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#1 montgomery

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Posted 19 February 2019 - 12:10 PM

https://www.rt.com/o...-gamble-policy/

 

Venezuela's people aren't starving. Russia and China are flying in hundreds of tons of food for the people but Venezuela's Maduro has chosen to not accept US aid. This means that the US is not welcome and it's starting to resemble Syria and Assad's choice. 

 

Will the US attack Venezuela regardless in order to gain control over Venezuela's oil resources?

 

If so, Russia and China will have something to say about that! It may very well be that there are no more opportunities for US aggression in which Russia and China have stakes in the fate of the victim country.



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Posted 23 February 2019 - 12:42 PM

Maduro is challenging Guaido to call a presidential election.

 

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Posted 24 February 2019 - 06:33 AM

https://www.rt.com/o...-gamble-policy/

 

Venezuela's people aren't starving. Russia and China are flying in hundreds of tons of food for the people but Venezuela's Maduro has chosen to not accept US aid. This means that the US is not welcome and it's starting to resemble Syria and Assad's choice. 

 

Will the US attack Venezuela regardless in order to gain control over Venezuela's oil resources?

 

If so, Russia and China will have something to say about that! It may very well be that there are no more opportunities for US aggression in which Russia and China have stakes in the fate of the victim country.

 

If Venezuela chooses not to make use of the resources the US has offered, that is their business.  Trump can't make them take our taxpayer's charity, not that this oil rich nation needs charity.  Military involvement under any pretense by the US would be an act of aggression which should hopefully cause an appropriate response by our own government and the rest of the world against our dictator-in-chief. 



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Posted 24 February 2019 - 08:15 AM

https://www.rt.com/o...-gamble-policy/

 

Venezuela's people aren't starving. Russia and China are flying in hundreds of tons of food for the people but Venezuela's Maduro has chosen to not accept US aid. This means that the US is not welcome and it's starting to resemble Syria and Assad's choice. 

 

Will the US attack Venezuela regardless in order to gain control over Venezuela's oil resources?

 

If so, Russia and China will have something to say about that! It may very well be that there are no more opportunities for US aggression in which Russia and China have stakes in the fate of the victim country.

 

Hey Ivan, you don't know what you are talking about. Maybe you should try some source other than RT for your information?

 

Why Venezuela Is Starving

 

"At the end of July 2018, the National Assembly estimated that each week six Venezuelan children die of starvation. Some of the most important universities in Venezuela made a survey in 2017 (ENCOVI2017) and in that time 87% of Venezuelan households were poor; 9 of 10 Venezuelans could not pay for food; 8.2 million Venezuelans could barely afford 2 or less meals each day — meals with low nutrition and little protein; 6 out of 10 Venezuelans have lost at least 11Kg (24 pounds) of their body weight because of the lack of food. This is set to worsen as the crisis continues"

 

 

And, if the US military, backed by regional allies, decides to take out the dictator Maduro, the wisest decision both Russia and China can make is Get The Fcuk out of the way!

 

You are looking more and more like a Russian troll, Ivan Montgomery. How's things in Moscow these days? Metropole Hotel still have the harpist playing at breakfast?



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Posted 24 February 2019 - 08:16 AM

If Venezuela chooses not to make use of the resources the US has offered, that is their business.  Trump can't make them take our taxpayer's charity, not that this oil rich nation needs charity.  Military involvement under any pretense by the US would be an act of aggression which should hopefully cause an appropriate response by our own government and the rest of the world against our dictator-in-chief. 

 

Maduro is the dictator, not Trump. I thought you were smarter than that.



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Posted 24 February 2019 - 09:39 AM

Maduro is the dictator, not Trump. I thought you were smarter than that.

 

There is no doubt that Maduro is a dictator, but our commander-in-chief appears to have desires of becoming one himself.



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Posted 24 February 2019 - 09:47 AM

Sounds like a bunch of self-inflicted wounds to me...

 

The economy of Venezuela is largely based on the petroleum sector and manufacturing.[16] In 2014, total trade amounted to 48.1% of the country's GDP. Exports accounted for 16.7% of GDP and petroleum products accounted for about 95% of those exports.[17]Venezuela is the sixth largest member of OPEC by oil production. Since the 1920s, Venezuela has been a rentier state, offering oil as its main export.[18] From the 1950s to the early 1980s, the Venezuelan economy experienced a steady growth that attracted many immigrants, with the nation enjoying the highest standard of living in Latin America. During the collapse of oil prices in the 1980s, the economy contracted the monetary sign, commenced a progressive devaluation and inflation skyrocketed to reach peaks of 84% in 1989 and 99% in 1996, three years prior to Hugo Chávez taking office. The nation, however, has experienced hyperinflation since 2015 far exceeding the oil price collapse of the 1990s. 

 

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#8 montgomery

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Posted 24 February 2019 - 12:07 PM

Hey Ivan, you don't know what you are talking about. Maybe you should try some source other than RT for your information?

 

Why Venezuela Is Starving

 

"At the end of July 2018, the National Assembly estimated that each week six Venezuelan children die of starvation. Some of the most important universities in Venezuela made a survey in 2017 (ENCOVI2017) and in that time 87% of Venezuelan households were poor; 9 of 10 Venezuelans could not pay for food; 8.2 million Venezuelans could barely afford 2 or less meals each day — meals with low nutrition and little protein; 6 out of 10 Venezuelans have lost at least 11Kg (24 pounds) of their body weight because of the lack of food. This is set to worsen as the crisis continues"

 

 

And, if the US military, backed by regional allies, decides to take out the dictator Maduro, the wisest decision both Russia and China can make is Get The Fcuk out of the way!

 

You are looking more and more like a Russian troll, Ivan Montgomery. How's things in Moscow these days? Metropole Hotel still have the harpist playing at breakfast?

The Mises Institute? (snicker)

 

The question is whether or not Russia and/or China are ready to stand in the way. If they do then the US will be stopped short of it's agenda to lay claim to Venezuela's oil resources. 

 

When Russia becomes involved, it no longer is a US proxy war in which the US has nothing to risk. As was the case in Syria, the Syrian people's choice was upheld by Russia's invited influence in country and the US PNAC plan was stopped short! Venezuela may not be the US's 41st. war of aggression since WW2 ended. The US may have already had it's last. 

 

I'm not a Russia, I'm a Canadian, but I'm entirely sympathetic with Maduro's cause. His country isn't starving and Russia/China aid is pouring in to make up any shortages Venezuela is experiencing.

 

The US fully understands the meaning of MAD. (mutually assured destruction. Pull in your horns comrade Breeze. 



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Posted 24 February 2019 - 12:12 PM

Sounds like a bunch of self-inflicted wounds to me...

 

 

But it definitely looks to be the same as with Iraq. Another US planned war of aggression for oil. All the troubles Venezuela is experiencing now can be traced back to US interference. 

 

Isn't it interesting that so many Americans can still be convinced that their country needs to go to war with another small country to save the people from starvation by slaughtering them under bombs from 30,000'! 



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Posted 24 February 2019 - 02:12 PM

I personally do not care if the gasoline I am pumping is refined from oil from a communist nation or an Islamic dictatorship, although I would prefer to use domestically sourced oil or bio-fuels.  My car is not connoisseur enough to taste the difference.


Edited by fahrquad, 24 February 2019 - 02:12 PM.


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Posted 24 February 2019 - 02:30 PM

As of 2017, the US imported 10.14 million barrels a day and exported 6.376 thousand barrels a day, with Mexico being the largest recipient at 1,081 thousand barrels a day.

 

https://www.eia.gov/...EX_mbblpd_a.htm

 

https://www.eia.gov/....php?id=727&t=6



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Posted 24 February 2019 - 02:35 PM

As of September 2018, the leading oil producer in the world was...(insert drum roll)...the United States.

 

"The Lone Star state is on track to produce more oil than either Iran or Iraq. That would make Texas No. 3 in the world if it were a country." 

 

https://money.cnn.co...abia/index.html



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Posted 24 February 2019 - 02:38 PM

Suck on that house of Saud.

 

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#14 montgomery

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Posted 24 February 2019 - 04:19 PM

As of 2017, the US imported 10.14 million barrels a day and exported 6.376 thousand barrels a day, with Mexico being the largest recipient at 1,081 thousand barrels a day.

 

https://www.eia.gov/...EX_mbblpd_a.htm

 

https://www.eia.gov/....php?id=727&t=6

The popular idea that's being promoted by US propagandists is that the US is self-sufficient in oil. But of course that's just another lie. The reason for the lying, weak as it is, is to create the facade of the US not being dependent on other countries for it's oil supply. Of course it is, and that's the reason for the ME wars of aggression and the planned war with Venezuela.

 

Your care may not care what gas it uses but you should care about how many innocent people are murdered to provide the country with the 19-21 million barrels a day it needs. 



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Posted 25 February 2019 - 08:59 AM

The popular idea that's being promoted by US propagandists is that the US is self-sufficient in oil. But of course that's just another lie. The reason for the lying, weak as it is, is to create the facade of the US not being dependent on other countries for it's oil supply. Of course it is, and that's the reason for the ME wars of aggression and the planned war with Venezuela.

 

Your care may not care what gas it uses but you should care about how many innocent people are murdered to provide the country with the 19-21 million barrels a day it needs. 

 

My car gets 24mpp (miles per peasant).  The Mexicans and Venezuelan's make the exhaust smell like tacos.   :rofl:



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Posted 25 February 2019 - 09:04 AM

I am still waiting for my nuclear powered flying car.  Dammit, I was promised a flying car!!!!

 

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#17 montgomery

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Posted 25 February 2019 - 12:17 PM

Maduro is the dictator, not Trump. I thought you were smarter than that.

Who told you that Maduro is a dictator?

 

It's being said that about 40% of Americans aren't able to scrape up $400 to pay for an emergency! And $400 wouldn't even cover the cost of a minor repair bill on their car, never mind a medical emergency! 

 

People in Venezuela don't have to worry about that sort of emergency that would bankrupt their family. Who again is the dictator?

 

And then, fwiw, Cuba's health care is rated roughly equivalent of the US health care by the World Health Organization. Go figure!

 

Take your time. If Cuba, a banana republic can do that with their limited resources, just think of how great yours will be when the people demand a piece of the pie! Ask GAHD about how the rest of the world is lying about their superior health care systems.

 

Maybe America should elect themselves a dictator? A brown skinned one! 

 

 https://www.forbes.c...s/#c20fad11059a


Edited by montgomery, 25 February 2019 - 12:19 PM.