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Homeopathy is an evidence based medicine. Millions of patients of homeopathy world wide who have been benefited by it are the best evidence.

 

Let's see this evidence of these millions of patients. Since you're arguing the effect of homeopathy, the studies MUST demonstrate that the benefit was not caused by some other factor. In other words, they must have isolated the benefit from homeopathy against the benefit of placebo and confirmation bias and others.

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It works at the energy level and is much more faster and safer. It needs a higher mind to understand homeopathy where as a materialistic mind can easily grasp allopathy because its healaing system basically hovers around the body and the organs and its dissection, anatomy and physiology. It does not take the mind, the thoughts, the emotions, its consciousness, its dreams, its waking, sleeping, semiconscious, unconscious into consideration while treating the body. The body is all they see, the body is all they treat, and the body is all they cut into pieces ultimately and once nothing is left behind for surgery, look upto homeopathy to heal.

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It works at the energy level and is much more faster and safer.

Please define this energy level, and what it is a level of. Also, please share a source which supports your claim.

 

 

It needs a higher mind to understand homeopathy where as a materialistic mind can easily grasp allopathy because its healaing system basically hovers around the body and the organs and its dissection, anatomy and physiology.

Please define "higher mind." This is pretty much ambigously defined, unsupported, rubbish. Actually, word salad.

 

 

It does not take the mind, the thoughts, the emotions, its consciousness, its dreams, its waking, sleeping, semiconscious, unconscious into consideration while treating the body.

Please source this assertion, as you are making blanket claims and generalizing about other disciplines in an attempt to give the one you're defending more credence. This is reminiscent of people arguing against evolution in an attempt to support ID.

 

 

The body is all they see, the body is all they treat, and the body is all they cut into pieces ultimately and once nothing is left behind for surgery, look upto homeopathy to heal.

 

What you are doing here is equivalent to writing a work of fiction. Please start sharing some real evidence of your claims or realize that you're not able to prove it.

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Dana Ullman, there is NO evidence that this works, and there NEVER will be any evidence. Any person who believes in this rubbish is deluded to science, and how dare you say we should stick to a scientific debate when all along Homeopathy is NOT REAL science.

 

Note above, I used the word "Believe" when describing Homeopathy. Yeah, that's right, you need belief, not fact to think it works, just like you need belief that God exists and made the world in 6 days and went on the dole on the seventh day.

 

According to a 1970 edition of Webster’s New World dictionary, the word comes from the Latin sciens, present participle of scire, to know. The dictionary says: 1. originally, knowledge. 2. systematized knowledge derived from observation, study and experimentation. 3. a branch of knowledge, especially one concerned with establishing and systematizing facts, principles and methods. 4. a). the systematized knowledge of nature. :shrug:. any branch of this.

 

Homeopathy, for example, is a science because all knowledge pertaining to homeopathic medicines is derived from observation, study and experimentation

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A quick calculation proves that the degree of dilution is equivalent to ONE DROP of the "Medicine" diluted with water/ethanol/sugar to all the atoms in the Solar System. That is some factor of dilution guys!!! {Although there would be debate as to what the solar system encompasses but its still a large dilution none the less} This was shown in one of Richard Dawkins programmes.

 

We don't need the "physical" measurable component to create the cure. we only need the "energetic" component of the naturally ocuring substance.

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Please be specific then and cite specific studies so the rest of us can review them and ensure they are not riddled with the same methodological flaws the previous studies shared had. Also, it would be nice to see what data you are using to form your conclusion "homeopathy is rational science," and "it carries imprints of the medicine" and "life force/vital force."

 

I know in your introduction you stated that you are a physician, but that does not allow you to simply state something and expect it to go without challenge.

 

Now, let's see those citations, as you've made some rather bold claims.

 

Homeopathy is the most rational science with respect to its concepts of health, disease and cure

Vitalism is the metaphysical doctrine that living organisms possess, a non-physical inner force or energy that gives them the property of life.

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(1)trial conducted at the University of Vienna and published in the leading pulmonary medicine journal "chest" in the world...and in the treatment of people with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (the #4 reason that people in the U.S. die today!) -- Frass, M., Dielacher, C., Linkesch, M., Endler, C., Muchitsch, I., Schuster, E., and Kaye, A. Influence of Potassium Dichromate on Tracheal Secretions in Critically Ill Patients, Chest, March 2005.

 

(2) Are the clinical effects of homoeopathy placebo effects? A meta-analysis of placebo-controlled trials

Klaus Linde, Nicola Clausius, Gilbert Ramirez, Dieter Melchart, et al. The Lancet. London: Sep 20, 1997. Vol. 350, Iss. 9081; pg. 834, 10 pgs

 

I have not listed which were listed already

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Homeopathy is the most rational science with respect to its concepts of health, disease and cure

Vitalism is the metaphysical doctrine that living organisms possess, a non-physical inner force or energy that gives them the property of life.

 

Thanks, Doc. That all sounds very poetic and mystical, especially since I've studied kung fu and tai chi for several years. That doesn't make it scientific though.

 

With that said, I'm still waiting on those citations. :shrug:

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(1)trial conducted at the University of Vienna and published in the leading pulmonary medicine journal "chest" in the world...and in the treatment of people with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (the #4 reason that people in the U.S. die today!) -- Frass, M., Dielacher, C., Linkesch, M., Endler, C., Muchitsch, I., Schuster, E., and Kaye, A. Influence of Potassium Dichromate on Tracheal Secretions in Critically Ill Patients, Chest, March 2005.

 

I just read the results and discussions sections of that study:

 

http://www.chestjournal.org/cgi/reprint/127/3/936.pdf

 

No conclusions were drawn, no significant differences between groups were found, and there were a lot of "maybe" and "perhaps" comments used.

 

Population of 54 is small, and also the concentration was less than Avagadro's number.

 

Let's see who's been able to replicate it, because this isn't enough.

 

 

 

(2) Are the clinical effects of homoeopathy placebo effects? A meta-analysis of placebo-controlled trials

Klaus Linde, Nicola Clausius, Gilbert Ramirez, Dieter Melchart, et al. The Lancet. London: Sep 20, 1997. Vol. 350, Iss. 9081; pg. 834, 10 pgs

 

I have not listed which were listed already

 

From that second study, this was rather telling:

 

 

Are the clinical effects of homeopathy placebo eff...[Lancet. 1997] - PubMed Result

"We found insufficient evidence from these studies that homeopathy is clearly efficacious for any single clinical condition."

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Btw... While YouTube can be an effective means of conveying an idea or concept, it hardly qualifies as peer-reviewed research, and doesn't even come close to satisfying the requests made of you.

 

There are YouTube videos saying how evolution is wrong and creationism is the only truth. That doesn't mean they are valid.

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Well, I see you guys are still at it.

As far as I'm concerned, homeopathy must be bogus because there is no effective mechanism for its purported curative power.

The rattles of witch doctors have exactly the same effective mechanism: none at all.

The hand wavings of "aura manipulators" have exactly the same effective mechanism: none at all.

"Energized water" (popular is Russia a few years ago) has exactly the same effective mechanism: none at all.

 

Any medicine or treatment that is only one or two percent better than nothing at all--is worthless. The placebo effect is better than that.

The statistical error factor is bigger than that.

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