alexander Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 No kidding: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/archivedStory.asp?archive=true&dist=ArchiveSplash&siteid=google&guid=%7B83C7251D%2D36E9%2D40B3%2D8B7E%2D4ED683C5F0E0%7D&returnURL=%2Fnews%2Fstory%2Easp%3Fguid%3D%7B83C7251D%2D36E9%2D40B3%2D8B7E%2D4ED683C5F0E0%7D%26siteid%3Dgoogle%26dist%3D%26archive%3Dtrue%26param%3Darchive%26garden%3D%26minisite%3DTo people who live in the area, my sincerest words to you would be "god damint, why cant i live in San Francisco, seriously, this just proves the nonexistance of god, I have attempted to pray that google will declare the state of connecticut as their testing grounds, but apparently he didnt listen therefore he does not exist...." Dark Mind 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigD Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 I expect to see more of this, soon. The cost of the service, I suspect, is less than the revenue gained by local and remote internet merchants and portal providers. My greatest question concerning “public free wireless access” is not if it will become widely available, but by whom: commercial entities, like google, or some level of government, as has occurred in Philadelphia, PA, and just last week in Alexandria, VA. I’ll be in Alexandria 10/5, and will tote my laptop along to try this out. My next greatest question is what will this do to small and large ISPs. I know a few people who are currently eeking out some income in the small ISP biz, one of them with more than 50% of his customers in Alexandria. I suspect that a lot of the small providers will be wiped out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Mind Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 To quote Montgomery Burns (From the animated show "The Simpsons") "Excellent.". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockytriton Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 I work at the US Patent office here in Alexandria, VA. They have a wireless hotspot here, I noticed the sign the other day. btw, I hope google can afford the bandwidth for all the gay pr0n that will be downloaded from the free wireless in SF :hyper: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexander Posted October 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 i would think that google will be smart enough to block a few things.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigD Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 i would think that google will be smart enough to block a few things....I hope google avoids any sort of “netnanny” type blocking. If they don’t, they’ll be opening a giant can of controversy. Better to just increase bandwidth beyond the powers of the most lascivious user to consume. Porn’s really small-bandwidth stuff compared to streaming audio and video, and streaming video porn the same as any. Dozens of imbedded streaming adds, on the other hand, might have the power to bring civilization to a grinding, packet-colliding halt. :hyper: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexander Posted October 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 they already have that bandwidth, 1/2 the world doing a ddos on google would not crash it, seriously, they have people who'd be like " Oh look the bandwidth usage came up to 5%, oh noooooooooooooo! Joe, plug in a few more of those fiber cables in, lets get the situation under control" Google will have very little problems with bandwidth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigD Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 they already have that bandwidth, 1/2 the world doing a ddos on google would not crash it, seriously, they have people who'd be like " Oh look the bandwidth usage came up to 5%, oh noooooooooooooo! Joe, plug in a few more of those fiber cables in, lets get the situation under control" Google will have very little problems with bandwidth...It’s not google’s servers that would have the bandwidth problems to which I was alluding, but the 802.11b routers delivering the final meters of the public network. It’s quite practical to saturate these, as I’ve discovered as the victim of a few IT shop practical jokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexander Posted October 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 it will be similar for their wireless switches and servers though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigD Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 it will be similar for their wireless switches and servers though....Google doesn’t, to my knowledge, much use wireless switches within its own network, nor much custom hardware at all – they’re described by this wikipedia article as running on a lot of “low-cost commodity computers” running Linux. Their performance comes from custom network software optimized for read-mostly, and, I’ve heard rumored, custom disk controlling software, and LOTS (~60,000) of PCs. When they deploy public 802.11b/g/n routers, they’ll almost certainly be using commercial-off-the-shelf, possible slower and cheaper than what some of us use. They’re a great shop, so I’m sure they’ll do a great job, but it won’t be anything exotic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexander Posted October 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 and that has to do with anything said above exactly what? the first post depicts google's proposal to make a huge wireless network for free for the city of San Fran. then you ask about bandwidth, and i say that google has so far not had any problems with bandwidth, it is close to impossible to bring down, so, since google is making the network, i will assume that all bandwidth problems will be solved similarly to their own network, or by plugging in a few more fiber lines when the bandwidth usage approaches 5%. I know that google does not run wireless at their server locations, they have no need to, and it would be a security volnurability for their network of custom Linux servers with latency and custom google patches, that network (data) via GFS or (Google File System) which is built to do crazy fast searching and reading information, that was open-sourced, and since then rewritten, and the way it works now is only depicted in a few PDFs. Yes they most likely do run linux boxes acting as routers as well as hardware routers. And yes they will most likely run store-bought hardware for wireless networking and switching and load ballancing, as well as a linux background of servers, switches, routers and whatnot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishEyes Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 .......Linux..... open-sourced.......linux..... linux...geez, I can't believe it took until Post 10 to hear the magic words. :hyper: You're slipping, alex! :hihi: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigD Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Synopsis & summary and that has to do with anything said above exactly what?In the interest of clearing up any misunderstanding, here’s my synopsis of this thread (when I synopsize, every line seems to end in an exclamation point):Alexander: Googles’s gonna wireless wire SF!CraigD: Philadelphia and Alexandria govs are doing it already!Darkmind: Yeah!Rockitron: Watch out for those SFians downloading gay porn!Alexander: Google’ll block it!CraigD: Fie! Blocking evil! Bandwidth Good!Alexander: Google is the king of bandwidth!CraigD: Not over the last few meters, they’re not!Alexander: Huh?IrishEyes: heh heh – you said “linux” – heh heh**this post** Summarizing my position on public free wireless:I believe it’s the future of our “information culture”;I’m ambivalent about who does it, and a bit wary of a private, publicly owned company, even the uber-cool google, providing a service that I in principle believe should be provided by local government (I’m also wary of privatized power, water, etc.);Information, even porn, “wants to be free”, and anyone or thing curtailing its freedom I regard as foe;Technical hurdles we arise, be overcome, and be fun to talk about as they do. Thanks, all, for the enjoyable thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexander Posted October 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Irish, google and linux get quite oftenly associated, I've many times mentioned Linux with google before, Craig and Dark have both prolly read quite a few threads where the connection was made... nice to see ya though :hyper: how have you bee? Craig, yup, there you go, that makes things a bit clear.here are a few things i think that have to happen sometime soon:one internet needs to become a free spacesoftware obviously is moving there to be opentax on the internet purchaises needs to be in place soon, people will have to pay less, everyone happy and equalGoogle will become the next microsoft, except it wont be proprietary or closed source... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigD Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 …here are a few things i think that have to happen sometime soon:one internet needs to become a free spacesoftware obviously is moving there to be opentax on the internet purchaises needs to be in place soon, people will have to pay less, everyone happy and equalGoogle will become the next microsoft, except it wont be proprietary or closed source...I agree on all points, though I must confess that my predictive skills concerning technology in the marketplace are unimpressive – despite being “in the business” since the late 70s, I completely failed to predict the ascent of Micro$oft, or even vaguely describe the nature of the information technology business even a few years before it was realized. Re: taxes. It seems to me there already exists a well established, widely accepted, and easy to implement scheme for taxing purchases, internet or brick and mortar: state and local sales tax. Just as one pays sales tax at the point of purchase, not the state of residence of the purchaser, simply requiring internet vendors to define a physical business address for the point of sale of their goods – both shipped and electronically transferred – and pay the regular state and local sales tax on them. The monies collected by the state and local governments can be used to provide free internet access – not just connectivity, but free or subsidized end user “internet appliances” (whatever they turn out to be – PCs, cellphones, smartoasters, etc.), which will in turn enhance sales, promoting what uber technonlogy saint/devil Bill Gates called, in “The Road Ahead”, “frictionless capitalism.” (OK, he didn’t invent the phrase, but at least he uses it correctly) Just ranting about it fills me with joy. :hyper: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexander Posted October 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Oh and another prediction more and more devices will be connected to the internet, in about 50-60 years people will have hard time surviving without internet, as more and more things like household appliances embed the hardware (and linux hackers install linux on coffeemakers) the world digital revolution will not be far behind the corner... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishEyes Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Irish, google and linux get quite oftenly associated, I've many times mentioned Linux with google before, Craig and Dark have both prolly read quite a few threads where the connection was made... nice to see ya though :) how have you bee?Yeah, I know, alex. I may not comment on your posts here in C&T, but that doesn't mean that I don't read every single one and discuss your opinions at length with nemo. Of course, that's prolly why I like YOU so much- you sound so much like him it's spooky. :hyper: Linux geeks to hack coffeepots? Does this mean I'll finally get to the bottom of the pot with NO GROUNDS? I can hardly wait... :hihi: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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