alexander Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=174400748 LOL, not kidding, well first of all, according to the DMCA, scotch tape is illegal :shrug:but apparently if you put a fingernail-thick piece of an opaque scotch tape on the outer edge of a CD, then the cd is treated as an ordinary single-layer CD which makes it burnable by ordinary programs... People have way too much free time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 I recall hearing before you can do the same by using a felt tip marker on the edge. I wonder if the tape has to be 'Scotch' or if any brand will do? :shrug: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexander Posted November 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 but sharpies are not legal according to DMCA either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexander Posted November 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 basically its anything to make the edge opaque and make a small error, but not enough to hurt data... (if you draw too much with a pen, you are screwed, but if you are just using the tape :shrug: (any opaque tape, not brand specific) ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 ___Ahhh. I re-read the link & see they do mention the pen. I also missed on my first read the part about them putting sneaky stuff on peoples' machines. :shrug: Of course, they wouldn't need protection if it weren't for all the thieves. I bet the musicians get the biggest shaft of all. :umno: If what goes around, comes around, why not make square disks? :umno: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tormod Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 I prefer my Scotch bottled, not on tape. :shrug: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockytriton Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 scotch tape isn't illegal, it's just illegal to use it for an illegal purpose, such as hacking digital copyright protection. It's also illegal to use scotch tape to bind someone to a chair against their will, although duct tape is much better for this purpose... not that I have any experience with this! :shrug: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigD Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 Sony and other’s latest string in a long history of DRM blunders is funny for sure, but let’s not get lured into the false sense that proponents of DRM and the DMCA are too inept to ever succeed, nor forget what their immediate and ultimate goals actually are. DRM forays into software protection schemes on general-purpose computing and media hardware are marginal efforts – no well-informed people expect them to succeed significantly. The real, immediate focus of DRM is the implementation of expanded “trusted computing” schemes in hardware – monolithic media reading devices that are physically incapable of violating DRM permissions. Unlike individual users, hardware manufacturers are potentially easy to make comply with legal and contractual requirements honoring even simplistic DRM schemes, such as “digital watermarking”. The replacement of current media reading devices, which are capable of accessing data in raw form, with “locked down” ones, need not involve sinister RIAA raids in the wee hours of the morning to seize offending hardware – it need only wait for existing hardware, with its many non-field-replaceable moving parts, to wear out, and assure that only restricted function replacements are available. Even that venerable copy protection scheme defeater of last resort – capturing analog output (as a true last resort, one can always mike a speaker) – is not invulnerable. DRM proponents are actively exploring the possibilities of applying DMCA-type legal restriction on such low-level hardware as Analog-to/from-Digital converters, in an effort to sever the analog-digital connection we now take for granted on most available hardware. In sociological terms, the ultimate goal of DRM proponents is the transformation of society from a “Free culture” to a “Permission culture”. Follow the links to an (appropriately enough) free copy of Lessig’s book “Free Culture” for a fairly scholarly explanation of these terms. Lessig, you may recall, is famous for arguing, and loosing, the case of Eldred v. Ashcroft before the US Supreme Court in 2002. I don’t mean to sound completely the prophet of doom and gloom – there are plenty of effective opponents of the scary scenarios I paint, from advocacy groups like the EFF to big-money private business niches like pro audio. ADC/DACs can always be cobbled together on a breadboard or a DIY circuit board. However, if DRM defeating comes to require pricey and uncommon pro audio/video equipment or obvious electronic hobbyist gear, “sinister RIAA raids in the wee hours of the morning” begin to look less impractical, and more seriously worrying. Tormod 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgrmdave Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 So long as the information is digital and availible, someone, somewhere, will find some way to copy it and make it availible for free. There is no foolproof DRM scheme, and because it doesn't take much to copy digital media, even a small chink in the armor of DRM is easily exploited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockytriton Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 in fact, if you can hear music, it can be made into an mp3. Either really poor quality with a microphone, or plug the headphone/aux jack into your computer's line-in and record that way, there is no such thing as copy protection when it comes to music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigD Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 So long as the information is digital and availible, someone, somewhere, will find some way to copy it and make it availible for free. There is no foolproof DRM scheme, and because it doesn't take much to copy digital media, even a small chink in the armor of DRM is easily exploited.Suppose all available sound cards detect the absence of a digital watermark matching a CPU serial number, and refuse to convert digital signal that lacks it to analog?in fact, if you can hear music, it can be made into an mp3. Either really poor quality with a microphone, or plug the headphone/aux jack into your computer's line-in and record that way, there is no such thing as copy protection when it comes to music.Supose your soundcard has no analog in or out (or any other) jack? Nothing physically possible can be made impossible, but it can be made very inconvenient. That which is inconvenient is potentially uncommon, and that which is uncommon can be effectively outlawed. Note that I’m playing devil’s advocate and painting an extreme picture. My intention is to encourage everyone to think beyond the hardware you’ve currently at hand, to the hardware you may have to replace it with in 5 years, keeping in mind the questions: “can you (or someone you know and trust) repair it?” “Can you manufacture it yourself?” And, if you answer one or both questions yes, “how many of you are there?”:QuestionM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgrmdave Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 Supose your soundcard has no analog in or out (or any other) jack? At some point a digital signal is turned into analog, and at that point you can capture it. Suppose all available sound cards detect the absence of a digital watermark matching a CPU serial number, and refuse to convert digital signal that lacks it to analog? An mp3 is only 0's and 1's, any serial number will simply be contained within them. Change the file to reflect as such, and it will play. Assume they're protected in such a way that I can't edit any mp3 files on my computer. It's simple enough to change the file extension and make it not an mp3, then I can edit it. Assuming that it doesn't let me, I can run it through an 'encryption' program that copies the file to a different format that is editable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexander Posted November 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 Suppose all available sound cards detect the absence of a digital watermark matching a CPU serial number, and refuse to convert digital signal that lacks it to analog?that's when you know that you need to switch to Linux... Nothing physically possible can be made impossible, but it can be made very inconvenient. That which is inconvenient is potentially uncommon, and that which is uncommon can be effectively outlawed.but that's what computers help us acheive, make all the inconveniences that much more convenient...So long as the information is digital and availible, someone, somewhere, will find some way to copy it and make it availible for free. There is no foolproof DRM scheme, and because it doesn't take much to copy digital media, even a small chink in the armor of DRM is easily exploited.Perhaps the most sensible thing i have heard in a while, this thing was supposed to make you giggle too, it is hilarious for people in the world where no media protection exists... seriously, i have spoken about this many times with many different security people, no matter how much you try to secure anything (and copy protection is nothing more then securing the media), physical security is the #1 priority, if anyone who is willing to do unlawful things has physical access to what they are trying to break, it makes it a gazillion times easier to do so then it would be with no physical access to the same thing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockytriton Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 the 0s and 1s aren't the problem, it's the 128 bit encryption to get that key out that's the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexander Posted November 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 dude for 128 bit encryption on music, you will need really good hardware to play it seamlessly to begin with, lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldhead Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 As long as FM radio is on the airwaves people will be able to copy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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