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#69 Moontanman

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 11:39 AM

"Hoax Theory"

UFOs are at the center of one of the biggest hoaxes in the history of the US government and by proxy most other governments as well if no other reason simply by saying other governments reports are less than accurate because they weren't done by the US.

The first two US government investigations offered a strong possibility that some UFOs were nuts and bolts space craft, probably extraterrestrial in origin. Their reports were simply not accepted by a general who said such a thing was impossible. so new investigations came back with what he wanted to hear.

From that time forward the actual thrust of the US government studies of UFOs was to explain them away as hallucinations, misidentified conventional objects, or hoaxes. No real investigations were undertaken, the idea was to prove they were bogus, not to investigate what they were.

Scientists like Dr. Allen Hynek complained about this and eventually left the government study groups, documents released by freedom of information acts verify that the government/military had no interest in UFOs other than to explain them away with the least effort.

In common conspiracy theories you have "men in black" visiting people and telling them things like you must never tell or other wise warning them to keep quiet. The reality was that witnesses were (as craigD suggested) often bullied and badgered into recanting what they saw not into keeping secretes.

Other sightings left tremendous amounts of hard evidence behind but the government's explanations of planet or stars being misidentified was often sillier than alien space craft

Cash-Landrum incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Most people who are skeptics today think that the governments efforts to investigate UFOs was in good faith and resulted in no physical or scientific evidence of anything. This is the real hoax, the government pulled off this hoax for their own reasons but it can be seen in documents and papers that were published at the time.

They did intensionally steer the investigations toward simple things and dismissing people out of hand and ridiculing people was how they worked this "hoax", they were pretty open about it at the time because most people didn't realize that starting out to prove something you believe to be true is not science.

Modern UFO "reports" from places like U-tube and the popular media hype of UFO lends an air of craziness and makes the idea of what the government claimed 40 years ago seem very truthful in comparison with the cottage industry that has grown in popular media to see who can make the best fakes and get the most people to look. this doesn't apply to just UFOs a great many things are hyped this way now days.

The fact remains that UFO studies were fatally flawed by the simple notion that investigations started out with what they wanted to prove instead of starting out to see what the evidence held. Of the few official science investigations done they were often withheld critical evidence unless they were with the "program"

This hoax by the government has taken away all possible credibility of UFOs simply by ridicule and a single minded need to disprove any possible mystery behind UFOs. Some say it was a vast conspiracy due to the government being in direct contact with aliens who exchanged being able to travel and do as they pleased in our sky's for technology. But like most conspiracy stories it ignores a simpler reason that makes more sense in context with the times.

The first two investigations had the bad luck to report to someone who just refused to believe the possibility of such a thing. Like rocks falling from the sky in an earlier time the idea of nuts and bolts space craft was too far outside his world view and the idea we couldn't do anything about it was just too much. Even those reports admitted they had no solid proof just speculations based on what evidence they already had.

Even later independent investigation inside the government tended to side with the possibility of actual alien space craft but were always hushed up in favor of the ridicule and debunking mindset.

The most likely reason the government/military wanted to stop interest in UFOs was the fear that such a belief could be used in an attack and people could be induced into calling in and locking up data sources like telephones and a wide spread panic induced by the soviets this way could make the USA vulnerable to attack.

Even way after this was no longer a likelihood the idea that UFOs must be squashed and people must be convince they are nothing to be concerned about staggered on like lots of government ideas, they never die once they get momentum going. Then there is the almost total inability for the government to admit to being wrong, making a mistake (especially back then) was just not something the government did, they wanted the government to seem incapable of making mistakes.

So the whole idea that UFOs have been scientifically investigated and found to be nothing of significance is simply not true. But of course back then people did lie, they did try to fake stuff but then technology was more advanced than the fakes and the fakes were most often found. But the fact remains that very few UFO sightings were really investigated with scientific rigor.

Sadly I'm not sure we can go back and do most or even any over, witnesses are dead, evidence has just been thrown out due to the success of the government hoax. Now days in part due to the hoax but mostly due to the idea that faking is fun and cool and very easy and very difficult to expose the signal to noise ratio of good sightings to bullshit is far to high to figure out what is really going on if anything.

The hoax theory does not prove UFOs are alien space craft but it does indicate the the idea of UFOs being studied in the context of real science just didn't happen then and other than a few isolated incidents it doesn't happen now.

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 06:44 PM

submitted for your consideration. :alien_dance:

UFO hovering over Mt. St. Helens under cover of clouds. :Alien:

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 08:45 PM

submitted for your consideration. :alien_dance:

UFO hovering over Mt. St. Helens under cover of clouds. :Alien:

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Mount St. Helens VolcanoCams - Mount St. Helens National Volcanic Monument


i've been checking back on the mt.st. helens volcano-cams & while the mountain is now socked in with phat weather, the UFO remains in the image so it must just be some debris stuck to the camera housing. :turtle: anyway, it looked good at first & they say alien craft fly in & out of the cascade volcano shasta to the south of us & there is a place up in trout lake east that videos & hosts watching parties of UFO's operating over the cascades volcano mt. adams. :Alien: :shy: :Alien:

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 09:26 PM

:Alien:

There is no brim hat. :alien_dance:

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 09:44 PM

:Alien:

There is no brim hat. :alien_dance:


to bring out that detail requires some zoomage & a sharpen philter. damned if it not only has a brim, it looks like smoky the bear!! remember; any of you can start a forest fire. learn not to burn. :turtle:

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 11:53 PM

to bring out that detail requires some zoomage & a sharpen philter. damned if it not only has a brim, it looks like smoky the bear!! remember; any of you can start a forest fire. learn not to burn. :Alien:


OMG! See how the edges perfectly bend in! It's...it's.... a BLACK HOLE! :turtle:

Miracles are like meatballs, because nobody can exactly agree what they are made of, where they come from, or how often the should appear, :alien_dance:
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Posted 21 May 2010 - 12:46 AM

OMG! See how the edges perfectly bend in! It's...it's.... a BLACK HOLE! :turtle:

Miracles are like meatballs, because nobody can exactly agree what they are made of, where they come from, or how often the should appear, :alien_dance:
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i don't know what color it is, but there is definitely a hole. an interdimensional port-hole through which the great spaghetti monster ports her minions. i spoke earlier to her sauciness & she instructed me on how to use the smudge function to bring out the brim detail. so wise that one. i will do anything for the c love of garlic. :Alien:

there are no innocent bystanders ... what are they doing there in the first place? :Alien:

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 09:51 PM

Too fuzzy and indistinct to be a meaningful picture of anything. Many so called UFO pics are just fuzzy things on film but many are not. Check this out.

1976 Tehran UFO incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No pic but very interesting...