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are you paying attention where i try to be uber nice, change the game, and provide information that makes the whole argument pointless on both sides? or are we just going to rush off and talk a bout a propaganda graph and then try to ad hominem and momderator bully our way thru never addressing the things i posted?

 

and then later, oh yes, priceless, accuse me of not making the effort to communicate?

:bouquet:

 

 

 

assuming even if true, that global warming is a non issue, the economic reasons alone should compel us to quit fossil fuels.

 

You have allowed exxon oil to dupe you into paying through the nose. If we went electric and geothermal in the 70s, you'd be paying a dollar a year for your electric bill- and that would include all of the fuel for your car.

 

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[[Energy and Environment Research 2]]

 

==1. There are many different ways to derive energy. ==

 

 

2. Each of these methods has different relationships with the environment

 

3. Each of these methods has different costs and different benefits

 

4. Each of the these methods has different pros and cons.

 

5. A partial list of methods; [[oil]], [[coal]], [[shale]], [[wood]], [[gasoline]], [[biofuels]] (a. food crop, b. hemp crop c. algae) [[solar]], [[Thermal Solar]], [[Wind]], [[Tidal]], [[Geothermal]], [[Hydrogen]], [[Hydroelectric]], [[Zero Point]], [[Nuclear]].

 

6. Oils relationships with the environment are

 

a. Oil is ancient organic material that has undergone geological processes.

 

b. Oil is removed from the ground via oil wells. Ie oil is mined from the Earth.

 

c. Oil is burned in order to get heat and chemical reaction to create the energy.

 

d. Burning it creates smoke. The smoke is toxic. It is multiply toxic to the ecosystem in multiple ways.

 

e. Its causing [[Global Warming]].

 

f. It causes cancer.

 

g. It causes acid rain

 

h. Thus it hurts humans personally and the whole ecosystem as whole in these different ways.

 

7. oil costs a certain amount of money to obtain from the earth, depending on how deep it is and at what pressure it is under.

 

8. oil costs a certain amount of money to refine and process, as well as to transport.

 

 

== 9. The pros of oil are that ; ==

 

 

a. It is accessible with very primitive levels of technology

 

b. Our current energy infrastructure is based on oil

 

c. Oil costs less than biofuels or, at least, it used to.

 

d. Oils over all cost benefit analysis remains do-able from the perspective of economics alone.

 

 

== 10. The cons against oil are ==

 

 

a. Oil is actually very expensive as technology compared to other forms of energy in which initial

 

costs render yields not limited by physical quantities.

 

Solar power stations, Wind, and Geothermal all provide energy options which

 

are simply cheaper over the long term.

 

b. Oil pollutes the ecology as mentioned in its environmental analysis above.

 

c. That pollution will cause the extinction of life on earth as we know it should it continue.

 

d. We have already reached a tipping point where we have raised the global temperature so high that the new larger contributor to

greenhouse gasses is the ice that is being melted.

 

e. Thus we need solutions to reverse global warming, or, our civilization is doomed.

 

 

== 11. Coal. ==

The specifics change, but Coal, like oil, is an ancient organic substance exposed to geological processes, must be burned, and thus

contributes to pollution and global warming.

 

== 12. Oil Shale and Coal Shale. ==

Similar to oil and coal or extensions of them, shale is harder to mine and harder to extract oil from.

Thus it costs more to process.

 

== 13. Biofuels. ==

The difference between biofuels and oil or coal is that biofuels have not been exposed to geological processes, but rather, similarly effecting technological processes.

 

a.Biofuels still have toxic smoke which pollutes and which contributes to [[Global Warming]].

 

b. Biofuels trade energy shortage and economic stress for food shortage and economic stress, thus creating c +d

 

c. Biofuels create food shortages, hunger, and contribute to global poverty.

 

d. Biofuels make food more expensive.

 

 

 

== 14. Solar Power ==

 

 

a. Solar power is derived from the suns light and chemical processes.

 

b. Solar panels are a permanent fixture which will continue to derive energy whenever the sun shines.

 

c. Solar panels have real but comparatively very tiny environmental costs.

 

d. Solar panel technology is up to date and evolved, no more research is actually required.

 

e. Assorted pundits and candidates and politicians and so forth like to tell us that they favor more research for solar power.

 

Thats a secret unsecret way of saying that they don't support employing it as a real world solution, because solar power has worked

and has been feasible and economically viable for over 20 years.

 

f. Solar power is derived at a specific rate depending on the size of the panel, the efficiency of the absorption of the sunlight, and the amount of

sunlight available.

 

g. Solar power does better at high altitudes because theres less atmospheric interference.

h. Solar Power has very low yields per physical system cost. In order to run a car on Solar energy, you have to panel the entire car,

and in order to run your house on solar energy, you would have to panel your entire rooftop and buy energy saving appliances.

 

i. Solar power is most attractive and useful in a whole energy strategy because it is uniquely mobile. Geothermal wells or Wind

power or tidal power (for obvious reasons) won't run a car directly.

 

j. Solar power could in theory be used to solve the energy crisis almost by itself, by paneling over a very large surface area. This surface area

has been calculated variously, with low estimates ranging in 10 by 10 miles, and high estimates ranging upto 200 by 200 miles.

 

h. The problem with this is that the cost/ benefit analysis shows us that this would be very expensive when compared to a holistic energy strategy.

 

i. Solar power has very low yields when compared to geothermal power.

 

15. Thermal Solar. Thermal Solar is a variation of Solar power with a much cheaper cost, a much lower per square foot yield, and operating at a much simpler technology level.

 

a. About 100 miles by 100 miles (median estimate) of Thermal solar paneling could in theory meet our energy needs.

 

b. Thermal Solar can be done in such a way that it has lower materials costs and lower materials environmental impact.

 

c. Thermal solar involves using light to heat a liquid which creates energy by pushing a turbine when the fluid expands.

 

== 16. Wind Energy. ==

 

 

a. Wind energy is derived from creating large turbines called wind mills.

 

b. Wind mills are generally very large affairs.

 

c. The larger a windmill is, the more energy it creates relative to its overall material cost.

 

d. This means that the cost/ benefit analysis shows that larger windmills are cheaper.

 

e. Windmills create medium yields of energy when they are operating.

 

f. One good large windmill can probably meet the energy needs for perhaps a dozen homes.

 

g. The USA could in theory meet all of its energy needs via wind power, if we invested heavily also in enormous

 

distribution network infrastructure.

 

h. The USA is rich in wind energy compared to most places on the earth.

 

i. The problem with windmills is downtime when theres no wind.

 

j. This is significantly less a problem than with solar downtime due to no sun.

 

k. Wind and Solar together as a team can capitalize on the two extremes of climate, and should thus be employed

 

alternately depending on the location one wishes to provide energy for.

 

l. For instance, Solar power is better in New Mexico, Arizona, California, Texas, And sunny places.

 

J. And yet Wind power is better in places like New Jersey, Oregon,...places alongside the Canada Border.

 

k. The other problem with wind power is that it can create quite an eye sore to look at.

 

l. Wind power also can be very devastating to local bird populations.

 

m. Wind and Solar might be good tandem partners for cities like Denver, where theres lots of wind and lots of sun,

 

but not usually at the same time except for when it is.

 

This allows such a system to generate power in the sunny months with solar and in the winter months with wind.

 

 

 

== 17. Tidal Power ==

 

 

a. Tidal power is derived much like wind power is, from the movement of water instead of air.

 

b. Tidal power is slightly higher in potential yields because water is denser.

 

c. Tidal power would have to be done more or less on remote beaches , probably in large fenced

 

areas to protect the systems from animals and animals and humans from the systems.

 

d. Tidal power is obviously only viable on the coastlines of oceans or very large bodies of water such as lakes.

 

e. Tidal power could in theory meet all of our energy needs.

 

f. The cost/ benefit analysis for tidal power is a bit murky because its a mostly unexplored technology.

 

g. However, proof of concept units do exist and the technology is very simple.

 

h. Tidal power has problems due to the corrosive nature of salt water and erosion.

 

i. Tidal power is unpopular because it ruins one beach per facility.

 

j. Most accessible tidal power exists in the energy of waves.

 

k. Cost/ benefit analysis shows that tidal power can be done out at sea, but it becomes increasingly more expensive the further out

you go to get the power back to land.

 

l. Tidal power is probably a good solution for arctic regions which don't get much sun, and whose wind conditions might on some occasions be too intense,

pulling windmills down.

 

m. Along with Solar power and Wind power, tidal power provides a third leg of medium level yield energy for low materials cost in situations where

geothermal power would be too expensive.

 

 

== 18. Geothermal Power ==

 

 

a. Geothermal power is energy derived from the heat of the earth.

 

b. that heat is on average several miles beneath the surface.

 

c. However, there is a lot of variance in how deep that heat is, and every state has regions where that heat is within a few hundred meters of the surface.

 

d. Geothermal power like wind power becomes cheaper per materials cost the larger the plant is.

 

e. Geothermal power has very high potential yields, and is in fact competitive with nuclear power in terms of sheer yield.

 

f. Geothermal power plants could in theory be built with higher energy yields than nuclear power plants. However, this is not advised or advisable, due to potential tectonic stresses such high energy plants could create.

 

g. In the range around 100th or even 1 tenth the yield energy of a nuclear power station, geothermal power stations could be built which would have virtually no impact on tectonic stresses.

 

h. Tectonic stress is an important variable. Frequently geothermal power is most accessible along fault lines. However, these should be ignored for caldera like situations where the system is not contributing or in danger due to tectonic stresses.

 

i. There are many different ways of configuring a geothermal power station, and only one which this author supports. This is called double circuit closed system geothermal power.

 

j. Double circuit simply means that the water drops on one circuit and the steam comes up on the other.

 

k. Closed circuit means that no water is ever lost in the system, because even the heating element chamber is a well engineered container

 

L. Geothermal power can in theory meet all of our energy needs

 

M. Of the resources available to us, it does this with the cheapest over all cost, the smallest possible ecological footprint, and the highest level of permanency.

 

N. Geothermal power is not a good solution in situations where a small amount of power is needed for small communities or remote estates. It has a high material cost and start up cost to drill the well.

 

O. Geothermal power is theoretically available almost everywhere on the surface of the earth.

 

P. Current oil wells now go as deep as 7, 8, 9 miles deep.

 

Q. Enough Geothermal power is accessible within 200 meters depth to meet all of our energy needs.

 

R. Where larger power sources are wanted in places where that heat is deeper, it is still true that geothermal heat in most places is not deeper than 4 miles.

 

S. In some rare situations where the crust is thick, geothermal power might be as deep as 20 miles.

 

Don't drill there, import the energy from 150 miles away somewhere.

 

== 19. Hydrogen power; ==

 

 

a. Hydrogen power is an up and coming technology which we can expect to see having good strong applications 20 or 30 years from now.

 

b. Hydrogen power is very promising, but currently, its still mostly a way to store energy, not create it.

 

c. The two main exceptions to this are using corrosive rare earth metals to get reactions, and using phased electrical energy to short out the binding force.

 

d. The problem with the former is that the rare earth metal is itself a form of fuel, and that creating it, and "burning" it with water both create toxic

substances as side effects.

 

e. The problem with the latter is containment of the field and what happens when organic matter is exposed to high energy bursts of electricity.

 

f. To the knowledge of this author, water based solutions which continue to use a combustion engine are frauds.

 

g. When Hydrogen becomes a used technology, it will probably be for very large equipment and uses, such as trains, planes, and large boats

 

 

== 20. Hydrolic or Hydro Electric power. ==

 

 

a. This energy is created by damming a river and using falling water to drive a turbine.

 

b. This is incredibly damaging to the ecology.

 

c. Yields are fairly high per materials cost, but, still, hydro electric materials costs are comparable to geothermal power, which doesn't destroy an entire

ecosystem per power plant.

 

d. Hydro electric power does not exist in anywhere near sufficient quantities to meet all of our energy needs.

 

e. This author finds hydro-electric power to be a bad idea all the way around, not even as useful as nuclear power.

 

 

== 21. Nuclear power ==

 

a. Nuclear power (currently) is derived from using rare earth metals in reactions which turn some fraction of those fuels directly into energy.

 

b. The radioactive fuels must be mined, and this results currently in the deaths (and serious health problems) of many Miners.

 

c. Nuclear power currently creates hyper toxic and radio active wastes, which cost money to tend and babysit, and which in an accident

of ignorance 10 thousand years from now could wipe out an entire continents worth of our descendants.

 

d. Nuclear power is in many senses still a futuristic technology with much promise and much potential.

 

e. Thus nuclear power should be studied and refined in the laboratory.

 

f. The focus of such studies should be in finding ways to use non radioactive fuels,

 

finding ways to create dissipating forms of radiation only, and finding ways to eliminate the problem of wastes.

g. Nuclear power is very high yield, but it has exorbitant costs, especially over the long term.

 

h. Compared to Geothermal power, nuclear power is extremely expensive, gets more expensive instead of less expensive over time, is extremely

dangerous, and perhaps most importantly, sooner or later we will run out of nuclear fuels, and still be forced to move on to geothermal power.

 

i. Nuclear power will be most useful for purposes of exploring our solar system and our galaxy.

 

j. There is no good reason to use nuclear power for domestic use considering the other much better alternatives.

 

 

== 22. Zero point energy ==

 

 

a. Zero point energy is derived from quantum phase state fluctuations where energy is created in contradiction to the "laws" of conservation of mass and

energy.

 

b. Zero point energy is a futuristic technology which may become realistic within the next 100 years.

c. Final stage proof of concept zero point energy research should be conducted at least as distant from the earth as the oort cloud, due to the unforseeable nature of potential dangers.

 

d. In theory, zero point energy could create a self sustaining quantum phase reaction which could create nearly unlimited energy in spaces literally too small to be seen by the naked eye.

 

e. Early stage research into zero point energy is the entire field of quantum mechanics, specifically Singularities, branes, and quantum holographics.

 

 

== 23. Summary of findings. ==

 

a. Geothermal, Solar, Wind, Tidal, and Hydrogen Technologies together provide a clear and easy path towards green and sustainable energy.

 

b. Geothermal energy specifically is the solution which a realistic green energy infrastructure should be rooted in.

 

c. It is reasonable to project a total holistic solution in which 80 percent of our energy comes from geothermal, 10 percent from Solar, 5 percent from Wind, and 5 percent from Tidal.

 

d. It is also worth mentioning that electric cars are a current and viable technology.

 

e. This is all of it simply a sumary of known and provable science fact. The only reason why most people don't know all of this is that oil companies

and rich evil jerks have spent billions of dollars to flood the public with propaganda and misinformation.

 

f. The other strategy of the evil empire jerks is to promote energy resources such as biofuels or nuclear power which create a situation of extreme expense so that they can continue to exploit our need for energy in order to make money. A Geothermally based energy infrastructure would provide

extremely cheap energy (especially over the long term) and this would be the death of the energy industry.

 

== References ==

 

 

Geothermal power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

List of renewable energy topics by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Portal:Sustainable development - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Geothermal Education Office - Power From the Earth's Heat

 

Geothermal Energy Association

 

Enhanced Geothermal Resources

 

GEOCEN --IYTE GEOTHERMAL ENERGY* RESEARCH AND APPLICATION CENTER--

 

Deep geothermal power possibly the miracle remedy to the energy crisis and to global warming! But urgent action is needed!

 

News Unfiltered: Expanding Geothermal Power Could Create 100,000 New Jobs, Says Geothermal Energy Association

 

US urged to boost its geothermal power capacity - 23 January 2007 - New Scientist

 

Geothermal Power Plant Triggers Earthquake in Switzerland : TreeHugger

 

All geothermal power options are not equal. Dry rock for instance is a lot more hazardous.

The ideal would simply create a closed circuit with a pooling area at the bottom, and this would not cause

problems like this place did because the water would not be going out into the surrounding rock.

 

Geothermal Energy and Its Advantages

 

CR4 - Thread: Geothermal Power Generation - The sleeping giant?

 

CVO Menu - The Plus Side of Volcanoes

 

Nuclear Power Pro/Con - Geothermal Energy

 

The Great Forgotten Clean-Energy Source: Geothermal | Alternative Energy | DISCOVER Magazine

 

Geothermal Critique

this is just to be fair. It should be noted that this is all about one plant thats operating too close to the magma

and not using double closed circuit.

 

Geothermal power station Stock Photos and Images. 31 geothermal power station pictures and royalty free photography available to search from over 100 stock photo brands.

 

Geothermal Power Plants: An Expensive Way To Generate Clean Electricity - Ecofriend

 

The Energy Blog: Geothermal Power not Just for the Western US

 

GordonMoyes.com » Better than Nuclear?

 

Geothermal power: Definition from Answers.com

 

AltaRock Breaks New Ground With Geothermal Power*:*Greentech Media

 

Technology Review

 

Geothermal. Cheap. Abundant. Cheap. | SolveClimate.com

 

Geothermal: The Other Base Load Power | Alternative Energy Stocks

 

Peak Energy: Engineered Geothermal Power

 

Geothermal Energy Sources 101 -- Seeking Alpha

 

Geothermal Map of North America, 2004

 

Geothermal Technologies Program: U.S. Geothermal Resource Map

 

http://geoheat.oit.edu/images/usmap1.gif

 

http://pesn.com/2007/01/22/9500449_MIT_Geothermal_Report/Geothermal_Map_USA_2004_hj70.jpg

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Geothermal_heat_map_US.png/800px-Geothermal_heat_map_US.png

 

http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/energy/images/2008/01/18/geothermal_power_resouces_map.gif

 

http://www.utpb.edu/ceed/renewableenergy/texas_geothermal_1.jpg

 

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New Tectonic Source of Geothermal Energy?

 

volcan42.jpg Geochemists from the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and Arizona State University have discovered a new tool for identifying potential geothermal energy resources. The discovery came from comparing helium isotopes in samples gathered from wells, springs, and vents across the northern Basin and Range of western North America. High helium ratios are common in volcanic regions. When the investigators found high ratios in places far from volcanism, they knew that hot fluids must be permeating Earth's inner layers by other means. The samples collected on the surface gave the researchers a window into the structure of the rocks far below, with no need to drill.

 

"A good geothermal energy source has three basic requirements: a high thermal gradient—which means accessible hot rock—plus a rechargeable reservoir fluid, usually water, and finally, deep permeable pathways for the fluid to circulate through the hot rock," says Mack Kennedy. "We believe we have found a way to map and quantify zones of permeability deep in the lower crust that result not from volcanic activity but from tectonic activity, the movement of pieces of the Earth's crust."

 

Geothermal is considered by many to be the best renewable energy source besides solar. Accessible geothermal energy in the United States, excluding Alaska and Hawaii, is estimated at 90 quadrillion kilowatt-hours, 3,000 times more than the country's total annual energy consumption. Determining helium ratios from surface measurements is a practical way to locate promising sources.

 

Julia Whitty is Mother Jones' environmental correspondent. You can read from her new book, The Fragile Edge, and other writings, here.

 

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you will always find the worst enemy in the very last place you would ever think to look.

 

"in religion, the ego manifests as the devil, and of course, nobody realizes how smart the ego is because it created the devil

so you could blame someone else."

 

Deepak Chopra

 

"All externalized enemies are merely projections of the internal ego id conflict."

 

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Then thought that I could decipher your message

There's no one here dear

No one at all

 

And if I'm wasting all your time

This time

Maybe you never learned to take

And if I'm hanging on to your shade

I guess I'm way beyond the pale

 

And souther men can grow gold

Can grow pretty

Blood can be pertty

Like a delicate man

Copper to steel to a hinge that is faltered

That let's you in let's you in let's you in

Somethings's just keeping you numb

 

You told me last night

You were a sun now with your very own

 

Devoted satellite

Happy for you

And I am sure that I hate you

Two sons too many too many able fires

 

And if I'm wasting all you time

This time

I think you never learned to take

And if I'm hanging on to your shade

I guess I'm way beyond the pale

(tori amos donut song)

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can you sing yourself a lullabye and ask and angel for a wing?

can you coax a fairy from its tree and let it on your dime then sing?

can you silence all reality and silence into the void

and walk away from the mirror on the insidhe paranoid?

can you whisper wishes to the djinis ,

can you call and inner wind?

 

can you turn and face the reaper,

and listen to that song

and use it to sprout wings from

and then get death to tag along?

 

Can you stop mere simple determinism, from making you its pawn,

can you be more than a demographia statistic in humanities march on?

 

can you leave behind the matrix?

can you talk with a tree?

can you stop being yourself to for a moment consider me?

 

Could you MEET me where i am, or even part the way;

could we make a mad dash for the infinite garden, ?

its a place i like to play...

 

out in the collective unconscious

out in gods mind ocean sea

out beyond the ego attachments

theres a you that can set you free

on wings of infinite godthoughts

to share a moment in gods mind

to know the universe as scalar fractal holomorph

and there yourself as adam kadmon echolation find

 

there is a place thats infinite, where all are terrified and yet yearn to go

where you can know truly anything that you can decide to know

where truth and knowledge and understanding illuminates true second sight

where consciousness is not an ego, but a playground in nyxs night

 

I'd meet you, and i'd show you

how to fly and how to sing

how to remember the growing

of the naguals wings

 

somewhere out where rumi wandered,

somewhere out where carlos casteneda lied

and don juans eagle flied

somewhere out where paradigms get twisted before they disappear in scalar perspectives

beyond where the leviathans tumble in hyper dimensional electives knots

out somewhere past carls sagans pale blue dot

out beyond da'ats apparent not

 

and yet so close it is yet all we truly fear

 

I, and the ally are waiting, and we would welcome you here.

 

"There is practically no end in science, and I think it requires some more humbleness than saying that you just can replace every opinion with facts."

 

 

 

you don't know me very well, do ewe.?

 

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perhaps if you didn't like spam you would be more careful what you made relevant.

 

i personally find it relevant, but then me having a conversation with a forum is my IQ test of it in progress.

 

The more important point in all of this is that we can replace all opinion with facts; and its really not as hard as

doing it as absolutely as I personally have.

 

Knowing even a small fraction of what I know could put you over as an escape for the matrix.

 

its the signal to noise ratio inside of your own skull that counts the most.

Reality or intelligence testing a forum is also about signal to noise ratio.

 

all you guys seem to be able to do is talk about me whilst i murmer at length about the secrets of the universe.

how easy is it for you to join me? and how much easier might it be if instead of fighting me you got used to the general principle

that me knowing all sorts of stuff means we can be nice to each other, not be in an ego contest.

 

But then, whatevas; the comedy gold of the situation is pearls to swine and determinism and humanity, falling off the assorted cliffs of its assorted

dilemmas into the sea like the proverbial lemmings.

 

Civilization and society only hurts itself when it doesn't listen to me; and every struggle in which i try to awaken the collective and it only fights me

still brings us closer to awakening. I can't lose my game because the place i am pointing is where the solutions are; only pain will be caused by not going

to the information, the truth, the understanding.

 

My way out is win win, where i win and everybody else wins sooner or later. The only question is how many "i told you sos" i get to stack.

Their way out is to try to pretend i'm an ego monster when the real truth is the difference between me and them is that i'm comparatively egoless.

 

Lose/lose, anti intellectualism rolls along.

 

Meanwhile, anybody could bother to collect the facts and actually solve the problems in a real way if they'd only run a real live 6 month long problem solving

process. (or, two weeks for aspie mind trip flight time.)

 

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ETHICS General

 

1. Endeavor to do the least possible or no harm to all persons, property, life, liberty, livelihood, environment, self, others, family, community, Country, World, Economies,

Children, Elders, Workers, Voters, and Ecosystems. (And so forth.)

2. Endeavor to make all of ones labor to meet ones own needs also coincide with the maximum energy potential of benefit to others. Practice the law of charity and reap

the rewards of the law of karma. Give your best to others and go the extra mile, for the

good of all, for the benefit of all of ones relations.

3. Emotions derive from primary instincts. Flight renders fear and fight renders Rage.

4. Emotional Energies are best resolved via right action problem solving process, not

allowing emotion to guide or control ones thinking or process.

5. The 1st and second principle applies as a matrix to the whole Needs Pyramid. That Pyramid consists of Physical needs at the base, social needs, emotional needs, mental

needs and spiritual needs at the top.

6. We only move up through the pyramid of needs one need at a time and in order of

priority for survival. Needs are coded as instincts that drive all of human behavior. All

behavior is tactic to meet ones needs. Behavior which harms others or which fails to benefit the whole of society is unethical behavior, but it must be understood to exist

as a psychology which is an instinct attached to a bad problem solving tactic. People

only act to meet their needs, if they act badly, what they need to act better is a better

tactic.

7. Thus do no harm and work for the good of all as you climb your pyramid of needs

and be cognizant of what your needs are, and lucid in terms of having good tactics that

are socially beneficial for meeting your needs.

8. Most morality can be expressed as iterations of the do no harm rule. Do no harm against ones relationship with spirit, Do no harm which would kill another person, do no

harm by stealing or thieving, do no harm by potentially transmitting STDS i.e., law against

Adultery, the list goes on etc; most of the Ten Commandments can be rewritten as specific details of the do no harm rule.

9. Ethics is the process of reconciling the needs of society with the drives of the Reptilian

and Mammalian Brain and thus Ethics are the laws of nature which allow us to exist in

peace as a culture or society instead of continuing the law of the jungle.

10. We are spirits in animal bodies, and there is a law of the jungle under our skins which must be somehow evolved and cultivated into cooperation (and cooperative

process) rather than violence (and violence as a problem solving process.) The law of the jungle is violence. The law of Angels is Cooperation.

11. Everything is connected to everything else, thus anything you do to another you do

to yourself. This becomes increasingly true as the law of karma carries out its permutation selections of what would otherwise be random chance rendering thus

synchronicities.

12. A person cannot obtain waking altered states of consciousness until they resolve

the assorted shadow issues of the Mammalian and Reptilian Mind.

 

 

 

 

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Primum non nocere - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Issues and Concepts

THE GOOD LIFE--Greek Philosophers Teachings

Ethics "for the good of all" - Yahoo! Search Results

The Global Justice Movement - Code of Ethics

 

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Cr/1Cr013.html

1 Corinthians 13

1 Corinthians 13: 1

Bible Dictionary: Charity

1 Corinthians 13 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

A Basic Buddhism Guide: The Law of Karma

Law of KARMA

Karma

Panel: The Law of Karma

Yoga: The Law of Karma

Understanding the law of karma

 

Eye of a needle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Eye of a Needle

The Camel and the Needle's Eye

http://www.shamar.org/articles/camel-needle.php

 

 

Instinct | Define Instinct at Dictionary.com

Instinct - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Schematics – Our Animal Instincts in the Primitive Brain

Do humans have instincts?

http://www.neurosemantics.com/Stuttering/stress_pattern.htm

 

http://www.barrettdorko.com/articles/supress.htm

(PVW) How does the brain produce volition, cognition, and emotions?

 

Maslow's hierarchy of needs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

CRS - NERL THE PYRAMID OF NEEDS: WHY PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY DO

Abraham Maslow's pyramid

Abraham Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs and diagrams of Maslow's motivational theory - pyramid diagrams of Maslow's theory

 

The Reptilian Brain

Cheney Speaks to the Reptile Brain

Culture in Thought and Practice

SERPENT BRAIN

R complex anatomy

HYPERLINK "http://www.geocities.com/somewherereal/YourBrain.html" http://www.geocities.com/somewherereal/YourBrain.html

 

 

PSYCHOLOGY General

1.Psychology is the study of the human mind. Most specifically the psyche, most generally All of human behavior.

2. The human Brain is composed of between 40 and 70 different organs, depending upon

how you define differences. These are called brodmanns brain areas. Each brain area

is responsible for specific types of brain processes and mental functions.

3. The human mind has four main operational conditions, they are beta brainwave states, alpha brainwave states, delta brainwave states, and theta brainwave states. Each of these might be further subdivided into waking or sleeping states of consciousness.

4. Beta brainwave states are those in which the dominant area of the brain is the frontal lobes. Alpha brainwave states are those in which the dominant area of the brain is the Mammalian brain or Occipital lobes, and Delta brainwaves states are those where the brain is dominated by the Reptilian Brain or brain stem. Theta brain wave states are

a second waking condition in which the body is healed, or, in which the normal flow of

dominance from top of brain to bottom of brain is reversed, and the bottom of the brain

loads information into the top, which is then experienced as dreams.

5. We have instincts which compel us to seek out gratification of our needs. All behavior is motivated by a conscious or unconscious belief that said behavior will get some need met.

6. Psychology involves first an instinct, which compels a thought process, and then a planning or strategizing session in which the individual uses their maps of reality and belief systems as well as learned knowledge and social conditioning to arrive at an end

product of doing something to get what you want. Schema are maps of reality which we

use as tools to meet our needs .Social Conditioning and personal experience and learning

play vital roles in helping the mind to think up tactics to meet needs.

7. Criminal behavior is behavior which that person believes will get their needs met. Punishment was well demonstrated to have little or no effect on learning curve. What is required for a person to change their behavior is a functional tactic that does work to get their needs met.

8. Groupthink is a social phenomenon of psychology where a group uses false

consensus process to end up behaving stupidly as a group. Groupthink occurs when

people cave into social pressures, where propaganda replaces knowledge or facts, and where group identity is created out of participation in group delusions, lies, codependency, or criminality. Groupthink is how a mob drifts to the lowest common denominator, and why a mob is potentially vicious, evil, and sociopathic. Group

authority ameliorates and dissolves personal conscience, and by having their emotions

manipulated and their social identity threatened, people give up their own better judgment and accept the judgment of the most psychopathic member of the group.

9. Pack Psychology is the psychology exhibited primarily by mammals in small groups

in which 3 primary roles are assumed by social participants. The roles are Alpha- the leader, Beta- the followers, and Delta- the orbiters. In human society that translates in a super-simplified way into bullies, cliques, and nerds.

10. Problem solving psychology must contend against groupthink and pack psychology in the arena of opinion. Problem solving psychology is emotionally neutral and uses the mind and logic to look at all aspects of a problem and try to come up with a viable problem solving process. Problem solving psychology is the worst enemy of both

Rightist and Leftist Dogmatists. True problem solving psychology comes from the place of the radical middle. It takes in all sides and all viewpoints, and it gives each its fair dues

And attention in creating a problem solving process that works from the big picture down through into the nano details.

 

 

Psychology;

Psychology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Psychology - Student Resources - Psychology Articles

Encyclopedia of Psychology - Psychology Websites

Psychology Wiki

psychology Facts, information, pictures | Encyclopedia.com articles about psychology

Social Psychology Network

 

Brodmanns brain areas and etc;

The Human Brain

Brodmann

Brain Areas

Brodmann area - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of regions in the human brain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tool Module: Brodmann's Cortical Areas

Cerebral Lobes, Cerebral Cortex, and Brodmann's Areas

Neuroscience For Kids - questions/answers 2

 

brainwaves;

http://www.brainwaves.com/brain.html

Brainwaves

Brain wave Functions Alpha  Beta Theta Brainwaves

CrossRoads Institute - Who We Are

Electroencephalography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

SOCIOLOGY General

1. Sociology is the study of groups of people, how they interact, how they create and hold group structures and group identities, how they band together, how they deal with conflicts, and everything that whole groups of people do.

2. Sociology studies social units such as families, packs, tribes, villages, cities, hives, herds, and mobs.

3. The precarious balance of true democracy is that society must balance social welfare and social support and services against the counterweight of free enterprise. If the balance falls off towards social welfare, the society falls into entropy as the government destroys

private enterprise to fund social services. The result is socialism, which always decays into its own form of totalitarianism. If the balance falls off the other way, then free enterprise results in a plutocracy and then an oligarchy followed by mild oligarchic mercantilist fascism and then a severe oligarchic fascism. Socialism is not a whole goal

or endpoint we wish to arrive at, but the system "as is" is out of balance resulting in a corporate oligarchy. The only way to fix this is to return the power back to the people and

restore a genuine democracy.

4. Sociology understands that social phenomenon are very complicated, and that social problems have many underlying contributing causes for any given effect. Oversimplification, blaming, black and white thinking, and false dilemmas do not help to solve problems in a real way.

5. People are conditioned to behave by their social environment. Personal responsibility is important, but where statistics show a trend in negative or antisocial behaviors, Society

as a whole must shoulder some part of the blame and work to improve conditions socially

just as it works to rehabilitate the criminal, so should it seek to rehabilitate itself.

6. People have several layers of personal space, a psychological truth which is mostly subliminal, but which nonetheless governs almost all social interactions. People should learn to consciously understand personal space to cut down on miscommunication and stress due to problems handling personal space issues.

7. The best way to run a democratic system is by using consensus process to the point of

a clear and overwhelming (two thirds) majority. Consensus process means talking about and working out issues and differences to arrive at a mutually beneficial compromise much of the time.

8. The best guardian of the balance between socialism and free enterprise is intellectual meritocracy. A functional society should be free of propaganda, should not have anti-intellectualism, and should consider ideas on their rational merit, not according to what

others have to say or social pressures, but by means of a reproducible rational problem

solving application of intelligence and knowledge.

 

 

Sociology Introduction;

Cengage - Sociology Discipline Home Page

http://www.polity.co.uk/sociology/sociology_txtbks.asp

Sociology | Chapter Summary

http://www.sdsmt.edu/online-courses/is/soc100/Intro.htm

http://www.sdsmt.edu/online-courses/is/soc100/course.html

Introduction to Sociology, 5th Edition

Intro. to Sociology Syllabus

Introduction to Sociology SOCI 2110

 

Types of Government;

Types of Government

CBBC Newsround | TYPES OF GOVERNMENT | Anarchy

What is this type of government like?

Form of government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.twyman-whitney.com/americancitizen/foundations/types_of_government.htm

List of forms of government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Social Conditioning;

Social conditioning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Operant conditioning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How much does disinformation and progadanga play into the social conditioning of society? - Yahoo! Answers

Social learning theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

DailyOM - Going Against What Is Popular

Social psychological conditioning

social hierarchy

 

Pavlov;

Ivan Pavlov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

psyhist.com

IVAN PETROVICH PAVLOV, Behaviorism, Modern Psychology, Governments, and Denial of Man's Mind and Soul

Classical Conditioning

Behaviorism — The Forerunner

TIP: Theories

features of operant conditioning

Operant Conditioning - Introduction to Operant Conditioning

 

 

EDUCATION REFORM General

Curiosity drives learning if it is allowed to do so and not shut down.

Curiosity is shut down via the current system, creating the ADD disorder sudden appearance on the charts. One half of ADD is a person who can’t pay attention. The other half is a boring culture, delivery of information modus

operandi.

Curiosity driven learning involves more brain area participation. If a person doesn’t really like their experience, the subconscious mind edits it and doesn’t learn from it. Using curiosity driven learning potentially accelerates the learning curve such that it would not be unreasonable for the society of the future to expect the equivalent of a multiple PhD education from High School.

The largest obstacle to curiosity driven learning is the current student to teacher ratio. Curiosity driven learning requires a personal curriculum to be developed per child, an enormous labor process for most teachers. The cure is to use peer tutoring, and older child tutoring in conjunction with professional testers. Teachers are being asked do two different jobs, Teaching and Testing. Testing is incredibly underutilized. How can you know what a child is ready to learn if you have not learned from them who they are and what they know already?

The second largest obstacle is a lazy educational system which must be corrected

and re-educated itself. The educational paradigm being taught for use is not the one which is being taught in reform education psychology and sociology classes.

The first battery of tests should be; IQ tests, aptitude tests, Sanity tests, Type of intelligence per intelligence tests, learning style tests, performance tests, peer skills tests, comprehensive topical subject tests, and in general, any test which can be used to effectively appraise an individual child for the purposes of creating for that child a personalized curriculum.

The topics of psychology, sociology, conversational logic, and ethics should be added to the current curriculum for all Middle School (ages 12 to 14 or grades 6 thru 8) and High Schools

Personality differences including learning styles and Types of intelligence

Can mean that people learn in very different ways. Groups of students should be organized without regard so much to age as to learning style. A class full of visual

Learners from 3 age groups is better than a class full of kinesthetic learners and visual learners who find each other distracting and each others interactions with the teacher bizarre. Throw in some introverts and some extroverts and a speed-reader or two, and a teachers modus operandi cannot hope to reach well the different types of Students that s/he is teaching.

10. Our society is composed of a population which is by about 50 percent Anti-intellectual. (As part of a deep and long term attempt at denial of science facts)

The sheeple will crucify the nerds, that’s the end result of pack psychology and anti-intellectualist mob events. Both alleged “Sides” in the great orchestrated argument between left and right are delusional dogmatist simple minded over simplified versions of reality, oversimplified problem solving process, and thus oversimplified and therefore

Usually counterproductive pseudo solutions. Polarity does not contain sanity, both sides are polarized via each other, but the line that connects those two dots at no point in time Ever gets around to the big picture or the whole truth. Evolution and mother nature will on the other hand favor the nerds.

 

Education reform;

Education reform - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www1.worldbank.org/education/globaleducationreform/

Education Reform: The Tough Standards Movement

Open Directory - Society: Issues: Education: Education Reform

 

Curiousity driven Learning

http://www.csl.sony.fr/~py/developmentalRobotics.htm

WHAT'S INTERESTING? ACTIVE EXPLORATION - CURIOSITY-DRIVEN REINFORCEMENT LEARNING - ARTIFICIAL CURIOSITY - INTRINSIC REWARD - INTRINSIC MOTIVATION - ARTIFICIAL CREATIVITY - LIFELONG DATA COMPRESSION - FORMAL THEORY OF SURPRISE - FORMAL THEORY OF NOVEL

http://www.childtrauma.org/ctamaterials/Curiosity.asp

Curiosity and Exploration

 

 

Types of Intelligence;

Neuroscience Of Intelligence

Learnng Styles take your test.

Theory of multiple intelligences - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Learning Styles;

Learning Styles

Index of Learning Styles

Learning Styles

Learning styles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Learning Styles

 

Student Teacher Ratio:

edspresso

Center for Education Reform - K-12 Facts

Jesse Ventura On Student/Teacher Ratios

 

Anti Intellectualism;

Anti-intellectualism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Renaissance of Anti-Intellectualism - Archives - The Chronicle of Higher Education

Amazon.com: Anti-Intellectualism in American Life (9780394703176): Richard Hofstadter: Books http://www.amazon.com/Anti-Intellectualism-American-Life-Richard-Hofstadter/dp/0394703170

Deep thinkers missing in action / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com

Student Anti-Intellectualism

Anti-intellectualism | Way of the Mind

https://urresearch.rochester.edu/retrieve/6552/Anti-Intellectualism.pdf

http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2007/02/04/reorganization_plan_calls_for_higher_student_teacher_ratios/?rss_id=Boston.com+--+Maine+news

 

CIVIL ENGINEERING General

Civil Engineering is about how to build society or civilization from the nuts and bolts pragmatic perspective. A civil engineer is unconcerned with personally understanding

The social impact of their work unless they are specifically asked to think about that.

Rather, what a Civil engineer thinks about is how to build a structure, have it last, have

It mesh with its environment, have water flow around it, have wind not push it over. A Civil Engineer builds what society asks for generally, adding the details that make a description into an operational reality.

Many social and civil problems have civil engineering components. Energy usage

And creation, for instance, has both a social and a civil level as problems to be solved. Zoning laws and other social considerations limit what a civil engineer can do. And, rightly, civil engineering realities create limits for sociologists. Civil engineers are concerned with how efficiently resources are used, how much load a structure can bear, how well a structure accommodates traffic, and other details such as environmental impact.

Civil Engineering has aesthetic components, resource management components, construction components, and other issues which must be juggled for a good overall design and implementation.

Serious solutions for assorted problems are implied by depth understanding of civil engineering issues. Poverty for instance can in theory be out civil engineered by building the structures that are needed to house people, employment, education, and social welfare systems. The solution for instance to the Palestinian problem once diplomacy has finished is civil engineering; building the new State of Palestine and simultaneously building a strong Israel. Eco Villages, Tribal Arcologies, Permaculture,

Cable cars, Solar power, Geothermal power, Wind power, Tidal power, and other such

Civil engineering solutions can solve myriads of problems that would be untenable from the sociologist’s desk alone. Simultaneously, Good civil engineering requires us to be honest about things that don’t work, such as fossil fuels, bio-fuels, nuclear power, hydroelectric power from rivers and dams, and individualized mass transportation.

Ideally, most people should live in communities rather than in nuclear families

Cut off from community support, and communities should maintain community gardens

And local employment to increase the efficiency of civilization as a whole.

 

Civil Engineering;

Civil engineering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

iCivilEngineer.com - The Civil Engineering Portal

https://engineering.purdue.edu/CE/

Welcome, Civil Engineering UNM

Category:Civil engineering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Civil Engineering

 

 

 

Economic Social Justice;

Social justice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

indymedia.us :: economic justice

CommonDreams.org | To inform. To inspire. To ignite change for the common good.

Defining Economic Justice and Social Justice.

Center for Economic and Social Justice Home Page.

 

 

Eco-Village;

gaia.org

Global Ecovillage Network

Eco Sustainable Village

Ecovillage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Arcologies;

Arcology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Arcosanti : Theory : Arcology

arcology.com

Halfbakery: Self-sufficient Arcologies

 

Permaculture;

Introduction to Permaculture: Concepts and Resources

Permaculture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

About Permaculture -- Definitions

About Permaculture -- A Brief Introduction

Permaculture Institute

 

 

Cable Cars;

Cable car - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cable Cars

The Cable Car Home Page

History of Cable Cars, Pictures, Photos, Stock Images, Posters, Transportation: Rail; San Francisco, Photographs by Wernher Krutein

 

Solar Power;

Solar power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Solar Electric Power Association (SEPA) Website

http://www.montanagreenpower.com/solar/index.html

 

Geothermal Power

Geothermal Education Office - Power From the Earth's Heat

Geothermal power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Geothermal Technologies Program: Hydrothermal Power Systems

Geothermal Education Office

Geothermal power gets boost in Senate - Green Machines- msnbc.com

 

Wind Power;

Wind power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.otherpower.com/otherpower_wind.html

 

Tidal Power;

Tidal power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tidal Power - How Tidal Power Plants Work

http://waterpower.hypermart.net/tidal.html

Tidal power

 

POLITICAL SCIENCE General

What kind of government does the USA have? What kind of government does Santa Barbara have? Because while it is intended to be an approximation of democracy, via

The process of representation, how much representation does the common person have

In a false dilemma war between republican and democrat? How much access do we have

To our representation? How much does our representation really work to represent us? And are they loyal to the people, or, are they loyal to that fraction of the people who can afford to belong to the aristocrat class? In theory, the political process is where and how society codes ethics and social and civil engineering into actual laws and rules and actions of the government. Politics might be defined as that sphere of social reality devoted to government, and in a democracy, Political science becomes the complicated process of getting social participants to fully invest in their own self governance.

Political science is thus about the cycle of communication, ideation, and manifestation of social and civil self administration. In America, this is a dialogue allegedly between any and all, but in reality, it is a monologue with two sock puppets

Taking up all of the air space. What difference is there between the $rich$ leftists and the

$rich$ rightists? Both rule over the under-caste of laborers and Workers, who in truth end up having little or no say in government. The masses are drowned out by two sock puppets screaming at each other.

Political Science combines all other sciences in one way or another. It involves Ethics, Morality, Physics, Architecture, Psychology, Sociology, Law, communications, Logic, and in one way or another every other science or paradigm. The subtopics of Political science are therefore Political Science sub all of the other Sciences and paradigms. But do our representatives have the information they need to juggle so many

Problems and issues? Do we as a society have a problem solving process, and are we solving problems? Or are we mostly making social problems worse by complicating society?

Perhaps more importantly, all of the sciences have bearing on Political Science.

Communications theory gives us solutions to most problems in government which we simply fail to employ. Civil Engineering tells us with mathematical certainty what the

Consequences are of building or failing to build any given thing. Sociology has the answers easily to almost all serious social problems. Hard Science can solve the energy

Crunch. The problem is that people are allowing money to make the decisions, not a lucid

Problem solving process. The problem is that the answers the sciences have to give us are being ignored, so that power hungry fools can continue to stay on top of their power-play games, and stay cozy, unaffected by truth or knowledge or reason.

All opinions were not created equal. The perspective of a sociologist is simply a more well formed perspective than a laypersons is if we are to seriously consider solving social problems. Opinion is based in emotions, in simplifications, and usually, in leftist or rightist sponsored propaganda. But neither left nor right side is interested in solving problems, as much as they are trapped in a net of their own making of lies they told themselves often enough that they believed them. The saddest part of ignorance is that if

People would just slow down, they could take the time to educate themselves.

 

Political Science;

Political science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Free Online MIT Course Materials | Political Science | MIT OpenCourseWare

The American Political Science Association

political science -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

 

Propaganda

Propaganda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

propaganda critic: index of site dedicated to propaganda analysis

Propaganda - SourceWatch

http://www.esrnational.org/whatispropaganda.htm

propaganda -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

What is propaganda? Is this war just an exercise in propaganda at the expense of the unwitting IRACies? - Yahoo! Answers

Propaganda techniques - SourceWatch

Propaganda Techniques

Propaganda Techniques

Propaganda Techniques in Literature and Online Political Ads - ReadWriteThink

 

Types of government;

Types of Government

CBBC Newsround | TYPES OF GOVERNMENT | Anarchy

What is this type of government like?

Form of government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.twyman-whitney.com/americancitizen/foundations/types_of_government.htm

List of forms of government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

 

 

 

 

Oligarchy;

Oligarchy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

oligarchy (government) -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

Bartleby.com: Great Books Online -- Quotes, Poems, Novels, Classics and hundreds more

Oligarchy | Define Oligarchy at Dictionary.com

Oligarchy USA - And you thought you lived in a democracy.

404 Error - The Atlantic

Home - Democracy Matters

AMERICAN OLIGARCHY

http://www.shoutwire.com/comments/15598/The_American_Decline_Into_a_Two_Tiered_Theocratic_Oligarchy

On Oligarchy

 

Class warfare;

Class Warfare - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bogus "Class Warfare" Charge

http://www.disenchanted.com/dis/technology/class-warfare.html

Class Warfare By (Fuzzy) Numbers

In Class Warfare, Guess Which Class Is Winning - New York Times

What is wrong with class warfare? - Yahoo! Answers

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you will always find the worst enemy in the very last place you would ever think to look.

 

"in religion, the ego manifests as the devil, and of course, nobody realizes how smart the ego is because it created the devil

so you could blame someone else."

 

Deepak Chopra

 

"All externalized enemies are merely projections of the internal ego id conflict."

 

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Then thought that I could decipher your message

There's no one here dear

No one at all

 

And if I'm wasting all your time

This time

Maybe you never learned to take

And if I'm hanging on to your shade

I guess I'm way beyond the pale

 

And souther men can grow gold

Can grow pretty

Blood can be pertty

Like a delicate man

Copper to steel to a hinge that is faltered

That let's you in let's you in let's you in

Somethings's just keeping you numb

 

You told me last night

You were a sun now with your very own

 

Devoted satellite

Happy for you

And I am sure that I hate you

Two sons too many too many able fires

 

And if I'm wasting all you time

This time

I think you never learned to take

And if I'm hanging on to your shade

I guess I'm way beyond the pale

(tori amos donut song)

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can you sing yourself a lullabye and ask and angel for a wing?

can you coax a fairy from its tree and let it on your dime then sing?

can you silence all reality and silence into the void

and walk away from the mirror on the insidhe paranoid?

can you whisper wishes to the djinis ,

can you call and inner wind?

 

can you turn and face the reaper,

and listen to that song

and use it to sprout wings from

and then get death to tag along?

 

Can you stop mere simple determinism, from making you its pawn,

can you be more than a demographia statistic in humanities march on?

 

can you leave behind the matrix?

can you talk with a tree?

can you stop being yourself to for a moment consider me?

 

Could you MEET me where i am, or even part the way;

could we make a mad dash for the infinite garden, ?

its a place i like to play...

 

out in the collective unconscious

out in gods mind ocean sea

out beyond the ego attachments

theres a you that can set you free

on wings of infinite godthoughts

to share a moment in gods mind

to know the universe as scalar fractal holomorph

and there yourself as adam kadmon echolation find

 

there is a place thats infinite, where all are terrified and yet yearn to go

where you can know truly anything that you can decide to know

where truth and knowledge and understanding illuminates true second sight

where consciousness is not an ego, but a playground in nyxs night

 

I'd meet you, and i'd show you

how to fly and how to sing

how to remember the growing

of the naguals wings

 

somewhere out where rumi wandered,

somewhere out where carlos casteneda lied

and don juans eagle flied

somewhere out where paradigms get twisted before they disappear in scalar perspectives

beyond where the leviathans tumble in hyper dimensional electives knots

out somewhere past carls sagans pale blue dot

out beyond da'ats apparent not

 

and yet so close it is yet all we truly fear

 

I, and the ally are waiting, and we would welcome you here.

 

"There is practically no end in science, and I think it requires some more humbleness than saying that you just can replace every opinion with facts."

 

 

 

you don't know me very well, do ewe.?

 

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. ... re=related

 

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perhaps if you didn't like spam you would be more careful what you made relevant.

 

i personally find it relevant, but then me having a conversation with a forum is my IQ test of it in progress.

 

The more important point in all of this is that we can replace all opinion with facts; and its really not as hard as

doing it as absolutely as I personally have.

 

Knowing even a small fraction of what I know could put you over as an escape for the matrix.

 

its the signal to noise ratio inside of your own skull that counts the most.

Reality or intelligence testing a forum is also about signal to noise ratio.

 

all you guys seem to be able to do is talk about me whilst i murmer at length about the secrets of the universe.

how easy is it for you to join me? and how much easier might it be if instead of fighting me you got used to the general principle

that me knowing all sorts of stuff means we can be nice to each other, not be in an ego contest.

 

But then, whatevas; the comedy gold of the situation is pearls to swine and determinism and humanity, falling off the assorted cliffs of its assorted

dilemmas into the sea like the proverbial lemmings.

 

Civilization and society only hurts itself when it doesn't listen to me; and every struggle in which i try to awaken the collective and it only fights me

still brings us closer to awakening. I can't lose my game because the place i am pointing is where the solutions are; only pain will be caused by not going

to the information, the truth, the understanding.

 

My way out is win win, where i win and everybody else wins sooner or later. The only question is how many "i told you sos" i get to stack.

Their way out is to try to pretend i'm an ego monster when the real truth is the difference between me and them is that i'm comparatively egoless.

 

Lose/lose, anti intellectualism rolls along.

 

Meanwhile, anybody could bother to collect the facts and actually solve the problems in a real way if they'd only run a real live 6 month long problem solving

process. (or, two weeks for aspie mind trip flight time.)

 

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ETHICS General

 

1. Endeavor to do the least possible or no harm to all persons, property, life, liberty, livelihood, environment, self, others, family, community, Country, World, Economies,

Children, Elders, Workers, Voters, and Ecosystems. (And so forth.)

2. Endeavor to make all of ones labor to meet ones own needs also coincide with the maximum energy potential of benefit to others. Practice the law of charity and reap

the rewards of the law of karma. Give your best to others and go the extra mile, for the

good of all, for the benefit of all of ones relations.

3. Emotions derive from primary instincts. Flight renders fear and fight renders Rage.

4. Emotional Energies are best resolved via right action problem solving process, not

allowing emotion to guide or control ones thinking or process.

5. The 1st and second principle applies as a matrix to the whole Needs Pyramid. That Pyramid consists of Physical needs at the base, social needs, emotional needs, mental

needs and spiritual needs at the top.

6. We only move up through the pyramid of needs one need at a time and in order of

priority for survival. Needs are coded as instincts that drive all of human behavior. All

behavior is tactic to meet ones needs. Behavior which harms others or which fails to benefit the whole of society is unethical behavior, but it must be understood to exist

as a psychology which is an instinct attached to a bad problem solving tactic. People

only act to meet their needs, if they act badly, what they need to act better is a better

tactic.

7. Thus do no harm and work for the good of all as you climb your pyramid of needs

and be cognizant of what your needs are, and lucid in terms of having good tactics that

are socially beneficial for meeting your needs.

8. Most morality can be expressed as iterations of the do no harm rule. Do no harm against ones relationship with spirit, Do no harm which would kill another person, do no

harm by stealing or thieving, do no harm by potentially transmitting STDS i.e., law against

Adultery, the list goes on etc; most of the Ten Commandments can be rewritten as specific details of the do no harm rule.

9. Ethics is the process of reconciling the needs of society with the drives of the Reptilian

and Mammalian Brain and thus Ethics are the laws of nature which allow us to exist in

peace as a culture or society instead of continuing the law of the jungle.

10. We are spirits in animal bodies, and there is a law of the jungle under our skins which must be somehow evolved and cultivated into cooperation (and cooperative

process) rather than violence (and violence as a problem solving process.) The law of the jungle is violence. The law of Angels is Cooperation.

11. Everything is connected to everything else, thus anything you do to another you do

to yourself. This becomes increasingly true as the law of karma carries out its permutation selections of what would otherwise be random chance rendering thus

synchronicities.

12. A person cannot obtain waking altered states of consciousness until they resolve

the assorted shadow issues of the Mammalian and Reptilian Mind.

 

 

 

 

Ethics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

University of Chicago Press - Cookie absent

Permanently Moved to new URL: http://www.iep.utm.edu/ethics/

What is Ethics?

Ethics Updates Home Page.  Moral theory; relativism; pluralism; religion; egoism; utilitarianism; deontology; duty; human rights; anti-theory; gender; race; multiculturalism;

Do No Harm

NOW . Do No Harm? . When Law and Ethics Collide - Why Physicians Participate in Executions . 7.14.06 | PBS

 

 

Primum non nocere - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Conservation Magazine » Blog Archive » Do No Harm

Issues and Concepts

THE GOOD LIFE--Greek Philosophers Teachings

Ethics "for the good of all" - Yahoo! Search Results

The Global Justice Movement - Code of Ethics

 

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Cr/1Cr013.html

1 Corinthians 13

1 Corinthians 13: 1

Bible Dictionary: Charity

1 Corinthians 13 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

A Basic Buddhism Guide: The Law of Karma

Law of KARMA

Karma

Panel: The Law of Karma

Yoga: The Law of Karma

Understanding the law of karma

 

Eye of a needle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Eye of a Needle

The Camel and the Needle's Eye

http://www.shamar.org/articles/camel-needle.php

 

 

Instinct | Define Instinct at Dictionary.com

Instinct - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Schematics – Our Animal Instincts in the Primitive Brain

Do humans have instincts?

http://www.neurosemantics.com/Stuttering/stress_pattern.htm

 

http://www.barrettdorko.com/articles/supress.htm

(PVW) How does the brain produce volition, cognition, and emotions?

 

Maslow's hierarchy of needs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

CRS - NERL THE PYRAMID OF NEEDS: WHY PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY DO

Abraham Maslow's pyramid

Abraham Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs and diagrams of Maslow's motivational theory - pyramid diagrams of Maslow's theory

 

The Reptilian Brain

Cheney Speaks to the Reptile Brain

Culture in Thought and Practice

SERPENT BRAIN

R complex anatomy

HYPERLINK "http://www.geocities.com/somewherereal/YourBrain.html" http://www.geocities.com/somewherereal/YourBrain.html

 

 

PSYCHOLOGY General

1.Psychology is the study of the human mind. Most specifically the psyche, most generally All of human behavior.

2. The human Brain is composed of between 40 and 70 different organs, depending upon

how you define differences. These are called brodmanns brain areas. Each brain area

is responsible for specific types of brain processes and mental functions.

3. The human mind has four main operational conditions, they are beta brainwave states, alpha brainwave states, delta brainwave states, and theta brainwave states. Each of these might be further subdivided into waking or sleeping states of consciousness.

4. Beta brainwave states are those in which the dominant area of the brain is the frontal lobes. Alpha brainwave states are those in which the dominant area of the brain is the Mammalian brain or Occipital lobes, and Delta brainwaves states are those where the brain is dominated by the Reptilian Brain or brain stem. Theta brain wave states are

a second waking condition in which the body is healed, or, in which the normal flow of

dominance from top of brain to bottom of brain is reversed, and the bottom of the brain

loads information into the top, which is then experienced as dreams.

5. We have instincts which compel us to seek out gratification of our needs. All behavior is motivated by a conscious or unconscious belief that said behavior will get some need met.

6. Psychology involves first an instinct, which compels a thought process, and then a planning or strategizing session in which the individual uses their maps of reality and belief systems as well as learned knowledge and social conditioning to arrive at an end

product of doing something to get what you want. Schema are maps of reality which we

use as tools to meet our needs .Social Conditioning and personal experience and learning

play vital roles in helping the mind to think up tactics to meet needs.

7. Criminal behavior is behavior which that person believes will get their needs met. Punishment was well demonstrated to have little or no effect on learning curve. What is required for a person to change their behavior is a functional tactic that does work to get their needs met.

8. Groupthink is a social phenomenon of psychology where a group uses false

consensus process to end up behaving stupidly as a group. Groupthink occurs when

people cave into social pressures, where propaganda replaces knowledge or facts, and where group identity is created out of participation in group delusions, lies, codependency, or criminality. Groupthink is how a mob drifts to the lowest common denominator, and why a mob is potentially vicious, evil, and sociopathic. Group

authority ameliorates and dissolves personal conscience, and by having their emotions

manipulated and their social identity threatened, people give up their own better judgment and accept the judgment of the most psychopathic member of the group.

9. Pack Psychology is the psychology exhibited primarily by mammals in small groups

in which 3 primary roles are assumed by social participants. The roles are Alpha- the leader, Beta- the followers, and Delta- the orbiters. In human society that translates in a super-simplified way into bullies, cliques, and nerds.

10. Problem solving psychology must contend against groupthink and pack psychology in the arena of opinion. Problem solving psychology is emotionally neutral and uses the mind and logic to look at all aspects of a problem and try to come up with a viable problem solving process. Problem solving psychology is the worst enemy of both

Rightist and Leftist Dogmatists. True problem solving psychology comes from the place of the radical middle. It takes in all sides and all viewpoints, and it gives each its fair dues

And attention in creating a problem solving process that works from the big picture down through into the nano details.

 

 

Psychology;

Psychology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Psychology - Student Resources - Psychology Articles

Encyclopedia of Psychology - Psychology Websites

Psychology Wiki

psychology Facts, information, pictures | Encyclopedia.com articles about psychology

Social Psychology Network

 

Brodmanns brain areas and etc;

The Human Brain

Brodmann

Brain Areas

Brodmann area - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of regions in the human brain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tool Module: Brodmann's Cortical Areas

Cerebral Lobes, Cerebral Cortex, and Brodmann's Areas

Neuroscience For Kids - questions/answers 2

 

brainwaves;

http://www.brainwaves.com/brain.html

Brainwaves

Brain wave Functions Alpha  Beta Theta Brainwaves

CrossRoads Institute - Who We Are

Electroencephalography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

SOCIOLOGY General

1. Sociology is the study of groups of people, how they interact, how they create and hold group structures and group identities, how they band together, how they deal with conflicts, and everything that whole groups of people do.

2. Sociology studies social units such as families, packs, tribes, villages, cities, hives, herds, and mobs.

3. The precarious balance of true democracy is that society must balance social welfare and social support and services against the counterweight of free enterprise. If the balance falls off towards social welfare, the society falls into entropy as the government destroys

private enterprise to fund social services. The result is socialism, which always decays into its own form of totalitarianism. If the balance falls off the other way, then free enterprise results in a plutocracy and then an oligarchy followed by mild oligarchic mercantilist fascism and then a severe oligarchic fascism. Socialism is not a whole goal

or endpoint we wish to arrive at, but the system "as is" is out of balance resulting in a corporate oligarchy. The only way to fix this is to return the power back to the people and

restore a genuine democracy.

4. Sociology understands that social phenomenon are very complicated, and that social problems have many underlying contributing causes for any given effect. Oversimplification, blaming, black and white thinking, and false dilemmas do not help to solve problems in a real way.

5. People are conditioned to behave by their social environment. Personal responsibility is important, but where statistics show a trend in negative or antisocial behaviors, Society

as a whole must shoulder some part of the blame and work to improve conditions socially

just as it works to rehabilitate the criminal, so should it seek to rehabilitate itself.

6. People have several layers of personal space, a psychological truth which is mostly subliminal, but which nonetheless governs almost all social interactions. People should learn to consciously understand personal space to cut down on miscommunication and stress due to problems handling personal space issues.

7. The best way to run a democratic system is by using consensus process to the point of

a clear and overwhelming (two thirds) majority. Consensus process means talking about and working out issues and differences to arrive at a mutually beneficial compromise much of the time.

8. The best guardian of the balance between socialism and free enterprise is intellectual meritocracy. A functional society should be free of propaganda, should not have anti-intellectualism, and should consider ideas on their rational merit, not according to what

others have to say or social pressures, but by means of a reproducible rational problem

solving application of intelligence and knowledge.

 

 

Sociology Introduction;

Cengage - Sociology Discipline Home Page

http://www.polity.co.uk/sociology/sociology_txtbks.asp

Sociology | Chapter Summary

http://www.sdsmt.edu/online-courses/is/soc100/Intro.htm

http://www.sdsmt.edu/online-courses/is/soc100/course.html

Introduction to Sociology, 5th Edition

Intro. to Sociology Syllabus

Introduction to Sociology SOCI 2110

 

Types of Government;

Types of Government

CBBC Newsround | TYPES OF GOVERNMENT | Anarchy

What is this type of government like?

Form of government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.twyman-whitney.com/americancitizen/foundations/types_of_government.htm

List of forms of government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Social Conditioning;

Social conditioning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Operant conditioning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How much does disinformation and progadanga play into the social conditioning of society? - Yahoo! Answers

Social learning theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

DailyOM - Going Against What Is Popular

Social psychological conditioning

social hierarchy

 

Pavlov;

Ivan Pavlov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

psyhist.com

IVAN PETROVICH PAVLOV, Behaviorism, Modern Psychology, Governments, and Denial of Man's Mind and Soul

Classical Conditioning

Behaviorism — The Forerunner

TIP: Theories

features of operant conditioning

Operant Conditioning - Introduction to Operant Conditioning

 

 

EDUCATION REFORM General

Curiosity drives learning if it is allowed to do so and not shut down.

Curiosity is shut down via the current system, creating the ADD disorder sudden appearance on the charts. One half of ADD is a person who can’t pay attention. The other half is a boring culture, delivery of information modus

operandi.

Curiosity driven learning involves more brain area participation. If a person doesn’t really like their experience, the subconscious mind edits it and doesn’t learn from it. Using curiosity driven learning potentially accelerates the learning curve such that it would not be unreasonable for the society of the future to expect the equivalent of a multiple PhD education from High School.

The largest obstacle to curiosity driven learning is the current student to teacher ratio. Curiosity driven learning requires a personal curriculum to be developed per child, an enormous labor process for most teachers. The cure is to use peer tutoring, and older child tutoring in conjunction with professional testers. Teachers are being asked do two different jobs, Teaching and Testing. Testing is incredibly underutilized. How can you know what a child is ready to learn if you have not learned from them who they are and what they know already?

The second largest obstacle is a lazy educational system which must be corrected

and re-educated itself. The educational paradigm being taught for use is not the one which is being taught in reform education psychology and sociology classes.

The first battery of tests should be; IQ tests, aptitude tests, Sanity tests, Type of intelligence per intelligence tests, learning style tests, performance tests, peer skills tests, comprehensive topical subject tests, and in general, any test which can be used to effectively appraise an individual child for the purposes of creating for that child a personalized curriculum.

The topics of psychology, sociology, conversational logic, and ethics should be added to the current curriculum for all Middle School (ages 12 to 14 or grades 6 thru 8) and High Schools

Personality differences including learning styles and Types of intelligence

Can mean that people learn in very different ways. Groups of students should be organized without regard so much to age as to learning style. A class full of visual

Learners from 3 age groups is better than a class full of kinesthetic learners and visual learners who find each other distracting and each others interactions with the teacher bizarre. Throw in some introverts and some extroverts and a speed-reader or two, and a teachers modus operandi cannot hope to reach well the different types of Students that s/he is teaching.

10. Our society is composed of a population which is by about 50 percent Anti-intellectual. (As part of a deep and long term attempt at denial of science facts)

The sheeple will crucify the nerds, that’s the end result of pack psychology and anti-intellectualist mob events. Both alleged “Sides” in the great orchestrated argument between left and right are delusional dogmatist simple minded over simplified versions of reality, oversimplified problem solving process, and thus oversimplified and therefore

Usually counterproductive pseudo solutions. Polarity does not contain sanity, both sides are polarized via each other, but the line that connects those two dots at no point in time Ever gets around to the big picture or the whole truth. Evolution and mother nature will on the other hand favor the nerds.

 

Education reform;

Education reform - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www1.worldbank.org/education/globaleducationreform/

Education Reform: The Tough Standards Movement

Open Directory - Society: Issues: Education: Education Reform

 

Curiousity driven Learning

http://www.csl.sony.fr/~py/developmentalRobotics.htm

WHAT'S INTERESTING? ACTIVE EXPLORATION - CURIOSITY-DRIVEN REINFORCEMENT LEARNING - ARTIFICIAL CURIOSITY - INTRINSIC REWARD - INTRINSIC MOTIVATION - ARTIFICIAL CREATIVITY - LIFELONG DATA COMPRESSION - FORMAL THEORY OF SURPRISE - FORMAL THEORY OF NOVEL

http://www.childtrauma.org/ctamaterials/Curiosity.asp

Curiosity and Exploration

 

 

Types of Intelligence;

Neuroscience Of Intelligence

Learnng Styles take your test.

Theory of multiple intelligences - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Learning Styles;

Learning Styles

Index of Learning Styles

Learning Styles

Learning styles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Learning Styles

 

Student Teacher Ratio:

edspresso

Center for Education Reform - K-12 Facts

Jesse Ventura On Student/Teacher Ratios

 

Anti Intellectualism;

Anti-intellectualism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Renaissance of Anti-Intellectualism - Archives - The Chronicle of Higher Education

Amazon.com: Anti-Intellectualism in American Life (9780394703176): Richard Hofstadter: Books

Deep thinkers missing in action / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com

Student Anti-Intellectualism

Anti-intellectualism | Way of the Mind

https://urresearch.rochester.edu/retrieve/6552/Anti-Intellectualism.pdf

http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2007/02/04/reorganization_plan_calls_for_higher_student_teacher_ratios/?rss_id=Boston.com+--+Maine+news

 

CIVIL ENGINEERING General

Civil Engineering is about how to build society or civilization from the nuts and bolts pragmatic perspective. A civil engineer is unconcerned with personally understanding

The social impact of their work unless they are specifically asked to think about that.

Rather, what a Civil engineer thinks about is how to build a structure, have it last, have

It mesh with its environment, have water flow around it, have wind not push it over. A Civil Engineer builds what society asks for generally, adding the details that make a description into an operational reality.

Many social and civil problems have civil engineering components. Energy usage

And creation, for instance, has both a social and a civil level as problems to be solved. Zoning laws and other social considerations limit what a civil engineer can do. And, rightly, civil engineering realities create limits for sociologists. Civil engineers are concerned with how efficiently resources are used, how much load a structure can bear, how well a structure accommodates traffic, and other details such as environmental impact.

Civil Engineering has aesthetic components, resource management components, construction components, and other issues which must be juggled for a good overall design and implementation.

Serious solutions for assorted problems are implied by depth understanding of civil engineering issues. Poverty for instance can in theory be out civil engineered by building the structures that are needed to house people, employment, education, and social welfare systems. The solution for instance to the Palestinian problem once diplomacy has finished is civil engineering; building the new State of Palestine and simultaneously building a strong Israel. Eco Villages, Tribal Arcologies, Permaculture,

Cable cars, Solar power, Geothermal power, Wind power, Tidal power, and other such

Civil engineering solutions can solve myriads of problems that would be untenable from the sociologist’s desk alone. Simultaneously, Good civil engineering requires us to be honest about things that don’t work, such as fossil fuels, bio-fuels, nuclear power, hydroelectric power from rivers and dams, and individualized mass transportation.

Ideally, most people should live in communities rather than in nuclear families

Cut off from community support, and communities should maintain community gardens

And local employment to increase the efficiency of civilization as a whole.

 

Civil Engineering;

Civil engineering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

iCivilEngineer.com - The Civil Engineering Portal

https://engineering.purdue.edu/CE/

Welcome, Civil Engineering UNM

Category:Civil engineering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Civil Engineering

 

 

 

Economic Social Justice;

Social justice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

indymedia.us :: economic justice

CommonDreams.org | To inform. To inspire. To ignite change for the common good.

Defining Economic Justice and Social Justice.

Center for Economic and Social Justice Home Page.

 

 

Eco-Village;

gaia.org

Global Ecovillage Network

Eco Sustainable Village

Ecovillage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Arcologies;

Arcology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Arcosanti : Theory : Arcology

arcology.com

Halfbakery: Self-sufficient Arcologies

 

Permaculture;

Introduction to Permaculture: Concepts and Resources

Permaculture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

About Permaculture -- Definitions

About Permaculture -- A Brief Introduction

Permaculture Institute

 

 

Cable Cars;

Cable car - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cable Cars

The Cable Car Home Page

History of Cable Cars, Pictures, Photos, Stock Images, Posters, Transportation: Rail; San Francisco, Photographs by Wernher Krutein

 

Solar Power;

Solar power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Solar Electric Power Association (SEPA) Website

http://www.montanagreenpower.com/solar/index.html

 

Geothermal Power

Geothermal Education Office - Power From the Earth's Heat

Geothermal power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Geothermal Technologies Program: Hydrothermal Power Systems

Geothermal Education Office

Geothermal power gets boost in Senate - Green Machines- msnbc.com

 

Wind Power;

Wind power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.otherpower.com/otherpower_wind.html

 

Tidal Power;

Tidal power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tidal Power - How Tidal Power Plants Work

http://waterpower.hypermart.net/tidal.html

Tidal power

 

POLITICAL SCIENCE General

What kind of government does the USA have? What kind of government does Santa Barbara have? Because while it is intended to be an approximation of democracy, via

The process of representation, how much representation does the common person have

In a false dilemma war between republican and democrat? How much access do we have

To our representation? How much does our representation really work to represent us? And are they loyal to the people, or, are they loyal to that fraction of the people who can afford to belong to the aristocrat class? In theory, the political process is where and how society codes ethics and social and civil engineering into actual laws and rules and actions of the government. Politics might be defined as that sphere of social reality devoted to government, and in a democracy, Political science becomes the complicated process of getting social participants to fully invest in their own self governance.

Political science is thus about the cycle of communication, ideation, and manifestation of social and civil self administration. In America, this is a dialogue allegedly between any and all, but in reality, it is a monologue with two sock puppets

Taking up all of the air space. What difference is there between the $rich$ leftists and the

$rich$ rightists? Both rule over the under-caste of laborers and Workers, who in truth end up having little or no say in government. The masses are drowned out by two sock puppets screaming at each other.

Political Science combines all other sciences in one way or another. It involves Ethics, Morality, Physics, Architecture, Psychology, Sociology, Law, communications, Logic, and in one way or another every other science or paradigm. The subtopics of Political science are therefore Political Science sub all of the other Sciences and paradigms. But do our representatives have the information they need to juggle so many

Problems and issues? Do we as a society have a problem solving process, and are we solving problems? Or are we mostly making social problems worse by complicating society?

Perhaps more importantly, all of the sciences have bearing on Political Science.

Communications theory gives us solutions to most problems in government which we simply fail to employ. Civil Engineering tells us with mathematical certainty what the

Consequences are of building or failing to build any given thing. Sociology has the answers easily to almost all serious social problems. Hard Science can solve the energy

Crunch. The problem is that people are allowing money to make the decisions, not a lucid

Problem solving process. The problem is that the answers the sciences have to give us are being ignored, so that power hungry fools can continue to stay on top of their power-play games, and stay cozy, unaffected by truth or knowledge or reason.

All opinions were not created equal. The perspective of a sociologist is simply a more well formed perspective than a laypersons is if we are to seriously consider solving social problems. Opinion is based in emotions, in simplifications, and usually, in leftist or rightist sponsored propaganda. But neither left nor right side is interested in solving problems, as much as they are trapped in a net of their own making of lies they told themselves often enough that they believed them. The saddest part of ignorance is that if

People would just slow down, they could take the time to educate themselves.

 

Political Science;

Political science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Free Online MIT Course Materials | Political Science | MIT OpenCourseWare

The American Political Science Association

political science -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

 

Propaganda

Propaganda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

propaganda critic: index of site dedicated to propaganda analysis

Propaganda - SourceWatch

http://www.esrnational.org/whatispropaganda.htm

propaganda -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

What is propaganda? Is this war just an exercise in propaganda at the expense of the unwitting IRACies? - Yahoo! Answers

Propaganda techniques - SourceWatch

Propaganda Techniques

Propaganda Techniques

Propaganda Techniques in Literature and Online Political Ads - ReadWriteThink

 

Types of government;

Types of Government

CBBC Newsround | TYPES OF GOVERNMENT | Anarchy

What is this type of government like?

Form of government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.twyman-whitney.com/americancitizen/foundations/types_of_government.htm

List of forms of government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

 

 

 

 

Oligarchy;

Oligarchy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

oligarchy (government) -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

Bartleby.com: Great Books Online -- Quotes, Poems, Novels, Classics and hundreds more

Oligarchy | Define Oligarchy at Dictionary.com

Oligarchy USA - And you thought you lived in a democracy.

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200503u/pp2005-03-30

Home - Democracy Matters

AMERICAN OLIGARCHY

http://www.shoutwire.com/comments/15598/The_American_Decline_Into_a_Two_Tiered_Theocratic_Oligarchy

On Oligarchy

 

Class warfare;

Class Warfare - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bogus "Class Warfare" Charge

http://www.disenchanted.com/dis/technology/class-warfare.html

Class Warfare By (Fuzzy) Numbers

In Class Warfare, Guess Which Class Is Winning - New York Times

What is wrong with class warfare? - Yahoo! Answers

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...Also, systems theory.

 

lol

 

Do you ever think that if you just give the public enough information ALL OVER...

they might wake up over not just my set up one tiny thing in particular but ALL OF IT?

 

could happen... never know.

 

what are we talking about? global warming. my how my mind drifts.

 

won't it be fun in 2100 when if we do nothing and think that exxons lies are real the ocean is acidic, the top life dies, the oceans become toxic to us, the tides come in higher and deeper at a rate of 6 inches higher every year for 20 years, the whole planet gets real hot, the thermal distribution belts around the planet sieze up, the resulting buildup in the oceansof oceanic evaporation creates new supercell storms?

 

Which...happilly on one hand are the happily ever after for planet earth which is that the ocean rebalances itself in t minus 10 thousand years with the upper atmosphere. The water cools, the co2 heats, the system uses water to scrub the atmosphere and collects it in the ice.

 

the big problem is if you melt that ice, you set off another rebalance event.

Which means no more precipitation inland for 10 thousand years and a meters of rainfall too close to the coast with a livable green band around a doughnut permiter 200 miles - 500 miles inland.

 

I wonder, do these people that THINK they know anything about global warming KNOW anything about

SIMULATION MECHANICS?

 

because i do.

 

:bouquet:

Thanks for pointing this out to folks!!! It is something that is too little known about....

===

 

In post 229 you say, "true, but irrelevant, the current homeostasis is what matters."

Thanks again!!

 

...and....

Yes! It is the current homeostasis that matters, and the baseline from which we need to understand the whole system.

 

The current state of the system has a major component that has co-evolved with, and is co-regulated by, the biosphere. Soil is a major factor in that phanerozoic co-evolution and co-regulation. Seems to me this all is also co-regulated by glacial advances and retreats--and glacial effects on soil accumulation, burial, exposure, and movement (including movement into the oceans by scraping and erosion).

 

We have drastically altered the carbon cycle through various avenues, and we are seeing the results. We should avoid slipping into another mode of climate --a different quantum level of climate homeostasis-- because hysteresis will not favor an easy reversal or recovery.

 

We need to be more cognizant of how we manage the carbon on this planet and how that affects the homeostatic bio/climate balance. Biochar production and management can and should be a major tool in bringing the carbon cycle back into a balance that is favorable to maintaining the current bio/climate state.

 

...don't ya think? [or, what do you think about biochar as a carbon management tool?]

 

p.s. ...I'm behind, but trying to catch up.

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Didn't look at the graph did you? The current rate of warming is much slower than it has occurred in previous eras.

To any competent climatologist, or even spectator of the discipline, this is a given. The reason for the present sense of alarm generated by the current global warming trend is not that it exceeds anything believed to have occurred in previous geological eras, but that it’s atypical and unprecedented for our current era, the Pleistocene. This nearly undisputed scientific consensus has been discussed and supported ad nauseum previously in this thread.

BTW, since you've got so much posting energy perhaps you could fill us in on the cause of Mars' global warming...

Though I lack prometheuspan’s feverish posting energy, this heardland.org cause-of-terrestrial-warming skepticism article is fairly easy to explain.

 

Compare its interpretation of a NASA announcement of difference in 2002 and 2005 Global Surveyor images – that Mars and Earth are both becoming warmer due not to changes in their atmospheres, but to increased solar luminosity – to what this contemporary NASA article – that the Martian south polar surface is very active, with CO2 ice changes and attendant rock slides occurring on time scales of less than to a few Martian years. It does not suggest that this is due to increased solar luminosity (which, according to the total solar irradiance dataset used for analysis presented to the IPCC, decreased slightly from 2001 to 2005), nor that average Martian temperature is increasing, but rather that south polar climate changes may be related to increased wind speeds, evidenced by increased dust storms during the period all over Mars.

 

It’s critical, I think, when reading analysis of scientific data, to consider its source. The writers and quoted experts of the heartland.org article’s are associates of the Heartland Institute, the George C. Marshall Institute, and the Cato Institute, all social policy institutes concerned primarily with promoting private business, with stated positions that government measures to curb or even study global warming are inappropriately damaging to private business, cross-discipline (primarily a physicist and statistician) Duke University scientist Nicola Scafetta, a proponent of a Earth climate model in which the role of greenhouse gasses is considered much less significant than the scientific consensus.

 

In short, an article concluding that the Sun, not human activity, is responsible for global warming, was published by an organization committed to convincing the public and policy makers that this is the case. This is advocacy, an important and legitimate activity in a free society, but it is not science.

 

For science, one should trace data mentioned in advocacy articles back to their legitimate scientific sources - or lack of legitimate sources.

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...and....

Yes! It is the current homeostasis that matters, and the baseline from which we need to understand the whole system.

 

ten things to cause a sudden change in co2 faster than humans but still irrelevant.

 

1. natural cycle global warming hits tipping point.

 

2. Biological processes sequester and trap key gasses

(dinosaur era warming may have been caused by plants.)

 

3. solar flares in very close proximity to earth.

 

4. natural cooling cycles hitting the tipping point.

 

5. sufficient volcanic activity, either open magma heating or ash atmosphere cooling;

to go either direction.

 

6. A meteor hit.

 

Do i need to go on?

:Glasses:

 

The current state of the system has a major component that has co-evolved with, and is co-regulated by, the biosphere. Soil is a major factor in that phanerozoic co-evolution and co-regulation. Seems to me this all is also co-regulated by glacial advances and retreats--and glacial effects on soil accumulation, burial, exposure, and movement (including movement into the oceans by scraping and erosion).

 

The co2 ice capture system is pretty old and thats how the planet stays in balance through thick and thin is it exchanges energy between atmosphere and ocean, and, important to understanding global warming, upper atmosphere to ocean.

 

water vapor evaporates more when it gets hotter, this causes more precipitation, this causes global cooling but constant storms till the water again sequesters the co2.

 

global warming denialism is summoning the perfect storm.

 

with 700 mile per hour winds and meters instead of inches for over night rainfalls.

 

I'm very serious and you should listen and prepare. Because if it starts to collapse,

you may need to know that you need to go inland 100 miles at least to survive, or if inland,

go to the green zone.

 

Otherwise you could drown or die of heat and no water or food.

 

In the meantime, worry about systemic collapse compounded by systemic alarm triggering then systemic rapid evolutionary explosion.

 

 

We have drastically altered the carbon cycle through various avenues, and we are seeing the results. We should avoid slipping into another mode of climate --a different quantum level of climate homeostasis-- because hysteresis will not favor an easy reversal or recovery.

 

And the known balancing system works very effectively but not in a way that favors us or

our continued existence as a species.

 

as pink floy once said;

 

"she could take it back one day."

 

 

We need to be more cognizant of how we manage the carbon on this planet and how that affects the homeostatic bio/climate balance. Biochar production and management can and should be a major tool in bringing the carbon cycle back into a balance that is favorable to maintaining the current bio/climate state.

 

...don't ya think? [or, what do you think about biochar as a carbon management tool?]

 

I don't understand what you mean by that?

 

maybe you'd like to explain. ?

 

 

p.s. ...I'm behind, but trying to catch up.

 

thanks for being here.

 

thanks for otherpeople who make nice points.

 

thanks for the forums patience assuming this posts.

:turtle: :esmoking:

 

Doesn't anybody want to explore the idea that global warming is irrrelvant in some senses

due to cross systemic problem solving?

 

As good as i am at that game, it makes no sense to argue when mere economics says the same thing that ecology does, just not as loudly.

:photos:

 

just do a real science based cost benefit analysis of the different types of energy ?

 

its kind of a simple game to play.. there might have been a GREAT example up there..

somewhere.. floating around..

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Warming is quite natural and during both the Ordovician and Permian eras it happened faster than it is now.

 

Over the life of the planet it has historically held a much higher average global temperature than we have now.

 

 

Well, now I've caught up. I guess all I can add is (as mentioned earlier) "the current homeostasis" is the frame of reference that we need to use when making claims about the specifics of past planetary "norms." Let's talk about a world where the continents have dispersed (incl. Himalayas, Andes, Drake Passage, and present Oceans), oxygen levels have stabilized, and C4 grasses & mammals have evolved and diversified; limiting things to the past 20-30 mya. And not going back in the Ordovician, when plant life first "crawled" out of the oceans (or back after the Permian Extinction event) for comparisons. Does this make sense?

 

Or we should (for next time) be limiting ourselves to the evolved state of the climate--after many cycles or iterations within those familiar parameters--say the past 3-7 mya. Or even just the past couple of million years when hominids and fire began altering the landscape over background rates and became an increasingly significant forcer of many feedback systems such as mega-fauna populations, albedo, soot, soil-based CO2 sinks/sources, and other lu/lc (land-use/land-cover) changes.

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"Pollution" is only a problem when ecosystems are affected. Whether it is climate or toxins or habitat loss, it is the ecosystem services and their synergies that are important to focus on. Pollution may be an easier "sell" in terms of gaining public support to fix a problem, but in the end it is carbon cycle (and nitrogen & phosphorous cycles) that we need to effectively manage (water air and soil pollutants, GHG pollutants, habitats).

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Thanks ProPan, I cross-posted, so here is my reply to your question.

 

Biochar is a way of shunting gigatonnes of carbon directly into the soil, instead of letting it decay and return to atmospheric CO2. ...and during production it co-generates power (reducing geo-oil needs) providing new jobs and industries (replacing some geo-based careers).

In the soil it helps with nitrogen and phosphorous cycle problems too. Biomass management is key to managing those C, N, & P nutrient cycles, imho.

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Does anybody want to explore the idea that global warming is irrrelvant in some senses

due to cross systemic problem solving? :esmoking:

 

I've found that to be mostly true. I focus on jobs, health, increasing agronomic yield (more productivity for less input), poverty, womens' rights, and peak resource problems as important areas to improve. That climate will be improved by solving those problems is just a side-benefit. hehehehehe :Glasses:

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In short, an article concluding that the Sun, not human activity, is responsible for global warming,

 

The sun is a real contributing factor to the net energy but only an insignificant factor compared to other factors when realistically modeling climate.

 

its nice that people can identify a contributing factor to thenet energy in thesystem, but all arguments

against global warming that seem to make sense share the same misfortune of being an argument

from ignorance, distributed by a propaganda information source, for the explicit purpose of lying.

 

Distorting a real contributing factor into some other possible explanation for global warming is the global warming denialist hoax. in 101 iterations but all of them disgusting of flavor .

 

I have no argument with any one here on this forum if they have no argument with me.

 

But global warming is a serious business and the facts are in; And I for my part will not march stupidly

to our doom just because people are willing to bully and manipulate in order to do that.

 

Now, somebody may say that my words opening to X were too harsh. But the problem is;

they are factual, and, we need to figure it out.

 

If >I< was a dupe, I would want somebody to hand me the clue in. Not dance around and play nicey nice with me, but tell whats up.

 

The tree is composed in dual parts of severity and mercy. Some people see my severity and panic.

 

pay closer attention to the mercy. its all there.

 

I'm not here to fight with anyone or be in any conflicts, but any absurd notions that global warming is not real or caused by humans should and must be confronted with all due seriousness.

 

This is not a propaganda game. This is the future of our species and of our ecosystem.

It deserves the seriousness and slow rational handling of that our future depends on it.

 

I will not be silent because thats the polite thing to do. I will tell you THE TRUTH

as softly as all caps can deliver it.

 

If somebody spots a clue by four, you may note that yes, i have that power.

But you can't say i use ad hominems and you can't poke a real hole in my logic. Its all too tight.

I back up my claims with direct references and i make sure all bases are covered.

 

I love people, and i do my best to serve them. That means right now waking up and stopping infantile mass insanity and magickal thinking make believe. Just because some batch of corporations wants to sell you(us) forever expensive garbage is no reason to allow them to turn you(us) into their pwn.

 

especially not on a science forum.

 

I will give some things no quarter and allow no gaining of ground.

 

There are some things more important than me, and too important not to speak up for.

 

There are some truths we must and should face, and quit playing games with ourselves and each other.

 

40 years of lies from exxon have only made the science community cough up the answers which now is

that they all agree. Humans are causing global warming.

 

In fact everybody knew this 40 years ago and in fact it was certain then.

 

The only reason we discuss it is in defense of using fossil fuels.

 

Given that all green forms of energy are actually cheaper than fossil fuels;

the only reason to argue pro fossil fuels is if you like having expensive energy bills.

 

Arguing for and fighting to death (in the virtual sense, with pitchforks... ) over something which

is so settled is ludicrous.

 

arguing forsomething which is going to kill us if we kep doing it over the long term and which guarantees

you a collapsing oil economy and entropic economics is also a bit odd just now.

 

arguing pro a broken and falling system of lies and corruption; even if you don't realize thats what

you are doing, ...its time for that to be done now.

 

no hard feelings, no ill tempers, no ego trips, no games.

 

Global warming IS REAL.

get over it.

 

know its no big deal actually because the solutions are easy.

 

Also know they haven't been implemented for the reason of a parasitic oil/coal economy that keeps things that way.

 

Its also important to know the propaganda distortion uno numero of the energy industry, which likes to compare apples and oranges and say coal is cheap. The problem with the comparisons they do is they only run very short term cost benefit analysis.

 

any long term analysis shows absolutely that the windmill is still putting out wats long after the coal mines empty and the coal burned. (or the oil run dry.)

That geothermal power station or solar panel- same thing

 

 

We face a matrix of lies.

 

I am the one person in a million who can look through it all transparently.

 

No, i don't have a billion dollars to spend and no, I'm not a mega corporation, and no, I'm not the boss at your forum.

 

Thats doesn't and shouldn't matter.

 

What should matter is how well i can tell you the solutions to the problems more than just raise those red flags.

 

how well i can guide you through that labyrinth.

 

there is no reason to argue with me and every reason to suppose that the smart thing to do is ask me meaningful questions.

 

I don't have any beef with any person.

 

Global warming denialism, on the other hand, is a form of mass insanity which demands of us exorbitant clarity and absolute unswaying un politeness by now.

 

We have allowed the evil lie machine to spin in wheels for fourty years and make us all do nothing;

even whilst all of the wise amongst us knew more or less as science fact what the truth was and even while the technological alternatives to fossil fuels were being suppressed.

 

This isn't any different than me being "mean" to do an intervention with a coke addict or a meth fiend.

 

global warming denialism?

This is an addiction, to false and cultish ideology and along that path lies on delusion and madness.

 

It is capitalism at its worst, feeding us garbage and selling us lies t put us at each others throats so that we don't bother to fight for an electric bill an order of magnitude cheaper.

 

This is divide and conquer against reason with playing republicanish and conservativish folks against the

vast socialist conspiracy conspiracism.

 

While we are fighting each other, whos building a new and better civilization?

 

while they have us spun in a hamster wheel of 70s technology redressed 40 times,

who do they think they are kidding?

 

When john mccain says we need a battery competition to come up with new batteries to make

all electric feasible and santa barbara has city busses all electric running for two decades...

 

whats wrong with this mass delusional picture?

 

Pretending that we don't have full electric for 30 years, we have clung to cars because thats what the industry wanted for its own purpose of keeping us addicted to crack.

 

people want to argue about climatology and meteorology with ignorant lies perpetuated by a lie machine propaganda war; and none of that even matters compared to energy science which people also think is

totally different than it actually is for being bombarded with disinfo.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm sorry if i got off with the wrong foot with some people here. I truly am , and i apologize to anybody

whos maybe felt like i was coming on too strong. or that i was attacking them.

 

I'm not, and i'm really all for us getting along.

 

there are some lies which must always be confronted absolutely;

 

integrity in those cases demands nothing less.

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global warming denialism is summoning the perfect storm.

 

with 700 mile per hour winds and meters instead of inches for over night rainfalls.

I back up my claims with direct references and i make sure all bases are covered.

Pan, you need to support your meta-claim of backing up your claims with direct references by ... actually backing up your claims with links or references! :Glasses:

 

Apparently serious claims that global warming will cause 700 MPH winds, unprecedented flooding, and similar eco horror/thriller movie clichés, both discredit the claimant and provide denialists with examples of hyperbole supporting their claim that people advocating global warming mitigation efforts are hysterical and irrational. Like the 2004 movie The Day After Tomorrow, I suspect such hyperbole does more to harm popular support for global warming mitigation than help it.

 

To the best of my knowledge, the highest wind speed ever recorded is 353 MPH (408 km/hr, 113 m/s). (see the “highest speed” section of the wikipedia article wind speed).

 

700 MPH is bizarre even as a suggestion – higher than the speed of sound at sea level, such a wind would be aerodynamically weird, not propagating by accelerating slower moving air ahead of it, but with individual air molecules passing slower moving ones like supersonic projectiles. Though I’ve not tried numerically modeling such a thing, I suspect it’s practically impossible.

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I am so disappointed. :Glasses:

I thought, "Finally, someone worthy of my undying respect. Someone whose word I could take as gospel".

Then I find out that even though he has the combined knowledge of a community college and a 180 IQ, he has never heard of biochar.

 

I am so disillusioned. I think I'll go back to worshiping God.

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Let's talk about a world where the continents have dispersed (incl. Himalayas, Andes, Drake Passage, and present Oceans), oxygen levels have stabilized, and C4 grasses & mammals have evolved and diversified; limiting things to the past 20-30 mya. And not going back in the Ordovician, when plant life first "crawled" out of the oceans (or back after the Permian Extinction event) for comparisons. Does this make sense?

 

No, it makes no sense to discount the past climate in our analysis of the current climate. There exists for all stars, including our own sun, a zone commonly referred to as the Goldilocks Zone. It is a zone around the star where a habitable zone exists such that liquid water can exist on the planet's surface. Toward the inner side of the zone a planet will have less ice, or none at all, and near the outside of the zone it will have mostly ice, but some liquid water. The Earth has a place in the habitable zone of our star that has existed since it's birth and the coming and going of the human race has not changed that. It is an analysis of the entirety of the Earth's climate, past and present, that helps us to analyze exactly where we are in that zone.

 

Throughout much of the planet's life have been eras where the planet had no polar ice caps. It's history has been punctuated by events like asteroid impacts and volcanism that have caused it to experience numerous ice ages but time and time again it has warmed to an average global temperature that would be considered tropical by human standards. Why would it make sense to ignore this in our analysis? Would you really consider that a scientific approach? Does it suggest we may be nearer the star side of the habitable zone?

 

Man, like everything else on the planet, certainly has an effect on the climate of the planet but we cannot simply leap to conclusions that man is the main culprit. It is an obvious conclusion from an examination of the past that the planet goes through natural climate cycles. That being the case the only real question is how much does man effect the rate of change of those cycles, not that man is the 'cause' of such cycles, because they come and go without man. They even exist on other planets and we certainly can't blame man in those cases. Then again, maybe the effect on the climate is not what we should be focused on but instead, the poisoning of the very environment that we have to live in.

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It is an obvious conclusion from an examination of the past that the planet goes through natural climate cycles. That being the case the only real question is how much does man effect the rate of change of those cycles, not that man is the 'cause' of such cycles, because they come and go without man.
Yes, but learn how much man does affect those cycles ...with pollution ...thus affecting climate!

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How can you devote so much weight to our distance from the sun? Of course that is the fundamental parameter of our energy balance, but that part of the Milankovitch cycle doesn't account for the timing or magnitude of paleoclimate trends or drastic changes.

The distance from the sun changes very regularly and slowly, changing at the pace that accomodates natural evolution. What is your point with this "star side" focus?

 

The distance from the sun is a baseline upon which many other "forcers" of climate are overlayed. C'mon, get real! Look at a timeline of Earth's climate and compare that with a timeline of life's evolution. It should be obvious how the biochemistry of life affects the geochemistry of climate, and how the two have co-evolved. Look at how the components in oil and coal can be chemically traced back to their unique prokaryotic or algal, planktonic, gymnospermic, or angiospermic origins at various periods of Earth's history and how the climate changes during those periods of life's evolution.

 

It is life that fine-tunes and "forces" much of the planet's climate--of course overlayed on a fundamental set of astronommical and geological "baseline" parameters for climate. But those aren't changing on the time scale that we're talking about here with modern-day climate change.

 

Of course all past climate on the planet can tell us something about "how different climates work," and that teaches us about the laws of physics and nature. But that teaches us very little about the laws of reality that we are currently faced with (with the sun's current luminosity and our distance from the sun, with the continents in their current position, with a certain amount of biomass alive and decaying on and around those continents, and with significant antropogenic changes to the baseline chemistry and biology [POLLUTION] of the living systems that have evolved to form the baseline "bio-forcer" of this co-evolved climate).

 

Look at how recently the grasses came to dominate in evolution. Learn about the evolution of soil. It is major part of that co-evolution with life and climate; soil doesn't come ready-made on planets, y'know (something I just recently learned!).

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I agree that focusing on GHG's is more like treating a symptom, and that pollution is the cause to focus upon; but denying that climate change isn't another consequence of pollution and that it is simply driven by our distance from the sun seems to miss the big picture.

 

This is a good book for giving the big picture, but it's mostly about humus, oil and coal. I did run across this sentence earlier today, however, by chance in the last two chapters, which deal with the carbon cycle and climate, and anthropogenic carbon biogeochemistry.

 

"However, earlier agricultural practices and deforestation dating back to Neolithic times (c.10ka) have also contributed to the rise in atmospheric CO2 concentration (Fig. 6.33a)." page 288. ~From: Introduction to Organic Geochemistry, Killops & Killops, 2nd ed., 2005.

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I am so disappointed. :Glasses:

I thought, "Finally, someone worthy of my undying respect. Someone whose word I could take as gospel".

Then I find out that even though he has the combined knowledge of a community college and a 180 IQ, he has never heard of biochar.

 

I am so disillusioned. I think I'll go back to worshiping God.

 

LOL!! Yes, I'm always surprised to find that I don't know everything either! I was as surprised to find that the self-professed "carbon-cycle expert" here at our local "green" university was equally clueless about this new term for "black carbon," which is widely studied in geochemistry. I was equally as honored to fill him in on the idea.

 

Biochar used as a commodity and ammendment broaches new territory for black carbon's influence on soil, but in trying to learn about biochar chemistry I found that much of the kowledge and information about humus, kerogen and coalification applies to biochar. It's (loosely) basically about a spectrum of different sized carbon molecules, from dust and black carbon to LMW molecules, humus and decayed molecules from sulfur and nitrogen containing bio-precursors, HMW molecules, peat, kerogen, coal, and oil in different states of oxidation, reduction, and cross-linking... with heat and pressure. Biochar is like synthetic (clean-designed) coal. The book mentioned above, Intro to Organic Geochemistry, is a wonderful resource.

 

But I'm assuming Pro-pan would see how normal chemistry and biology would work in the biochar state to influence soil so profoundly (and thus climate). Biochar is just a synthetic way to restore natural fire's benefits to the soil (which has been curtailed during agricultural times). That's another thing I learned recently... about how important fire's by-products are to the composition and evolution of soils throughout the Phanerozoic.

 

David Laird of the USDA says that, globally, half of the carbon richness has been lost from our agricultural soils. That's a lot of carbon! And biochar can help restore that lost carbon in form and function, to mimick what took nature many ages to build.

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Pan, you need to support your meta-claim of backing up your claims with direct references by ... actually backing up your claims with links or references!

 

 

 

 

:Glasses:.

 

to my knowledge i have already supplied this forum with more links and references than any other participant. I hope you didn't miss out since page 22 or so.

:esmoking:

 

 

 

Apparently serious claims that global warming will cause 700 MPH winds, unprecedented flooding, and similar eco horror/thriller movie clichés, both discredit the claimant and provide denialists with examples of hyperbole supporting their claim that people advocating global warming mitigation efforts are hysterical and irrational.

 

 

hmmm.

 

lets just back to the central understanding here that i do simulation mechanics and run

your thought experiment.

 

the climate gets hotter . more water evaporates because more heat is equal to more evaporation. more evaporation means more cooling and more water in the atmosphere.

the whole planet is both hotter and now thus cooling by stirring the atmosphere,

while the system attempts to sequester carbon back into ice somewhere.

 

Water goes more up. more heat is more evaporation. what goes up stirs the atmosphere and must come down. the amount of energy in the system changes. a notch above a tipping point. the cooling mechanism is storms.

 

The way the movies get it wrong is making it sudden. slow motion slow motion slow motion.

 

In fact it is now happening and has been happening for 20 years.

 

So slowly as to be imperceptible.

 

movies dramatize time and get it wrong.

 

It shifts so slowly you'd never notice a change year to year... each year... just a little bit hotter... each year just a bit more storms,... each year the winds are blowing on the coasts

harder and less out across the continents...

and then...

the wind currents freeze up and the storm currents take over and now the global air distribtion network is super chaosy on the coasts but all the main currents on the horizontal planes we now think of are distrupted.

 

And its oh so still and dry out in colorado.

:D :turtle:

 

i'm not reporting anything more than real science entered into simulation mechanics.

 

any one who has issue with that please lets collaboratively write 10 textbooks.

 

You start.

 

i already have at two locations...lol

:photos:

 

Its all very simple so i will explain again.

 

More water being evaporated and more heat adds energy to the system.

 

Conditions change and the weather we now think of changes.

 

More water stirring the atmosphere speeds things up and also delivers more to fall.

 

what goes up must come down. Now we are playing that game with our ecosystem because we are addicted to oil and doublethink.

 

what goes up must come down. one droplet of water; one photon at a time;

 

scrubbing the atmosphere by bonding with co2.

 

 

 

 

You are free to run google at your convenience; so far it seems too many people here

have ignored my long lists of links to just wander...

 

i start to feel like a google mule.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Like the 2004 movie The Day After Tomorrow, I suspect such hyperbole does more to harm popular support for global warming mitigation than help it.

 

 

I agree that the movie is hyperbole but only in terms of time scale.

 

other claims may be approximately accurate especially for the coasts specifically.

 

To the best of my knowledge, the highest wind speed ever recorded is 353 MPH (408

 

yes, but what happens when you release an order of magnitude more photal energy into a closed system?

 

which absorbs that energy by evaporating water?

 

 

 

 

 

 

super cell storms are one well understood and well demonstrated outcome of global warming. weather like tectonics has been slowly going towards more ordered and more relaxed states over time. yet the constant is the atmosphere and ocean exchanging energy

to bring on successive homeostsis states.

 

The big events happened in the remote past.

 

Thats the largest reasonwhy trying to compare the remote past to explain away global warming is silly.

 

the system has been slowly calming down all through the entire time scale of entropy

applied to the planet as a system. its all winding down.

 

we used to have magnitude 14 quakes hundreds of millions of years ago every few months or so. How do you think the mountains formed?

 

similarly, very large prehistoric movements aren't meaningful when a long time ago the whole system was much different and more chaotic.

 

And weather and climate has effected evolution and will effect us and the eco system.

 

Let me go a step deeper and explain why its 700. because you just told us theanswer and didn't know it.

 

all storms on our planet now tend to stay very low to the surface comparatively. The reason super cell storms can become so violent is that they are taller in the atmosphere.

 

By almost double; thus, almost double.

 

 

700 MPH is bizarre even as a suggestion – higher than the speed of sound at sea level, such a wind would be aerodynamically weird,

 

unless you have real suction between the lower and upper atmosphere.

 

combined with coriolis effect.

:hyper:

 

 

 

not propagating by accelerating slower moving air ahead of it, but with individual air molecules passing slower moving ones like supersonic projectiles. Though I’ve not tried numerically modeling such a thing, I suspect it’s practically impossible.

 

 

okay, try depressurizing a few thousand cubic miles of air by having the air beneath it gas full of fog. Now watch hot air and cold air exhange places so violently that they twist a cyclone into the atmosphere achieve pressure differential for suction from lower to upper atmosphere for density.

 

vwhalla!

 

super super cell tornado.

 

You think its ridiculous? lol

 

I think its inevitable, and when it happens i hope people are wise enough to remember me

and that i told them i also know how to fix it.

:tree:

 

(353 MPH) (408) x 2 is?

 

706.

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