Research on animals for human benefit

[sanctus]

Welcome back sundog.

 

You actually made a good point, though ther is one consequence you speak about which is true now, but it can be changed. Augmentation of human population doesn't have to be equivalent to increasing the extintion rate of animals.It's just the way we tend to live and produce today that makes it be like that,, that's why I fight for a "durable developpement" (I'm not sure if it's the right term in english, but you get what I mean: a [for nature] sustainable way of living and producing with not much loss of comfort).

[Tormod]

I think the term you're looking for is "sustainable development".

 

This is a very interesting thread, sanctus.

[sundog]

Originally posted by: sanctus

Augmentation of human population doesn't have to be equivalent to increasing the extintion rate of animals.It's just the way we tend to live and produce today that makes it be like that

 

I agree completely. But, considering the extinction that goes on isn't

"noticeable" in our daily lives, change will not come easy. Especially

when the results of any change we may make are equally unnoticeable.

We need incentive to change. The loss of species is enough for some,

but others need something more directly rewarding.

 

I remember as a child, you could get money for taking back your empty

glass soda bottles to the store. I think this idea stopped some time

in the mid eighties (at least where I live). I guess it became cheaper

to make plastic bottles which are thrown away, rather than washing and

re-using the glass ones.

 

I would like see this idea reintroduced, perhaps even be applied to

everything we can recycle. If we get a financial reward for recycling

it will surely be more popular.

 

 

 

sundog

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: sanctus

In your thought experiment it's only about surviving,

Isn't that the point? Human survival as primary over concern for other species. Be it experimentation to rid HUMAN species of disease to assure survival or food sources.

 

The thought experiements just allows us to understand the concept of species interaction and biases.

[sanctus]

No, because we have the choice how to survive; in our dayly live it's not just about surviving, it's not only the end that counts also the how (because we have the choice).In your thought experiment there is no choice that minimizes suffering, in real life there is.

[sanctus]

Sundog, there exists something called PET it's the re-use of old plastic bottles and in Switzerland there still exists the tax on glass bottles which you get back if you bring the bottle back.

 

À part from that change is coming, eventually the Kyoto protocol is ratified by the neccessary % of the worlds surface, for example. Losing hope is no good, it's the last thing one has.

[sundog]

Originally posted by: sanctus

Sundog, there exists something called PET it's the re-use of old plastic bottles and in Switzerland there still exists the tax on glass bottles which you get back if you bring the bottle back.

 

À part from that change is coming, eventually the Kyoto protocol is ratified by the neccessary % of the worlds surface, for example. Losing hope is no good, it's the last thing one has.

 

Sanctus,

 

I'm aware that efforts are being made, and some things "are" being

re-used and recycled. My point was about the difficulty of change.

 

When we have success in our individual lives, the endorphins flow

and we get that "feel good" factor. This helps us repeat the things

that are good for us. Just as when things go bad, you get the opposite,

so we don't repeat mistakes. We all like to do the things that make us

feel good. So, making changes in our lifestyle "habitual" may be harder

if there's no obvious reward. Harder still if we're giving up some benefit

or luxury.

 

My posts may seem negative but, I haven't lost hope. I know change

will come. It's just that the more each of us do now, the more can be

saved. We don't have to wait for governments to impose laws to make

a difference.

 

 

 

sundog