Dubbelosix Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) Scientists have in the past attempted to measure a weight discrepancy upon death in order to ”weigh”the soul upon death. The results came back negative. This hasn't stopped certain scientists from disbelieving we have one however. Here's a twister for the mind, what if people are inherently soulless and it it is only upon death the soul comes to us based on what kind of person we have been? The anthropomorphic idea we should have a soul based on being in a physical shell guided by morals may just be a precursor to whether we deserve a soul or not. If a god did exist, surely our souls belong to him\her and only by our actions in this lifetime can he or she determine whether we deserve one or not. Edited August 9, 2020 by Dubbelosix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vmedvil2 Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 Scientists have in the past attempted to measure a weight discrepancy upon death in order to ”weigh”the soul upon death. The results came back negative. This hasn't stopped certain scientists from disbelieving we have one however. Here's a twister for the mind, what if people are inherently soulless and it it is only upon death the soul cones to us based on what kind of person we have been? The anthropomorphic idea we should have a soul based on being in a physical shell guided by morals may just be a precursor to whether we deserve a soul or not. If a god did exist, surely our souls belong to the belong to him\her and only by our actions in this lifetime can he or she determine whether we deserve one or not.You are missing something, what if all religion is False? This all being made up by ancient man that for all intensive purposes didn't know anything about the universe or how it functions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubbelosix Posted August 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) Have you read Wolfs, the spiritual universe? He argues for the soul, at one point he even classed his book as a proof. Religion is a nasty word to me, religion is what causes war and division. The purpose of this post was just to argue a soul from a different perspective where science has not met properly outside the box, so to say. Edited August 9, 2020 by Dubbelosix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vmedvil2 Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) Have you read Wolfs, the spiritual universe? He argues for the soul, at one point he even classed his book as a proof. Religion is a nasty word to me, religion is what causes war and division. The purpose of this post was just to argue a soul from a different perspective where science has not met properly outside the box, so to say.Post your proof then, stop pussyfooting around then... you have a huge mountain of evidence to climb to prove this. Edited August 9, 2020 by VictorMedvil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubbelosix Posted August 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 It was never my proof book, and I couldn't possibly recite his work, it's a very large book and a complicated read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubbelosix Posted August 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.amazon.co.uk/Spiritual-Universe-Physicists-Vision-Spirit/dp/0966132718&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiqq9GihY3rAhU2aRUIHfGRB7cQFjAAegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw0KAhkd4NI9BwJ1W2fbfdvg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vmedvil2 Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 Anything else you would like to add to your case Dubbelosix V. Scienceforums, to argue the soul? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubbelosix Posted August 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) Just a perspective, that the soul is not carried with us, there is a possibility that if the soul is real, it may come to us upon death, rather than than the doctrine of it leaving the body. Edited August 9, 2020 by Dubbelosix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vmedvil2 Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) Just a perspective, that the soul is not carried with us, there is a possibility that if the soul is real, it may come to us upon death, rather than than the doctrine of it leaving the body.I throw you at the mercy of the tribunal then, The Question we must ask ourselves is, is there are soul? Thoughts? Ideas? Opinions? Edited August 9, 2020 by VictorMedvil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubbelosix Posted August 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 I suppose this is the mystery. A wise man once said, it takes an educated mind to entertain an idea even if you may not agree with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoth101 Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 The soul is the existential self, or the true self, in contrast to the ego, which is the body-mind self. Usually it is assumed that the soul doesn’t have a location. A location is often thought to be a physical place, and the soul clearly isn’t physical. However a location can also be non-physical. For example, what is the location of the number 6? The number 6 is located between numbers 5 and 7. Knowing a number’s non-physical location, or its location in consciousness, enables us to use it with precision. Similarly, the soul has a non-physical location. Knowing the soul’s location in consciousness allows us to access the soul with precision. Location of the SoulThe soul is located at the subject-pole of attention. This is illustrated in the diagram above, which depicts the twin poles of attention. At the object-pole of attention is everything we are aware of, including external perceptions, thoughts, emotions, memories, beliefs etc. At the subject-pole of attention is feeling-awareness itself (or consciousness itself). The SQ map of attention clarifies that being the ego means being the body and mind at the object-pole of attention, while being the soul means being feeling-awareness itself (or consciousness itself) at the subject-pole of attention. The native qualities of feeling-awareness itself, which are inherently free from modification by objects of attention, are experienced at the subject-pole of attention in moments of presence, in the form of wisdom, compassion, integrity, joy, love, creativity, and peace. Scientific EvidenceThe scientific evidence for the existence of the soul is compelling. The evidence is from two sources. Firstly, from studies in medical science here and here, which prove that consciousness continues in the absence of brain activity. The second source of scientific evidence for the existence for the soul is the evidence for reincarnation. If reincarnation is a reality, clearly consciousness can detach from the body, which represents objective evidence for the existence of the soul. The article below provides conclusive evidence for reincarnation.Read on:https://sqi.co/the-location-of-the-soul/ Amaltheia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubbelosix Posted August 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 Certainly a different viewpoint. Consciousness is a state of awareness, whether one can call this the soul is another matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted August 9, 2020 Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 Hi, I saw in YouTube a video claiming that soul may weight 23 grams. But that is merely a joke I Guess. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21_grams_experiment However it is very easy to make up a Sci-fi story about that experiment. When I read some gnostic texts I got anidea that the SPIRIT may be covered inside a micro black hole. And how come that micro black holes arein minium about 22 micrograms. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_black_hole In principle, a black hole can have any mass equal to or above about 2.2×10−8 kg or 22 micrograms (the Planck mass) So if those experiments know anything then it may be question about the spirit not the soul. Please, do not take this story too seriously. Perhaps I am too guessing or joking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubbelosix Posted August 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2020 The Planck mass need not be a black hole, a Planck mass can also define the mass of a human eyelash. It says nothing of the density which is relevant for micro black holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racoon Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 Can you physically weigh Electricity? It is constantly moving Then you cannot weigh Bioelectricity. Chi, as the Chinese would call it.. the inner electricity that keeps us functioning. Thoth101 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoth101 Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 Certainly a different viewpoint. Consciousness is a state of awareness, whether one can call this the soul is another matter.Yes, I am convinced there is no end to our consciousness. A soul seem to be a little more tricky to figure out if it even exists. It could be just energy that holds all the memory of that individual consciousness. There are many ancient theories of the soul. They break it down here. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ancient-soul/Moreover, apart from the question of immortality or otherwise, there is the further question whether the soul, if it does have some form of existence after the person has died, “still possesses some power and wisdom” (Phaedo, 70b; cf. 76c). Answering both questions, Socrates says not only that the soul is immortal, but also that it contemplates truths after its separation from the body at the time of death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubbelosix Posted August 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) Can you physically weigh Electricity? It is constantly moving Then you cannot weigh Bioelectricity. Chi, as the Chinese would call it.. the inner electricity that keeps us functioning.Yes, charge does add a weight to the body, it adds a weight to particles as well. The curious thing though I am still grappling with is while charge is Lorentz invariant, the charge distribution and the charge current is not. If mass is a type of charge, then charge should not be Lorentz invariant by systematic symmetry. Edited August 10, 2020 by Dubbelosix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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