone know if the Aboriginie have the Khua/Diable (spinning-disk-on-a-string)?:hihi:

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Posted 03 July 2006 - 02:47 PM

A boomerang is something that boomerangs, ie, returns to you when its thrown. What kind of retard talks about 'non-returning boomerangs'? Theres alreay a word for them in english. Theyre called sticks.

Does anyone know if the Aboriginie have the Khua/Diable (spinning-disk-on-a-string)?:)


Do you mean a yo-yo? I thought that was a polynesian invention?

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Posted 03 July 2006 - 02:56 PM

Do you mean a yo-yo?


Most assuredly not.


http://hypography.co...ton-string.html
http://hypography.co...&c=3&userid=796
http://hypography.co...&c=3&userid=796

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Posted 03 July 2006 - 03:06 PM

Interesting. I never tried that as a child. Why do you ask if the Aboorigines had such a thing?

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Posted 03 July 2006 - 03:12 PM

Interesting. I never tried that as a child. Why do you ask if the Aboorigines had such a thing?

I ask because it is ancient, shamanic, & found widely across world cultures. Oh, & because I have made & operated the largest one in the history of Gaia.

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Posted 03 July 2006 - 03:22 PM

A boomerang is something that boomerangs, ie, returns to you when its thrown. What kind of retard talks about 'non-returning boomerangs'? Theres alreay a word for them in english. Theyre called sticks.

Please avoid such derogatory comments. Thanks.
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