Spinning Button On A String
Posted 18 January 2005 - 06:06 PM
I have been experimenting for years & it's fascinating in its simplistic complexity.
Posted 22 January 2005 - 07:54 AM
Just out of interest, what made you look into this?
Posted 22 January 2005 - 02:10 PM
___ Mickey Hart in Planet Drum: A Celebration of Percussion and Rhythm by Mickey Hart, Fredric Lieberman, D. A. Sonneborn, talks of the little disks & calls them "diables" I found the Udeghe people of Russia call them Khua & use them for sorcery. It is also called whirligig as a toy from at least 17 century in Europe & America. The research goes on. I invite everyone to make one & give it a whirl
Posted 22 January 2005 - 03:51 PM
Not tried that myself though. Is it a bit like chaos theory, how it works?
Intensive work always pays off. Good luck with your experimenting and have fun
Posted 22 January 2005 - 04:50 PM
Posted 28 January 2005 - 09:32 PM
Posted 14 March 2005 - 03:23 PM
___While the object pictured is claimed as a knife, I believe it is a Diable/Khua, ie. for spinning on a string. The serations & shape would give it a unique sound.
___By the way, the name Khua for the device is from the Udeghe(sp) people of the Russia/China Eastern coastal region.
Posted 14 March 2005 - 03:53 PM
Anyone else play with this as a child? Did you have a name for this?
As a kid??? I still do that! I sometimes use a pair of scissors though (more weight, and therfore easier to maintain motion). I never really thought about it though, i just accepted that it happened and enjoyed. I'm a terrible scientist . Keep up the good work Turtle!
Posted 14 March 2005 - 03:56 PM
Posted 14 March 2005 - 04:23 PM
___Back on topic, attached find a scan of one of my Khua. This one is in the shape of the Vesica Piscis, which I am discussing in the thread by that name. In profile, my Khua is an airfoil. ie. flat on one side & rounded on the other.
___All of the holes in mine are for experimenting with changing the string position & only 2 holes are required. It is interesting to note that the artifact is somewhat antithetical to the vesica piscis, flaring out where mine flares in. Of course now I have to make a Khua in the artifact shape & detail to see how it sounds.
____Thanks for the interest. I will look for some pertinent links to post. Keep on spinning!
Posted 14 March 2005 - 05:00 PM
this for hours.
Posted 15 March 2005 - 01:04 PM
___This is far from a useless observation as it clearly shows that the spin (or toss) of a coin has 3 possible outcomes & not 2. Everyone simply assumes it won't land/stop on edge. Moreover, all probability is based on a single assumption, ie. fairness or equal balance, & as this is a false asuumption, probability is false too.
___Back to the spinning disk on a string, here is a link about the shamanic uses of the Khua by the Udeghe people.
A quote from that link: "They brought a shaman's drum and rattles, jaw harp kunkai and various small musical instruments such as the khua, a twirling disc on a string, to accompany their stories and songs."
Posted 16 March 2005 - 08:18 PM
Posted 24 April 2005 - 10:51 AM
i have to say that is a really crazy sound.
Posted 27 April 2005 - 05:40 PM
___I encourage those of you that have read this & listened to the audio Orby posted for me to make your own Khua/Daible/spinning-disk-on-a-string & explore its manifold qualities.
Posted 28 April 2005 - 03:49 PM
___I haven't tried braided wire yet on a large disk, but I have that in mind as well. I have a vesica piscis shaped disk 4 feet across which is languishing in the garage while I pursue other obsessions.
___I haven't experimented with the optical qualities of designs painted on the disk either yet, but again I have it in mind. This simple little device is a very complex thing once you start to experiment.
___Please feel free to experiment on your own & post up your findings here.