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infamous Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188940,00.htmlWelcome to Hypography cyclonebuster, do you have any opinions about this subject, we'd like to hear what you think.....................Infy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclonebuster Posted March 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Welcome to Hypography cyclonebuster, do you have any opinions about this subject, we'd like to hear what you think.....................Infy Here is what I think since I helped for 20 years of creating the problem working for a power company at a fossil power plant.Who would know best as to reverse the current problem.My tunnels do just that and at the same time prevent tornado's and weaken hurricanes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Here is what I think since I helped for 20 years of creating the problem working for a power company at a fossil power plant.Who would know best as to reverse the current problem.My tunnels do just that and at the same time prevent tornado's and weaken hurricanes.Your idea is about the undersea tubes that have waterflow due to differing temperatures at top and bottom? I am looking for the thread but I can't find it. I am thrown off because your post count is so low like you just joined. Here is another post of yours from january 8. http://hypography.com/forums/earth-science/5047-pascals-bernoullis-principle-weakens-hurricanes.html?highlight=hurricane Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclonebuster Posted March 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Your idea is about the undersea tubes that have waterflow due to differing temperatures at top and bottom? I am looking for the thread but I can't find it. I am thrown off because your post count is so low like you just joined. Here is another post of ours from january 8. http://hypography.com/forums/earth-science/5047-pascals-bernoullis-principle-weakens-hurricanes.html?highlight=hurricane Bill Here is how the tunnels work. -----Original Message----- From: Kerry Emanuel [mailto:@texmex.mit.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:26 AM To: Pat McNulty Subject: RE: Pascal's and Bernoulli's principle weakens hurricanes Pat: I have not had time to run calculations on your idea, but I do not see an obvious reason why it might not work. The technical issue would be with the volume of water required. Since you are effectively mixing heat in ocean columns, you would be warming water at depth in proportion to the surface cooling, and one should explore the consequences of this. As you may imagine, this past season's storms have renewed interest in hurricane modification and quite a few proposals are being fielded. I am working with some other faculty at MIT to initiate a funding program for such proposals as yours; if we succeed I will let you know and there would then be a mechanism for you to get funding to work on this. Yours, Kerry At 01:36 PM 12/13/2005, you wrote: >Kerry, > This idea of mine keeps coming back to you. What do you suggest I do? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Phil Klotzbach [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:18 AM >To: Pat McNulty >Subject: Re: Pascal's and Bernoulli's principle weakens hurricanes > >Dear Pat, > >I would suggest contacting Kerry Emanuel at MIT: > >@texmex.mit.edu > >He is a brilliant dynamicist. If he cannot help you, he can probably point >you in the right direction. > >Phil > >---------------------------------------------------- >Phil Klotzbach >Research Associate >Department of Atmospheric Science >Colorado State University >[email protected] >Phone: (970) 491-8605 >----------------------------------------------------- >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Pat McNulty" >To: "'Phil Klotzbach'" >Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:03 AM >Subject: RE: Pascal's and Bernoulli's principle weakens hurricanes > > > > Who might those persons be? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Phil Klotzbach [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:00 AM > > To: Pat McNulty > > Subject: Re: Pascal's and Bernoulli's principle weakens hurricanes > > > > Dear Pat, > > > > A couple of points: > > > > 1) When you submit a paper to a scientific journal, you don't cite > > personal > > references > > > > 2) I don't think I'm really the right person for you to be talking with, > > since if you want constructive feedback, you should talk to someone who > > has > > a better dynamical view of hurricane genesis and intensification than I > > do. > > I mostly work with statistical prediction of tropical cyclones. > > > > Good luck with your idea. > > > > Phil > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Phil Klotzbach > > Research Associate > > Department of Atmospheric Science > > Colorado State University > > [email protected] > > Phone: (970) 491-8605 > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pat McNulty" > > To: "'Phil Klotzbach'" > > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:01 AM > > Subject: RE: Pascal's and Bernoulli's principle weakens hurricanes > > > > > >> Would you like to see results of computer modeling of the idea? > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Phil Klotzbach [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 6:22 AM > >> To: Pat McNulty > >> Subject: Re: Pascal's and Bernoulli's principle weakens hurricanes > >> > >> If you write up your idea and explain physically why it should work, they > >> may publish it. We've had some papers rejected from both Science and > >> Nature > >> > >> before, so it's no slam-dunk. But, if you want to see your idea go > >> forward, > >> > >> it's worth a shot. That's about all the advice I have. > >> > >> Phil > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------- > >> Phil Klotzbach > >> Research Associate > >> Department of Atmospheric Science > >> Colorado State University > >> [email protected] > >> Phone: (970) 491-8605 > >> ----------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > > > > ______________________________________________ Kerry A. Emanuel Professor of Meteorology Rm. 54-1620, MIT Phone: (617) 253-2462 77 Mass. Ave. Fax: (617) 324-0308 Cambridge, MA 02139 Email: @texmex.mit.edu Web: http://wind.mit.edu/~emanuel/home.html From: Michael Oppenheimer [[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 4:40 AM To: Pat McNulty Subject: RE: Bernoulli's equation used to modify hurricanes and tornados's Sounds plausible. Questions I would ask include the cost of construction, cost of maintaining the system, side effects to the local marine environment. Whether it actually would work ought to be tested with some modeling. You could contact Kerry Emanuel at MIT to see what he thinks of the possibility of modeling it to see if it actually works as envisioned. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Pat McNulty [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 1:19 AM To: 'Michael Oppenheimer' Subject: RE: Bernoulli's equation used to modify hurricanes and tornados's Here is how it will work. Anchor a large tunnel to the sea floor like a buoy but in several locations around the tunnel to hold it fast to the sea bed. Position it to where one open end opposes the current at depth where the cool water is and the other open end at the surface faces away from the current. What happens is a difference in pressure is created at both ends and when a pressure difference is created flow occurs. That is the beauty of Bernoulli's principle. Cool water is bought up from below thus mixing with the warm water at the surface. The tunnel is neutrally buoyant with the top end just under the surface. Remember it can only work where there is a current. No current, no difference in pressure. Also, enough electricity can be generated for millions of people in Florida. With the use of both of these principles combined no pumps are needed since the water will flow up the tunnel naturally. They can also be placed in the Yucatan and Caribbean currents thus cooling the Gulf of Mexico via the loop current thus saving the Gulf States, if placed SW of Key West They will save the whole East coast Of North America. The SSTs can be regulated to 70 to 80 degrees by the addition of a gate on the discharge end of the tunnel that regulates the flow of cool water flowing from them. The idea does not eliminate the hurricanes it modifies them to a much weaker state no more than a catagory one by regulating the SSTs. The transfer of heat to the mid latitudes still occurs. The ocean temperature is regulated between 70 and 75 degrees and therefore as the storm crosses the cooler water it just weakens but it is not eliminated. BTW during the winter the temperature of the gulf is below 70 degrees so this should not harm sea life. tornado's may not even form in the mid west because of the cooler temperatures in the Gulf thus cooling the warm air migrating to the North out of the Gulf Of Mexico. Since the air is cooler not as much lift is created in the atmosphere for tornados to form. Pascal's principle: F1 is the force of the gulf stream exerts on the mouth of the tunnel at depth. http://www.scientia.org/cadonline/P...uids/pascal.ASP Bernoulli's principle: A negative pressure is created when the gulf stream rushs pass the exit of the tunnel near the surface. http://theory.uwinnipeg.ca/mod_tech/node68.html All I did was combine both principles together to make the thing work with the tunnel. Any thoughts? Thanks, Pat McNulty --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Michael Oppenheimer [[email protected]] Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 12:52 PM To: Pat McNulty Subject: RE: Bernoulli's equation used to modify hurricanes and tornados's Interesting idea. Let me think about it some more. Generally, I'm skeptical of geo-engineering but maybe you've got something here. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Pat McNulty [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Bernoulli's equation used to modify hurricanes and tornados's Michael, I have two neat ideas to modify hurricanes that will work physically. Bernoulli's Principle and underwater tunnels can weaken hurricanes just as the principle works on an airplanes wing creating lift. It works for fluids and gasses. They can create upwelling in the path of a storm thus weaken it. They can only work where a current exists such as the Gulf stream current or the Caribbean and Yucatan currents. The current that runs through the tunnels can be turned on or off and can restore proper temperatures to the oceans sea surface temperatures thus regulating them. If placed in the proper locations these tunnels would reduce a hurricane or tornado's impact. It may even prevent a tornado from forming at all. These tunnels by product can produce enough electricity for the world without warming the planet. Wow imagine the effects when a billion more people buy cars and get electricity in just 15 years in China. Any thoughts?? This next email is from Hugh Willoughby. http://www.ihc.fiu.edu/people/bios/willoughby.htm As I wrote earlier, the loop current is hundreds of kilometers across and its position varies greatly from year to year. What makes the scoops not completely nuts as a proposal is the narrowness and fixed position of the Gulf Stream in the Straits and off Florida's SE coast. In terms of climatology, Greater Miami is the most vulnerable major city in the US. Only Miami has the configuration of a deep "western boundary" current directly offshore. Thus this scheme, if it proves feasible, would work only for Miami and only for Andrew-like storms. The city would remain vulnerable to late season storms, which approach from the SW, like WILMA hew From: "Pat McNulty" Date: 2005/10/23 Sun AM 12:15:36 EDT To: Subject: RE: Scoops( Under water Tunnels) Isn't there also a loop current in the central gulf? If so it may prevent one from becoming organized and prevent rapid development thus the impact would be less at landfall. Hopefully, ssts have been cooled by the other storms this year. However, any big city that can be protected should be protected if such technology exists. It is just going to get worse if we just sit on our hands. I predict storms getting much worse than they are now. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 6:13 PM To: Pat McNulty Subject: Re: Scoops( Under water Tunnels) Hugh, I bet those tunnels are cost effective now???? ANY THOUGHTS? 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Queso Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Man we need to build those tunnels! My father said he would fund you 75million$,He is very interested.Contact me Via PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclonebuster Posted May 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Man we need to build those tunnels! My father said he would fund you 75million$,He is very interested.Contact me Via PM. That isn't enough money. Thanks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zythryn Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 I would also question the effect raising the temperature at greater depths would have. Have you run any models about how this would affect the gulf stream? How about the affects on ecosystems? Interesting concept. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclonebuster Posted May 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 I would also question the effect raising the temperature at greater depths would have. Have you run any models about how this would affect the gulf stream? How about the affects on ecosystems? Interesting concept. Mark Since the idea only mixes columns of ocean water and the net average temp. at the surface is only 70 degrees it doesn't harm the sealife if lowered slowly over a few hours. Sealife seems to flourish in such temporate waters for some reason.However,70 degrees is devistating to a hurricane if one were to pass over it.Only prior to the time when a hurricane is forecast to make landfall is when the cooling phase begins about five days out.The cool water at depth in the ocean is so huge the effects won't change it even 1/10 of a degree regionally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclonebuster Posted May 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Also, since they produce so much electrical power they remove the need for fossil fuels which is thought to slow the stream with global warming.So in effect by removing the need for fossil fuels the stream flow returns back to normal!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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