Essay Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 This is an idea I have long wondered about, did disease brought in by Homo sapiens wipe out the Neanderthals? jp.dk - Illness brought down early human rival: scientist Heck, we decimate our own species as we migrate around; it only makes sense, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted July 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Were Neanderthals already poised for extinction before humans showed up? Neanderthals Were Few and Poised for Extinction Neanderthals Were Few and Poised for Extinction | LiveScience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted July 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Human Stabbed a Neanderthal, Evidence Suggests Newly analyzed remains suggest that a modern human killed a Neanderthal man in what is now Iraq between 50,000 and 75,000 years ago. The finding is scant but tantalizing evidence for a theory that modern humans helped to kill off the Neanderthals. The probable weapon of choice: A thrown spear. The evidence: A lethal wound on the remains of a Neanderthal skeleton. The victim: A 40- to 50-year-old male, now called Shanidar 3, with signs of arthritis and a sharp, deep slice in his left ninth rib. Human Stabbed a Neanderthal, Evidence Suggests | LiveScience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted August 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 More on the demise of the Neanderthals The Mysterious Downfall of the NeandertalsPaleoanthropologists know more about Neandertals than any other extinct human. But their demise remains a mystery, one that gets curiouser and curiouser The Mysterious Downfall of the Neandertals: Scientific American Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelangelica Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 What was Lucy? I have stopped calling knuckle-dragging, idiot Homo sapiens "neandertahal" as it seems it is a compliment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jab2 Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 What was Lucy?Australopithecus afarensis. See also Lucy's Story at the Institute of human origin at Arizona State. A very interesting multimedia piece on anthropology and Lucy's place in the human line can be seen at Becoming human. Back to Neanderthals. The SciAm link provided by Moontanman are very informative and raises very interesting possibilities regards the demise of Neanderthals. I also found a list of 10 misconceptions about Neanderthal this morning at Top 10 Misconceptions About Neanderthals - Listverse From what I know on the subject it is relatively accurate. Interesting though is the comments below. It is just amazing how common it is for people to participate in discussions on subjects they have no clue about. :hyper: I can also recommend Brian Sykes' book "The seven daughters of Eve" mentioned by Maddog. Not exclusively Neanderthal, but a very good read from a DNA point of view. The Earth Children series http://www.amazon.com/Earths-Children-Complete-5-Set/dp/B0010XHYYQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1249729294&sr=1-1 by Jean M Auel was mentioned previously. I stumbled across the first book, Clan of the Cavebear http://www.amazon.com/Clan-Cave-Bear-Jean-Auel/dp/0553381679/ref=pd_sim_dbs_b_1, during 1984 and has read all of them. I was impressed with the research done in making a fictional series of books sound like history on a day to day level of a Cro-Magnon woman. My interest in Anthropology have increase quite a lot since reading the books so I must confess the Neanderthal angle, I presume as being represented by Ayla's foster clan, has either escaped me or my memory is slipping due to age. Will have to re-read the series. BTW, why does the forum suddenly paste thumbnails like above. I inserted the URLs as normal by selecting text and paste the URL into the box provided by clicking the globe and chain icon above the edit window? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted November 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 More info on the whole "Did Humans and Neanderthals mate" debate! Modern man had sex with NeanderthalsModern man and Neanderthals had sex across the species barrier, according to leading geneticist Professor Svante Paabo. Modern man had sex with Neanderthals - Telegraph I can see it all now, a cave looking out over the river, a carpet of soft moss all over the inside of his cave, a mammoth skin full of water covered in furs for his bed, yeah allyoop was quite the lover boy! How could those Cro-Magon men have resisted :eek: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffy Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 He's "sure" and now he's "looking for data"... Gosh, what ever happened to newspaper editors? When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy, :shrug:Buffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemit Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Well, I see it isn't likely we f***ed them out of existence, according to a recent study: Genetic study of Neanderthal DNA reveals early split between humans and Neanderthals. As for the idea that we killed all of them because one Neanderthal was killed by a spear that might have been made by a homo sapiens, I'd love to defend any homo sapiens who might be accused of the killing. That kind of extrapolation always reminds me of Thor Heyerdahl, who in turn reminds me of: YouTube - Monty Python: Emigration from Surbiton to Hounslow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgHsCyWkB5g --lemit p.s. Newspaper editors were victims of the communications equivalent of Gresham's Law's bad money: TV news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted January 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Here is some more on Neanderthals not being less than Homo sapiens. Britain's Last Neanderthals Were More Sophisticated Than We Thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelangelica Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Here is some more on Neanderthals not being less than Homo sapiens. Britain's Last Neanderthals Were More Sophisticated Than We Thought They don't say exactly how many tools they found. Why would such precious ojects be just left? It used to be that calling someone a"neanderthal" was an insult. As we learn more about them the name is increasingly becoming a compliment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted January 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 They don't say exactly how many tools they found. Why would such precious ojects be just left? It used to be that calling someone a"neanderthal" was an insult. As we learn more about them the name is increasingly becoming a compliment. I have often wondered why such tools would just be left, I suspect that not only were such tools a little more disposable than we think but that like us those people just lost things occasionally. I know I've lost some pretty important stuff just in my yard but such tools probably had a life time over which the edge had to be redone occasionally and possibly just making a new one was easier than redoing the edge on an old one? It is a puzzle I haven't seen addressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted January 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Evidence of sophisticated 'human' behaviour some 750 000 years b.p.: Modern behavior of early humans found half-million years earlier than thought Modern behavior of early humans found half-million years earlier than previously thought Human Ancestors Were Homemakers | LiveScience http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/22/science/22archaeo.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted January 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Evidence that Neanderthals may have used body paint/makeup and were more sophisticated than we thought. BBC News - Neanderthal 'make-up' containers discovered Heavy Brows, High Art?: Newly Unearthed Painted Shells Show Neandertals Were Homo sapiens 's Mental Equals: Scientific American Neanderthals were not stupid, indicates new evidence .:. newkerala.com Online News -27211 Prehistoric Jewelry Reveals Neanderthal Fashion Sense : Discovery News Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted October 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Two new links on the possibility that Neanderthals were hastened to their demise by erupting volcanoes. Another recent link seems to indicate hat at least one of the areas involved was the flower of Neanderthal civilization... well bud anyway.... http://www.physorg.com/news205059829.html http://www.sci-tech-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=13000CWJXTBO Here is the link about a relatively advanced Neanderthal culture near one of the volcanoes ... http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100921171412.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted October 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 More on neanderthals... Three Neanderthal Sub-Groups Confirmed ScienceDaily (Apr. 15, 2009) — The Neanderthals inhabited a vast geographical area extending from Europe to western Asia and the Middle East 30,000 to 100,000 years ago. Now, a group of researchers are questioning whether or not the Neanderthals constituted a homogenous group or separate sub-groups (between which slight differences could be observed). http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090415075150.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted October 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 More on our closest reletives.... Neanderthals Had Feelings Too, Say Researchers ScienceDaily (Oct. 5, 2010) — Pioneering new research by archaeologists at the University of York suggests that Neanderthals belied their primitive reputation and had a deep seated sense of compassion. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/10/101005085505.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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