Michaelangelica Posted March 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 Dear Friends, I have just read and signed the online petition: "10,000 Voices for Justice " hosted on the web by PetitionOnline.com, the free online petitionservice, at: 10,000 Voices for Justice Petition I personally agree with what this petition says, and I think you mightagree, too. If you can spare a moment, please take a look, and considersigning yourself. Best wishes, Michael PS more info on GB and David hereLinks- Fair Go For David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieAG Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 Was Jane Fonda ever incarcerated for years on end without access to legal counsel and without being charged at all? Lighten up a bit. If you thought that GWB had a moral mandate to invade Iraq' (I personally don't) you would probably think that many years of marriage to Ted Turner would be equivalent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieAG Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 LaurieAG, your claim that Jane Fonda’s anti-war protest activity is a “precident” for David Hicks incarceration at Gitmo as an enemy combatant appears unfounded. Actually the word is precedent and the charge of being an 'enemy combatant' has been dropped. As David Hicks has been charged with 'materially aiding the enemy' then what was Jane Fonda doing in North Vietnam? FYI she had a photo session at an enemy Anti Aircraft battery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelangelica Posted March 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 Was Jane Fonda ever incarcerated for years on end without access to legal counsel and without being charged at all?Hicks has had excellent legal council provided by the US Army. Major Mori.Mori wins praise of lawyer fansMajor Michael Mori is certainly adored by many in the local legal fraternity. It was standing-room only as he spoke at the Selbourne Chambers in Sydney last night, with at least 400 lawyers in attendance, all hanging on the major's every word. Mori wins praise of lawyer fans - National - smh.com.auHe is what gives us some little faith in a flawed US system. Most Australians would vote for him for President or PM or Sainthood or whatever.He is the old fashioned lawyer who believes in justice, due process, human rights, habeas corpus etc. The federal government here won't talk to him. (Howard et al (a.k.a. bonsai) have badly miss-judged the mood of the nation on this and are now trying to back-peddle.) I am told the US Army now wants him (MM) off the case as he is an embarrassment always asking for things like charges to be laid etc and criticizing the process, and the military tribunals. If that happens, this country will erupt.Charges of "materially aiding the enemy/terrorism" have been laid and David gets a day in the "Kangaroo Court" this week. David also sees his father for the first time in 3 1/2 years. We don't know if David is still sane but the yanks will be offering him a deal to confess and he can go home. Hicks doubts he'll get fair trial: MoriMarch 22, 2007 - 11:44AM Terror suspect David Hicks does not believe he will get a fair trial and is confused about why he remains in Guantanamo Bay after five years, his US military lawyer says. Major Michael Mori last week visited Hicks inside the US military prison to prepare for the Australian's hearing at a US military commission on Monday. The 31-year-old from Adelaide is expected to plead not guilty to a charge of providing material support for terrorism in a hearing at the US base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Major Mori said Hicks remained confused about why the Australian government had left him in US custody for more than five years. Hicks also doubted he would get a fair trial under a revamped US military commission system. Hicks doubts he'll get fair trial: Mori - Breaking News - National - Breaking News Even the Nazis in WW2 allowed care packages from 'home' to its POWs - but not the Yanks in 2007. An old article-feb 2004- on Maj. MoriFeature: Major Michael MoriAged 38, Mori grew up in Boston, where he joined the Marines in 1983 and had a four-year stint. After he got out, he went back to university, did the officer training program for the Marine Corps as a lawyer and wound up as a lawyer on active duty with the Marines in 1995. Perhaps that's why he's so passionate about the law and justice — he got his degree the hard way. "America's always had a proud tradition of ensuring fairness and due process. Now's not the time to sacrifice those values." Today's paperThey are out to "get" maj MoriHicks sidelined by legal brawlPenelope DebelleMarch 24, 2007Other related coverage * Defence requests trial delay * Hicks' defence team delays US trial date * Hicks 'given sedative' before being told of charges * We've turned down no concrete plea bargain deals: lawyer * Hicks father nervous about reunion BAD feeling between the prosecution and David Hicks' defence team may spill over in a US military courtroom in Cuba when the Guantanamo Bay detainee appears on Monday.Hicks sidelined by legal brawl - National - theage.com.au When the Anglicans start doing this in the City of cathedrals you know there are a lot of angry Australians out thereArchbishop writes to PM for justiceBarney ZwartzMarch 24, 2007The banner adorning St Paul's Cathedral is a demand for fairness, says Archbishop Philip Freier."JUSTICE for David Hicks" has become a cause for Melbourne's Anglicans. Not only is the demand made in an eight-metre banner hanging from St Paul's Cathedral, but new Archbishop Philip Freier has written to Prime Minister John Howard on Hicks' behalf.Archbishop writes to PM for justice - National - theage.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelangelica Posted March 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 The US psychological torture system is finally on trial America has deliberately driven hundreds, perhaps thousands, of prisoners insane. Now it is being held to account in a Miami court Naomi KleinFriday February 23, 2007The Guardian Now that Padilla's mental state is the central issue in the case, the government prosecutors are presented with a problem. The CIA and the military have known since the early 1960s that extreme sensory deprivation and sensory overload cause personality disintegration - that's the whole point. "The deprivation of stimuli induces regression by depriving the subject's mind of contact with an outer world and thus forcing it in upon itself. At the same time, the calculated provision of stimuli during interrogation tends to make the regressed subject view the interrogator as a father-figure." That comes from Kubark Counterintelligence Interrogation, a declassified 1963 CIA manual for interrogating "resistant sources".http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/linkframe.php?linkpg=http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2019341,00.html&linkid=31272 CraigD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieAG Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 I’m unable to find any record of Jane Fonda having been charged with any crime concerning her Vietnam war or other anti-war protest activity. I didn't claim that Jane Fonda had been charged, especially not being an enemy combatant. At the time many Americans thought that she had materially assisted the enemy through propaganda. The facts are that David Hicks was charged with being an enemy combatant in an unconstitutional 'court' and those charges were withdrawn because of constitutional issues. Google <<materially aiding "David Hicks">> Australian Guantanamo inmate to face court. - NewsFeed Researcher ...Australian terror suspect David Hicks will plead not guilty when he appears in a U.S. ... If Hicks can be charged with 'materially aiding terrorists', ...newsfeedresearcher.com/data/articles_w10/idw2007.03.09.07.15.32.html - 50k - Cached - Similar pages Try Googling for <<Vietnam battery "Jane Fonda">> Fonda role again draws heat - The Boston GlobeWASHINGTON -- Actress and long time peace activist Jane Fonda, ... enemy [in North Vietnam] on an anti aircraft battery used to shoot down our Navy pilots. ...Fonda role again draws heat - The Boston Globe - Similar pages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelangelica Posted March 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Charges of "materially aiding the enemy/terrorism" have been laid and David gets a day in the "Kangaroo Court" this week. David also sees his father for the first time in 3 1/2 years. We don't know if David is still sane but the yanks will be offering him a deal to confess and he can go home."When you stare into an abyss for a long time,the abyss also stares into you".Friedrich NIETZSCHEBeyond Good and Evil (1886) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelangelica Posted March 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Australian Broadcasting Corporation TV PROGRAM TRANSCRIPT LOCATION: 7.30 Report - 29/03/2007: John Clarke, Bryan Dawe and the Hicks trial Broadcast: 29/03/2007John Clarke, Bryan Dawe and the Hicks trial Reporter: Bryan Dawe KERRY O'BRIEN: Finally, John Clarke and Bryan Dawe on the Hicks trial. BRYAN DAWE: Mr Downer, thank you very much for your time. JOHN CLARKE: It's very good to be with you, Bryan, and good evening. BRYAN DAWE: Can you explain to me the legal process we're seeing with the David Hicks trial? JOHN CLARKE: Mr Hicks has now, of course, pleaded guilty to providing material support for a terrorist organisation. BRYAN DAWE: But Mr Downer, wasn't pleading guilty the only way he was going to get home? JOHN CLARKE: Bryan, I would have thought if you plead guilty to something, it's because you did it. BRYAN DAWE: And what if you plead not guilty? JOHN CLARKE: Well, if you lie on oath, Bryan, they're going to chuck the book at you. I wouldn't advise you to do that. That could be dangerous. BRYAN DAWE: Can you explain the legal process to us? JOHN CLARKE: The auspices here, Bryan, are those of a US constituted military commission. Have you seen the artist's impressions drawings? That's very much the situation as you see it. BRYAN DAWE: This is David Hicks here? JOHN CLARKE: That's David Hicks here, this is the judge over here. BRYAN DAWE: This is Major Mori? JOHN CLARKE: Major Mori, yes, indeed. BRYAN DAWE: Who's that there? JOHN CLARKE: That there is the White Rabbit, slightly blurred because he's running late. BRYAN DAWE: Where's Alice? JOHN CLARKE: Alice is over here. BRYAN DAWE: Behind the red queen. JOHN CLARKE: Indeed. BRYAN DAWE: How does it all work? This is not coming under US law, is it, this trial? JOHN CLARKE: This is a constituted, slightly different jurisdiction. It's a US military commission, that's being conducted in a jail in Cuba. BRYAN DAWE: And how is it different? JOHN CLARKE: Whereas normally, Bryan, you would be charged with something and then you would be tried and if you were found guilty you would then be sentenced. BRYAN DAWE: How's this one different, then? JOHN CLARKE: In this case, slightly different jurisdiction, Bryan, you serve your sentence, and then, after some years of that, you're charged. BRYAN DAWE: Mmm. JOHN CLARKE: And then, perhaps, you're tried. BRYAN DAWE: And what are you charged with? JOHN CLARKE: Oh, anything. In this case, perhaps, providing material support for a terrorist organisation. BRYAN DAWE: Yeah. And where do you serve your sentence? JOHN CLARKE: In a room about sort of this by this. It's very attractive, affording excellent vistas of the toilet, for example. BRYAN DAWE: When are you tried? JOHN CLARKE: You're tried after you're charged. BRYAN DAWE: After you're served your sentence? JOHN CLARKE: Having served the majority, for some years, maybe five or six years. BRYAN DAWE: What do you do when you're charged? JOHN CLARKE: Oh, you plead guilty. BRYAN DAWE: Why do you plead guilty? JOHN CLARKE: Because you've already served your sentence, you don't want to be tried. You've probably had enough by then. Time to go home. BRYAN DAWE: Novelty has worn off? JOHN CLARKE: The thrill has gone, Bryan, let's get out of here. BRYAN DAWE: So why didn't the Australian Government get him out, Mr Downer? JOHN CLARKE: Everybody is entitled to a fair trial. That is a fundamental right. BRYAN DAWE: Mr Downer, thanks for your time. JOHN CLARKE: Now you just plead guilty, Bryan, and I think I can get you out of here. Home Archive About Us Letters back to ABC Online"When you stare into an abyss for a long time,the abyss also stares into you".Friedrich NIETZSCHEBeyond Good and Evil (1886) "Men ought either to be well treated or crushed"Niccolò MACHIAVELLI, The Prince ". .the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate which would be oppression."Thomas Jefferson "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."Voltaire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieAG Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Australian Broadcasting Corporation Hello Michaelangelica/All, Looks like David Hicks got 9 months on his plea bargain. Did you see 'The Chasers War on Everything' last night (Fri 31/3/07) on the Australian Broadcasting Commission? It was their last show. Loosely:- One of the 'Chasers' got up at a speech given by the US ambassador to Australia and commented that the 'Free David Hicks' group had started agitating and had to be countered with advertising campaign posters. His first poster was 'David Hicks IS Home' with a nice picture of Guantanamo Bay on the front. The Ambassador chuckled a bit. The second poster just said, in big letters, 'F**K HICKS' (note ** was not what appeared on our government television station at 11:20pm, substitute 'UC'). I'm a bit limited in time now, can you find and post the link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelangelica Posted March 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Unfortunately I missed half of ChaserFor our Yank "friends" (not feeling very friendly at the moment) the Chaser is Oz's answer to the Onion. The only satire left on TV.I did see the US ambassador and the F Hicks sign though.The link isThe Chaser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieAG Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 the Chaser is Oz's answer to the Onion. The only satire left on TV. Hello Michaelangelica, Sorry to correct you but the Chaser 'was' the only satire left on OZ TV. The decision was made weeks ago by all of the right wingers placed on the ABC board by little Johnny. At least they went out with a bang not a whimper. The really interesting thing is the insistence that a statement denying 'torture' and mistreatment at one ton of moo. It looks like there are still many 'grey' areas remaining. 'The Grey knights claim' We hopes your star advisers,are truely opposite southern diviners,lest they all dissapear up their conniverses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelangelica Posted April 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Hello Michaelangelica, Sorry to correct you but the Chaser 'was' the only satire left on OZ TV. The decision was made weeks ago by all of the right wingers placed on the ABC board by little Johnny. At least they went out with a bang not a whimper.I don't beleive you!This government will go down as the worst in "Liberal" history.The ABC needs independent funding (its own "Future Fund"?) to stop political interference from both sides of politics. The Chaser topped all the ratings last week including beating "Heros". Guess we can't have popular shows on the ABC especially those critical of the "government" (sic)At least we still have Clarke and Dawe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelangelica Posted April 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 For those still with us on the Hicks sagaA lot of stuff hereCare2 News Network: Search Results Seems there are a lot more little secret codicils to his plea than we first thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieAG Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 I don't beleive you!....The Chaser topped all the ratings last week including beating "Heros". Guess we can't have popular shows on the ABC especially those critical of the "government" (sic)At least we still have Clarke and Dawe Hello Michaelangelica, It looks like the Chaser is still on TV, although it is on Wednesday nights (I'm not sure if they're repeats though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelangelica Posted May 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 Hello Michaelangelica, It looks like the Chaser is still on TV, although it is on Wednesday nights (I'm not sure if they're repeats though).Yes still good fun although some of their ideas are becoming a bit tired now. Amnesty has started a campaign to close guantanamo I don't know whether to post it her or another thread.David of course is still not home. Will he come before or after the next Oz Ferral election in 12 -16 weeks?A new book out on him this week and our AG Ruddock (pillock)wants to stop him writing his own book (Hello, this is a democracy (?)).The book looks interesting If David is an example of what the Yanks are frightened of they are in more trouble than I thought.Meanwhile Bonsai (Howard) is spending 60 million building a super-size detention center on Christmas Island (for 500 people! That can't be right can it?)He is now offering bizarrely to "swap" Cuban refugees for our pacific refugees with Bush. Perhaps they collect people like others collect stamps. They are certainly being treated as "things".What goes on has the world gone mad?60 million would buy a lot of dental health for Australians. The amnesty campaignhttp://web.amnesty.org/pages/guantanamobay-index-engUSA Close Guantánamo - symbol of injustice An icon of lawlessness"The United States Government will work to advance human dignity in word and deed, speaking out for freedom and against violations of human rights."National Security Strategy of the USA, March 2002 "I am dying here every day, mentally and physically... We have been ignored, locked up in the middle of the ocean for four years."Guantánamo detainee Shaker Aamer, a Saudi Arabian national and UK resident, November 2005 Hundreds of men of many different nationalities have been transported to the USA’s offshore prison camp at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. At every stage of their ordeal, their dignity, humanity and fundamental rights have been denied.USA: Close Guantánamo - symbol of injustice - Amnesty International[This is an extract from the document ‘USA: Memorandum to the US Government on the report of the UN Committee against Torture and the question of closing Guantánamo’ (AI Index: AMR 51/093/2006) issued by Amnesty International in June 2006. Anyone wishing further details should consult the full document. An extensive range of our materials on this and other subjects is available at http://www.amnesty.org] United States of AmericaEnding Guantánamo Bay detentions When I hear US officials describe the suicides of three Muslim prisoners at Guantánamo Bay last Saturday as ‘asymmetric warfare’ and ‘a good PR move’, I know it’s time to close that camp – not just because of what it’s doing to the prisoners but because of how it is dehumanizing the American captors. David Ignatius, Washington Post, 14 June 2006(1) The continuing indefinite detention of some 460 people in Guantánamo remains a violation of international law, a distressing fact in their and their families’ lives, a stain upon the United States, and a contradiction of the US administration’s National Security Strategy, which takes the position that respect for the "non-negotiable demands of human dignity" is the route to security not an obstacle to it. Amnesty International deeply regrets that it took four years and required court action before the USA named the detainees held in Department of Defense custody in the base. The organization notes, however, that the numbers do not add up. The authorities released a list of 759 names of people held in Department of Defense custody at the base between January 2002 and 15 May 2006. However, three days later it stated that 287 detainees have been released or transferred from the base and "approximately 460" remain there, making a total of 747.(2) Amnesty International requests clarification as to why there is a difference of 12 detainees.(3)USA: Ending Guantanamo Bay Detentions [extract from AMR 51/093/2006] - Amnesty International Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelangelica Posted May 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 I can put pics. in! No stopping me now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelangelica Posted April 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 New movie on GuantanamoMPAA Censors Guantanamo Poster Posted May 18th 2006 12:31PM by Martha Fischer Just a day after we reported on censorship in other parts of the world (assuming, perhaps, that films in the US escape such restrictions) comes the news that American authorities are getting into the act, as well. Fan-freaking-tastic. According to press reports, the MPAA has objected to the poster that Roadside Attractions was planning to use to promote their American release of The Road to Guantanamo. The original poster depicts a prisoner hanging from chained wrists, with a burlap bag over his head — nothing more, said Roadside president Howard Cohen, than a reflection of “what it is we are doing to people in Guantanamo.” Interesting blog site with lots of links to GB issues and the film.Dear Kitty. Some blog :: May :: 2006 RESPECT - The Unity Coalition - CartoonsIt seems the other Guantanamo Bay Hypography thread has been closed by the moderator as "it has gone on too long" A bit like Guantanamo Bay really;. which just keeps going on despite world-wide condemnation. I wonder, if the Olympics were being held in USA this year, if we would have the same protests with the Torch Relay as we are seeing with the Chinese Olympic torch relay. I think it would have been worse.(The Canberra run was hailed as a"success" as the route was halved, the police barricaded the roads, 10,000 loyal flag waving Chinese students were bussed in from all over and police outnumbered Tibetans.) Please don't approach a flame, be polite in you condemnation, blind patriotism, anger, disgust, as moderators apparently can't pull you into line:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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