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#18 freeztar

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 11:26 AM

Speaking purely from personal experience, and relying solely on anecdotal evidence, I'm of the perspective that there's no such thing as an intelligent driver. :lol: :rant: :evil:


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I was going to start the thread with the question: Does it exist?
But obviously I decided not to...

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 11:27 AM

Here's a big one:

  • Accelerate to speed on the onramp to the highway - Nothing drives me more insane than when people nervously slow down or come to a stop when merging onto the highway. It is incredibly dangerous, and someone almost got me killed once. The onramp is like a launching shoot. Step on the gas with the intention of reaching the speed of the traffic flow on the highway by the time you get to the top. It makes merging so much easier, and avoids getting the folks behind you killed, like me.


:lol: That's spooky!

I was just driving back to the office with my lunch and thinking about the same exact thing. I was going to post it, but you beat me to it. Great minds think alike. :evil:

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 12:29 PM

The least obeyed law in the US is "Slower Traffic Keep Right." This actually is a huge advantage for those of us who do the right thing and stay in the right lane except for passing because so many meatheads sit in the fast lane going at or under the speed limit, that you can breeze by them all in the "slow lane" (with the cruise control on!).....

See the breaking glass, in the underpass, :lol:
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I did not know that was a law? I thought that was suppose to be common courtesy... I think its illegal go to above the speed limit no matter what lane you are in so you can be going 60 if the speed limit is 60in the farthest left lane.

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 12:34 PM

I did not know that was a law? I thought that was suppose to be common courtesy... I think its illegal go to above the speed limit no matter what lane you are in so you can be going 60 if the speed limit is 60in the farthest left lane.


Yes but your job is not to enforce the traffic laws by clogging up the passing lane.

The signs along the highway specifically say, "Slower Traffic Keep Right."

If you have wide open road ahead of you, and a line of cars behind you, it's time to move it on over, no matter how fast you're going.


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Posted 07 February 2008 - 12:39 PM

I did not know that was a law? I thought that was suppose to be common courtesy... I think its illegal go to above the speed limit no matter what lane you are in so you can be going 60 if the speed limit is 60in the farthest left lane.


According to this site, most states have right lane laws. 'How much they are enforced?' is another question.
Why Lane Courtesy Is Important - Lane Courtesy - Slower Traffic Keep Right

In my search to answer your question, I came across the following site which has all kinds of ID goodies!
www.slowertraffickeepright.com

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 04:26 PM

Weel, you have some small mountains in Melbourne but I guess not enough...anyway here all roads in the mountains have no speed signs and hence the speed is always limited at 80km/h (as on all the "principal roads" a category we have here), unless when entering a village it is 50 and then when you get out of the village it is mostly just the "cancelled 50"-sign and rarely the 80 km/h-sign. So if you go with 80 km/h into a 180° turn it is really that you are not intelligent...

All this to say that for me it seemed a common sense thing since I learned driving on those roads.


Jet2 agree completely, you forgot just to mention my favorite definition of the sportive utility vehicles SUV=stupid useless vehicle...

I guess all countries are going to be slightly different, but here we have signs on most corners recomending a speed (lower than the current limit) depending on the severity of the corner. Unless you are way out in the country these signs are very common.

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 04:59 PM

Here's a big one:

  • Accelerate to speed on the onramp to the highway - Nothing drives me more insane than when people nervously slow down or come to a stop when merging onto the highway. It is incredibly dangerous, and someone almost got me killed once. The onramp is like a launching shoot. Step on the gas with the intention of reaching the speed of the traffic flow on the highway by the time you get to the top. It makes merging so much easier, and avoids getting the folks behind you killed, like me.

It's actually better to aim for a few over the limit seeing as everyone else on the interstate is very likely to be going faster than posted...The interstate here is posted 65mph traffic is almost always going75mph and over...I come off that on ramp at 80-85mph (goin uphill no less)...With our brutal unpredictable winters traffic on this same stretch of road crawls at 25-45mph.

I guess all countries are going to be slightly different, but here we have signs on most corners recomending a speed (lower than the current limit) depending on the severity of the corner. Unless you are way out in the country these signs are very common.

Here in Pa. Up grades and down grades are marked with signs for truckers to reduce gear , turns and twisties- a sign with a picture of the type of turn and a recomended speed, intersections -a picture of the type of intersection, bumps a sign that says bump or uneven pavement, critter crossings a picture of the critter you should expect to have to avoid, stop ahead signs to warn of a stop sign ahead....etc.etc.etc.

The short of it we have signs for our signs and a sign for nearlly anything you could possibly encounter on the road.:lol: Have we really gotten this stupid?!?

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 07:57 PM

Yes but your job is not to enforce the traffic laws by clogging up the passing lane.

The signs along the highway specifically say, "Slower Traffic Keep Right."

If you have wide open road ahead of you, and a line of cars behind you, it's time to move it on over, no matter how fast you're going.


deleted incorrect info (law slipped in 2007, probably went into effect July 1st or August 1st), and there are no signs indicating such that I have seen on various trips on multi-lane roads including a recent trip to duluth and several trips to the twin cities in november/december.

It was debated a few years ago (I think the first couple of years of the Pawlenty admin). It didnt pass. The logic (as I remember it) was there are posted minimum/maximum on all major highways and as long as a person is driving within those boundries they should not suffer under penalty of law.

It is common courtesy to move over. Its also better for you safety wise. I wont argue that. I was one who thought (at first) they should pass that law until realizing the above also has equal credibility. Why should I get a ticket (remember this applies whether there are cars behind you or not) at some arbitrary marker of slower traffic when personally, I am safer in the left lane than right lane at certain times. Like when deer are moving at night.

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 09:20 PM

I did not know that was a law? I thought that was suppose to be common courtesy... I think its illegal go to above the speed limit no matter what lane you are in so you can be going 60 if the speed limit is 60in the farthest left lane.

In California it most certainly is, and the California Highway Patrol *will* hand out tickets for "obstructing the flow of traffic" if you have people lined up behind you in the fast lane, and they occasionally make public statements to the effect of "even if you are going the speed limit, you should not stay in the fast lane."

They don't want to encourage speeders, but they know that statistically there are a lot of accidents caused by an impatient speeder on the tail of a self-righteous "I can be here because I'm going the speed limit" meat head.

This is also why in California you will see signs that say "Slower Traffic Keep Right" every few miles on rural Interstates.

I also know that in Holland and some other European Countries, you cannot drive in the fast lane *unless* you're *actively* passing someone: stay there for over a minute and you'll get a ticket!

It takes 15,000 nuts to hold a car together, but only one to spread it all over the highway, :hihi:
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Posted 08 February 2008 - 06:27 PM

It takes 15,000 nuts to hold a car together, but only one to spread it all over the highway

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 08:14 PM

I did not know that [“slower traffic keep right”] was a law? I thought that was suppose to be common courtesy...

Prior to reading this handy table of “keep right” laws by US state, I didn’t know it was a law in so many states. I had only the practical knowledge, dating back to when I-95 was only 4 lanes for much of its length, that Connecticut state cops lined up at the New York border to ticket people passing on the right – a sort of “welcome to the state” greeting/interstate wealth transfer.

Another trick this unusually strict passing law allowed was a single marked police car cruising at or under the speed limit in the left lane holding back hundreds of cars. According to some accounts, this was used systematically to regulate traffic to reduce rush hour slowdowns by eliminating wave-like bunch-ups, actually increasing the sustained traffic throughput of a given stretch of road.

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 09:00 PM

Another trick this unusually strict passing law allowed was a single marked police car cruising at or under the speed limit in the left lane holding back hundreds of cars. According to some accounts, this was used systematically to regulate traffic to reduce rush hour slowdowns by eliminating wave-like bunch-ups, actually increasing the sustained traffic throughput of a given stretch of road.


Well that doesn't seem like much of an effort by the police to adhere to a "Slower Traffic Keep Right" law. But than again, I guess the police don't have to obey traffic laws when there's no emergency do they? :lol:

So in an effort to eliminate numerous traffic waves, they created one big wave of CLOG. Good idea. Maybe they were trying to bait someone, probably from out of state, to pass them on the right so they could pull 'em over and pad their revenue quotas.

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 09:19 PM

Well I looked at the list and found out this pinko commie socialist state has slipped into over-control mode and has joined the ranks of "lets make it a law".

The problems in this state are not from people driving slow in the left lanes, its bridges falling down, not enough lanes, lack of road maintanence, low bid and a host of other issues unrelated to putzing along in the left lane issues.

Well DAMN I feel a whole bunch safer ... Gawd...

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Posted 09 February 2008 - 01:14 AM

Intelligent Drivers don't drive - they telecommute!

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Posted 11 February 2008 - 01:19 AM

I also know that in Holland and some other European Countries, you cannot drive in the fast lane *unless* you're *actively* passing someone: stay there for over a minute and you'll get a ticket!


I’ve never been to Holland, but I know they enforce this law vehemently on Germany’s autobahns. I think it makes for a much safer road - especially when there’s such a disparity in speeds.

In fact, the number of laws curbing driving-behavior should probably be proportionate to the speed limit (e.g. no; cell phones, eating, U-turns on highways). Following that logic, I wonder if we should have a different legal limit on highways...?

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 01:01 AM

Intelligent Drivers don't drive - they telecommute!


:doh: Oh the pure brilliance of that statement!

It reminds me of a favorite quote:

Old Mustangs never die... they just get faster!

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 09:23 AM

  • Brakes aren't the only way to slow - Intelligent drivers know that when entering a clover-loop (ie some highway entrances), staying towards the inside of the lane will increase your speed relative to the car in front of you, while pulling to the outside of the lane has the opposite effect. In this way, you are using a greater distance over time to give you less speed.