Turtle Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 I think some people posting here are getting lost in 'preconceptionitis'. By this I mean they are reacting to what their experience of religion is or what they 'think it is'. This is not really what this thread is about. It is about what is common to all people and without limits/ censure or censoring. It is the wonder of childhood, not the formal traditions, uniform and habits, carried out to show you belong to a particular club. Like I said, for me it is something like realizing that Summers heat causes evaporation, that helps draw water up through a plant via capillary action, enhancing the process that winter slows down through freezing cold days and nights, introverting all life. ... I immediately thought of the term "peak experience" when reading this paragraph. I thought it came from Joseph Campbell, and he may have used it, but looks like it was Maslow got things going. See if this harmonizes with your intent here. Peak experience - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaMany of the nuances the term now connotes were expounded by psychologist Abraham Maslow in his 1964 work Religions, Values, and Peak Experiences [1]. To some extent the term represents Maslow's attempt to "naturalize" those experiences which have generally been identified as religious experiences and whose origin has, by implication, been thought of as supernatural. Maslow (1970) believed that the origin, core and essence of every known "high religion" was "the private, lonely, personal illumination, revelation, or ecstasy of some acutely sensitive prophet or seer" (p.19). ... Ah yes; Joseph Campbell on 'peak experiences' >> Follow Your Bliss: Discovering Your ... - Google Book Search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paigetheoracle Posted June 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Lemit, "What the hell are you talking about?" No but seriously you've got it even though it can't be grasped. This is what Zen was on about too in its own mysterious way. I think I need to read some Walt Whitman, rather than listen to some Slim Whitman! Good points in their own vague, can't put my finger on it, kind of way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paigetheoracle Posted June 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Turtle Wow! (As in the moonshine scene in 'The Great Escape'). Maslow is one of my heroes and yes, I'm a sensitive seer, who's always having his sensitivities 'seared' by those who don't understand what I'm on about and don't want to. Lemit another point - it's like The Tao. Your early religious experiences inspired you but you can't drink the same glass of water twice, needing to fill up your glass elsewhere with new inspiration (The new stimulates - the old puts us to sleep). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemit Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Turtle Wow! (As in the moonshine scene in 'The Great Escape'). Maslow is one of my heroes and yes, I'm a sensitive seer, who's always having his sensitivities 'seared' by those who don't understand what I'm on about and don't want to. Lemit another point - it's like The Tao. Your early religious experiences inspired you but you can't drink the same glass of water twice, needing to fill up your glass elsewhere with new inspiration (The new stimulates - the old puts us to sleep). I still don't want to say what the "it" is, but I'm beginning to wonder if the Eastern and Western disciplines might have more in common than I thought. So, do you think we can use the eternal wisdom of both the East and the West to help me figure out how to delete a post? I know "The Dark Night Of The Soul" isn't supposed to be a short-term thing, but I don't like the trail of apologies I've been leaving behind me lately. HELP! --lemit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeztar Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Press the edit button below your post and then hit delete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfiniteNow Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 So, do you think we can use the eternal wisdom of both the East and the West to help me figure out how to delete a post? I know "The Dark Night Of The Soul" isn't supposed to be a short-term thing, but I don't like the trail of apologies I've been leaving behind me lately. HELP! --lemit Press the edit button below your post and then hit delete. Freeztar - Unless you guys have changed settings and abilities for the user levels lately, he won't be able to do that until he has at least 1,000 posts under his belt, and not before. At that time, the user will reach Level 5 and have the ability to delete posts when editing them, and will have the ability edit the comment listed below their username and avatar. Prior to that, he will need to rely on the staff for assistance in deleting posts. SOURCE: http://hypography.com/forums/tutorials-and-how-tos/2278-understanding-the-user-levels.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 I still don't want to say what the "it" is, but I'm beginning to wonder if the Eastern and Western disciplines might have more in common than I thought. --lemit If "it" be true religion, I think that what all peoples at all times have in common is a human brain and that the rather new divsion of science referred to as "bio-theology" or "neuro-theology" is an informative Tao to the whys & wherefores humans have religions. It is not antithetical to peak experiences, rather explanatory of the brain activity concurrent with them. Here is a thread on the topic: Biotheology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paigetheoracle Posted June 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 I still don't want to say what the "it" is, but I'm beginning to wonder if the Eastern and Western disciplines might have more in common than I thought. So, do you think we can use the eternal wisdom of both the East and the West to help me figure out how to delete a post? I know "The Dark Night Of The Soul" isn't supposed to be a short-term thing, but I don't like the trail of apologies I've been leaving behind me lately. HELP! --lemit Alas the Dark Night of the Soul is all the blunders we make and God or enlightenment, the way out of this dead-end of our own ignorance (I always think of God as the Guardian of Death, that lets us out of our misery when we chose the right answer, that saves us from our prison cell of ignorance i.e Dark Night). I recently made such a blunder that cost me my job but at least I know now what caused it. Life is movement and that also means between the ears i.e. giving up prejudices in order to move forward and this is also my point about your early religious education - to quote the New Testament 'When I was a child I did childish things but now I put away the play things of childhood' (or however it goes but you get the gist of it I'm sure). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paigetheoracle Posted June 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 If "it" be true religion, I think that what all peoples at all times have in common is a human brain and that the rather new divsion of science referred to as "bio-theology" or "neuro-theology" is an informative Tao to the whys & wherefores humans have religions. It is not antithetical to peak experiences, rather explanatory of the brain activity concurrent with them. I've got videos by Todd Murphy of Laurentian University on this very subject but alas fail to watch them (must get around to it at some time!). Here is the thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 If "it" be true religion, I think that what all peoples at all times have in common is a human brain and that the rather new divsion of science referred to as "bio-theology" or "neuro-theology" is an informative Tao to the whys & wherefores humans have religions. It is not antithetical to peak experiences, rather explanatory of the brain activity concurrent with them. I've got videos by Todd Murphy of Laurentian University on this very subject but alas fail to watch them (must get around to it at some time!). Todd Murphy videos Aside: your link didn't dispaly because you left out any text between the URL tags. I looked up Todd and have to say I'm a little put off by his selling devices supposed to stimulate "it". http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/1888436/4651332Murphy is also the developer and distributor of shakti neural stimulation technology ... Sounds like snake-oil to me. :confused: :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemit Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Sounds like snake-oil to me. :hihi: :) Ah yes. Viagra for the soul. Enhanced metaphysical experience! Satisfy the cosmos like you never have before! CAUTION: If the experience lasts more than four hours, immediately consult an exorcist. Okay. You might not realize it's four hours later. You might think it's 15 seconds later or a couple weeks later--or three years earlier. A movie that explores this phenomenon is "The Jacket." I don't understand what has happened to me in my life. I sometimes wonder if an explanation might be some kind of chemical or electrical imbalance. (My mother couldn't wear a wrist watch. The watch's hands would spin. I have never heard a good explanation of that either.) Given the quality of the linear explanations I have been given for the interlocking circles that are my life, I don't think I want to go to any seminars. The ineffable is perhaps best left that way. --lemit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paigetheoracle Posted June 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Aside: your link didn't dispaly because you left out any text between the URL tags. I looked up Todd and have to say I'm a little put off by his selling devices supposed to stimulate "it". :lol: Demonoid.com - Neuroscience and Spirituality. - Todd Murphy. Sounds like snake-oil to me. :hihi: :) Well I did say I hadn't seen any of his stuff, just meant to! After I put up the link I realized I'd put it on twice, so must have done some reckless editing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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