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[Moontanman]

Is this just the anti Islam ravings of a crazy or is there something to this? I get this type of stuff often, comments please.

 

From the internet.

 

Speech: Geert Wilders in New York, 25 september 2008

 

Dear friends,

 

Thank you very much for inviting me. Great to be at the Four Seasons. I come from a

country that has one season only: a rainy season that starts January 1st and

ends December 31st. When we have three sunny days in a row, the government

declares a national emergency. So Four Seasons, that's new to me.

 

It's great to be in New York.

When I see the skyscrapers and office buildings, I think of what Ayn Rand said:

"The sky over New York and the will of man made visible." Of course.

Without the Dutch you would have been nowhere, still figuring out how to buy this

island from the Indians. But we are glad we did it for you. And, frankly, you did

a far better job than we possibly could have done.

 

I come to America with a mission. All is not well in the old world. There is a

tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be optimistic. We might be in the final

stages of the Islamization of Europe. This not only is a clear and present

danger to the future of Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the

sheer survival of the West. The danger I see looming is the scenario of America as the

last man standing. The United States as the last bastion of Western

civilization, facing an Islamic Europe. In a generation or two, the US will ask itself: who lost Europe?

Patriots from around Europe risk their lives

every day to prevent precisely this scenario form becoming a reality.

 

My short lecture consists of 4 parts.

 

First I will describe the situation on the ground in Europe.

Then, I will say a few things about Islam. Thirdly, if you are still here, I

will talk a little bit about the movie you just saw. To close I will tell you

about a meeting in Jerusalem.

 

The Europe you know is changing. You have probably seen the

landmarks. The Eiffel Tower and Trafalgar

Square and Rome's

ancient buildings and maybe the canals of Amsterdam.

They are still there. And they still look very much the same as they did a

hundred years ago.

 

But in all of these cities, sometimes a few blocks away from your tourist destination,

there is another world, a world very few visitors see - and one that does not

appear in your tourist guidebook. It is the world of the parallel society

created by Muslim mass-migration. All throughout Europe

a new reality is rising: entire Muslim neighbourhoods where very few indigenous

people reside or are even seen. And if they are, they might regret it. This

goes for the police as well. It's the world of head scarves, where women walk

around in figureless tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their

husbands, or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead. With mosques

on many street corner. The shops have signs you and I cannot read. You will be

hard-pressed to find any economic activity. These are Muslim ghettos controlled

by religious fanatics. These are Muslim neighbourhoods, and they are

mushrooming in every city across Europe. These

are the building-blocks for territorial control of increasingly larger portions

of Europe, street by street, neighbourhood by

neighbourhood, city by city.

 

There are now thousands of mosques throughout Europe.

With larger congregations than there are in churches. And in every European

city there are plans to build super-mosques that will dwarf every church in the

region. Clearly, the signal is: we rule.

 

Many European cities are already one-quarter Muslim: just take Amsterdam,

Marseille and Malmo in Sweden. In many

cities the majority of the under-18 population is Muslim. Paris is now surrounded by a ring of Muslim

neighbourhoods. Mohammed is the most popular name among boys in many cities. In

some elementary schools in Amsterdam

the farm can no longer be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning

the pig, and that would be an insult to Muslims. Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to

all pupils. In once-tolerant Amsterdam

gays are beaten up almost exclusively by Muslims. Non-Muslim women routinely

hear "whore, whore". Satellite dishes are not pointed to local TV stations,

but to stations in the country of origin. In France

school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims,

including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin. The history of

the Holocaust can in many cases no longer be taught because of Muslim

sensitivity. In England

sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system. Many

neighbourhoods in France

are no-go areas for women without head scarves. Last week a man almost

died after being beaten up by Muslims in Brussels,

because he was drinking during the Ramadan. Jews are fleeing France in

record numbers, on the run for the worst wave of anti-Semitism since World War

II. French is now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya, Israel.

I could go on forever with stories like this. Stories about Islamization.

 

A total of fifty-four million Muslims now live in Europe.

San Diego University

recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim just 12 years from now. Bernhard

Lewis has predicted a Muslim majority by the end of this century.

 

Now these are just numbers. And the numbers would not be threatening if the

Muslim-immigrants had a strong desire to assimilate. But there are few signs of

that. The Pew Research

Center reported that half of French

Muslims see their loyalty to Islam as greater than their loyalty to France.

One-third of French Muslims do not object to suicide attacks. The British

Centre for Social Cohesion reported that one-third of British Muslim students

are in favour of a worldwide caliphate. A Dutch study reported that half of

Dutch Muslims admit they "understand" the 9/11 attacks.

 

Muslims demand what they call 'respect'. And this is how we give them respect. Our

elites are willing to give in. To give up. In my own country we have gone from

calls by one cabinet member to turn Muslim holidays into official state

holidays, to statements by another cabinet member, that Islam is part of Dutch

culture, to an affirmation by the Christian-Democratic attorney general that he

is willing to accept sharia in the Netherlands if there is a Muslim

majority. We have cabinet members with passports from Morocco and Turkey.

 

Muslim demands are supported by unlawful behaviour, ranging from petty crimes and

random violence, for example against ambulance workers and bus drivers, to

small-scale riots. Paris

has seen its uprising in the low-income suburbs, the banlieus. Some prefer to

see these as isolated incidents, but I call it a Muslim intifada. I call the

perpetrators "settlers". Because that is what they are. They do not

come to integrate into our societies, they come to integrate our society into

their Dar-al-Islam. Therefore, they are settlers.

 

Much of this street violence I mentioned is directed exclusively against non-Muslims,

forcing many native people to leave their neighbourhoods, their cities, their

countries.

 

Politicians shy away from taking a stand against this creeping sharia. They believe in the

equality of all cultures. Moreover, on a mundane level, Muslims are now a swing

vote not to be ignored.

 

Our many problems with Islam cannot be explained by poverty, repression or the European

colonial past, as the Left claims. Nor does it have anything to do with

Palestinians or American troops in Iraq. The problem is Islam itself.

 

Allow me to give you a brief Islam 101. The first thing you need to know about Islam is the

importance of the book of the Quran. The Quran is Allah's personal word,

revealed by an angel to Mohammed, the prophet. This is where the trouble

starts. Every word in the Quran is Allah's word and therefore not open to

discussion or interpretation. It is valid for every Muslim and for all times.

Therefore, there is no such a thing as moderate Islam. Sure, there are a lot of

moderate Muslims. But a moderate Islam is non-existent.

 

The Quran calls for hatred, violence, submission, murder, and terrorism. The Quran calls

for Muslims to kill non-Muslims, to terrorize non-Muslims and to fulfil their

duty to wage war: violent jihad. Jihad is a duty for every Muslim, Islam is to

rule the world - by the sword. The Quran is clearly anti-Semitic,

describing Jews as monkeys and pigs.

 

The second thing you need to know is the importance of Mohammed the prophet. His behaviour

is an example to all Muslims and cannot be criticized. Now, if Mohammed had

been a man of peace, let us say like Ghandi and Mother Theresa wrapped in one,

there would be no problem. But Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer, a

pedophile, and had several marriages - at the same time. Islamic tradition

tells us how he fought in battles, how he had his enemies murdered and even had

prisoners of war executed. Mohammed himself slaughtered the Jewish tribe of

Banu Qurayza. He advised on matters of slavery, but never advised to liberate

slaves. Islam has no other morality than the advancement of Islam. If it is

good for Islam, it is good. If it is bad for Islam, it is bad. There is no gray

area or other side.

 

Quran as Allah's own word and Mohammed as the perfect man are the two most important

facets of Islam. Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has

a god, and a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a

political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society

and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life.

Islam means 'submission'. Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy,

because what it strives for is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to

anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all

totalitarian ideologies.

 

This is what you need to know about Islam, in order to understand what is going on in Europe. For millions of Muslims the Quran and the live of

Mohammed are not 14 centuries old, but are an everyday reality, an ideal, that

guide every aspect of their lives. Now you know why Winston Churchill called

Islam "the most retrograde force in the world", and why he compared

Mein Kampf to the Quran.

 

Which brings me to my movie, Fitna.

 

I am a lawmaker, and not a movie maker. But I felt I had the moral duty to educate

about Islam. The duty to make clear that the Quran stands at the heart of what

some people call terrorism but is in reality jihad. I wanted to show that the

problems of Islam are at the core of Islam, and do not belong to its fringes.

 

Now, from the day the plan for my movie was made public, it caused quite a stir, in the Netherlands and throughout Europe.

First, there was a political storm, with government leaders, across the

continent in sheer panic. The Netherlands

was put under a heightened terror alert, because of possible attacks or a

revolt by our Muslim population. The Dutch branch of the Islamic organisation

Hizb ut-Tahrir declared that the Netherlands was due for an attack.

Internationally, there was a series of incidents. The Taliban threatened to

organize additional attacks against Dutch troops in Afghanistan,

and a website linked to Al Qaeda published the message that I ought to be

killed, while various muftis in the Middle East

stated that I would be responsible for all the bloodshed after the screening of

the movie. In Afghanistan

and Pakistan

the Dutch flag was burned on several occasions. Dolls representing me were also

burned. The Indonesian President announced that I will never be admitted into Indonesia

again, while the UN Secretary General and the European Union issued cowardly

statements in the same vein as those made by the Dutch Government. I could go

on and on. It was an absolute disgrace, a sell-out.

 

A plethora of legal troubles also followed, and have not ended yet. Currently the state of

Jordan

is litigating against me. Only last week there were renewed security agency

reports about a heightened terror alert for the Netherlands because of Fitna.

 

Now, I would like to say a few things about Israel. Because, very soon, we will

get together in its capitol. The best way for a politician in Europe to loose

votes is to say something positive about Israel. The public has

wholeheartedly accepted the Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the

aggressor. I, however, will continue to speak up for Israel. I see defending Israel as a

matter of principle. I have lived in this country and visited it dozens of

times. I support Israel.

First, because it is the Jewish homeland after two thousand years of exile up

to and including Auschwitz, second because it is a democracy, and third because

Israel is our first line of defense.

 

Samuel Huntington writes it so aptly: "Islam has bloody borders". Israel is

located precisely on that border. This tiny country is situated on the fault

line of jihad, frustrating Islam's territorial advance. Israel is facing the front lines of jihad, like

Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines,

Southern Thailand, Darfur in Sudan,

Lebanon, and Aceh in Indonesia. Israel is

simply in the way. The same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War.

 

The war against Israel is not a war

against Israel.

It is a war against the West. It is jihad. Israel is simply receiving the

blows that are meant for all of us. If there would have been no Israel, Islamic

imperialism would have found other venues to release its energy and its desire

for conquest. Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and

lay awake at night, parents in Europe and America can sleep well and dream,

unaware of the dangers looming.

 

Many in Europe argue in favor of abandoning Israel in order to address the

grievances of our Muslim minorities. But if Israel were, God forbid, to go

down, it would not bring any solace to the West. It would not mean our Muslim

minorities would all of a sudden change their behavior, and accept our values.

On the contrary, the end of Israel

would give enormous encouragement to the forces of Islam. They would, and

rightly so, see the demise of Israel

as proof that the West is weak, and doomed. The end of Israel would

not mean the end of our problems with Islam, but only the beginning. It would

mean the start of the final battle for world domination. If they can get Israel, they

can get everything. Therefore, it is not that the West has a stake in Israel. It is Israel.

 

It is very difficult to be an optimist in the face of the growing Islamization of Europe.

All the tides are against us. On all fronts we are losing. Demographically the

momentum is with Islam. Muslim immigration is even a source of pride within

ruling liberal parties. Academia, the arts, the media, trade unions, the

churches, the business world, the entire political establishment have all

converted to the suicidal theory of multiculturalism. So-called journalists

volunteer to label any and all critics of Islamization as a 'right-wing

extremists' or 'racists'. The entire establishment has sided with our enemy.

Leftists, liberals and Christian-Democrats are now all in bed with Islam.

 

This is the most painful thing to see: the betrayal by our elites. At this moment in Europe's history, our elites are supposed to lead us. To

stand up for centuries of civilization. To defend our heritage. To honour

our eternal Judeo-Christian values that made Europe

what it is today. But there are very few signs of hope to be seen at the

governmental level. Sarkozy, Merkel, Brown, Berlusconi; in private, they

probably know how grave the situation is. But when the little red light goes

on, they stare into the camera and tell us that Islam is a religion of peace,

and we should all try to get along nicely and sing Kumbaya. They willingly

participate in, what President Reagan so aptly called: "the betrayal of

our past, the squandering of our freedom."

 

If there is hope in Europe, it comes from the people, not

from the elites. Change can only come from a grass-roots level. It has to come

from the citizens themselves. Yet these patriots will have to take on the

entire political, legal and media establishment.

 

Over the past years there have been some small, but encouraging, signs of a rebirth of

the original European spirit. Maybe the elites turn their backs on freedom, the

public does not. In my country, the Netherlands, 60 percent of the

population now sees the mass immigration of Muslims as the number one policy

mistake since World War II. And another 60 percent sees Islam as the biggest

threat to our national identity. I don't think the public opinion in Holland is very different

from other European countries.

 

Patriotic parties that oppose jihad are growing, against all odds. My own party debuted

two years ago, with five percent of the vote. Now it stands at ten percent in

the polls. The same is true of all smililary-minded parties in Europe. They are fighting the liberal establishment, and

are gaining footholds on the political arena, one voter at the time.

 

Now, for the first time, these patriotic parties will come together and exchange

experiences. It may be the start of something big. Something that might change

the map of Europe for decades to come. It

might also be Europe's last chance.

 

This December a conference will take place in Jerusalem.

Thanks to Professor Aryeh Eldad, a member of Knesset, we will be able to watch

Fitna in the Knesset building and discuss the jihad. We are organizing this

event in Israel to emphasize

the fact that we are all in the same boat together, and that Israel is part

of our common heritage. Those attending will be a select audience. No racist

organizations will be allowed. And we will only admit parties that are solidly

democratic.

 

This conference will be the start of an Alliance of European patriots. This Alliance will serve as

the backbone for all organizations and political parties that oppose jihad and

Islamization. For this Alliance

I seek your support.

 

This endeavor may be crucial to America

and to the West. America

may hold fast to the dream that, thanks tot its location, it is safe from jihad

and shaira. But seven years ago to the day, there was still smoke rising from

ground zero, following the attacks that forever shattered that dream. Yet there

is a danger even greater danger than terrorist attacks, the scenario of America as the

last man standing. The lights may go out in Europe

faster than you can imagine. An Islamic Europe means a Europe without freedom

and democracy, an economic wasteland, an intellectual nightmare, and a loss of

military might for America

- as its allies will turn into enemies, enemies with atomic bombs. With an

Islamic Europe, it would be up to America

alone to preserve the heritage of Rome, Athens and Jerusalem.

 

Dear friends, liberty is the most precious of gifts. My generation never had to

fight for this freedom, it was offered to us on a silver platter, by people who

fought for it with their lives. All throughout Europe American cemeteries

remind us of the young boys who never made it home, and whose memory we

cherish. My generation does not own this freedom; we are merely its custodians.

We can only hand over this hard won liberty to Europe's

children in the same state in which it was offered to us. We cannot strike a

deal with mullahs and imams. Future generations would never forgive us. We

cannot squander our liberties. We simply do not have the right to do so.

 

This is not the first time our civilization is under threat. We have seen dangers before.

We have been betrayed by our elites before. They have sided with our enemies

before. And yet, then, freedom prevailed.

 

These are not times in which to take lessons from appeasement, capitulation, giving

away, giving up or giving in. These are not times in which to draw

lessons from Mr. Chamberlain. These are times calling us to draw lessons from

Mr. Churchill and the words he spoke in 1942:

 

"Never give in, never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty,

never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to

force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy".

[Essay]

Is this just the anti Islam ravings of a crazy or is there something to this? I get this type of stuff often, comments please.

 

"From the internet.

 

Speech: Geert Wilders in New York, 25 september 2008

 

Dear friends,

 

Thank you very much for inviting me. Great to be at the Four Seasons. I come from a....

It's great to be in New York.

When I see the skyscrapers and office buildings, I think of what Ayn Rand said:

"The sky over New York and the will of man made visible." Of course.

Without the Dutch you would have been nowhere, still figuring out how to buy this island from the Indians. But we are glad we did it for you. And, frankly, you did a far better job than we possibly could have done.

 

I come to America with a mission. All is not well in the old world. There is a

tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be optimistic. We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of Europe. This not only is a clear and present danger to the future of Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the West. The danger I see looming is the scenario of America as the last man standing. The United States as the last bastion of Western civilization, facing an Islamic Europe. In a generation or two, the US will ask itself: who lost Europe?

Patriots from around Europe risk their lives every day to prevent precisely this scenario form becoming a reality.

 

My short lecture consists of 4 parts.

 

First I will describe the situation on the ground in Europe.

Then, I will say a few things about Islam. Thirdly, if you are still here, I

will talk a little bit about the movie you just saw. To close I will tell you

about a meeting in Jerusalem.

The Europe you know is changing."

....

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...hmmm. I wonder what the movie was. Something about Islamic Law and/or family honor killings?

Well I read enough to get the gist.

 

Sure there is something to it. It's a reaction to the huge immigration situation in Europe (think France too... the riots?).

 

Fortunately, we have no immigration problems here... hahahahahaha. Oh.

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But true in Europe and the US, demographically we need the additional population (to support the system)!

 

But also true for both, that change in demographics is going to cause problems if they don't have good jobs (y'know, to support the system).

 

If there were enough jobs, they wouldn't be marginalized, isolated, second-class citizens.

...and the welfare! It's like us paying the Sunni in Iraq $300 Million/month to stop blowing us up.

 

Sure it works, but for how long?

 

~ :phones:

 

p.s.

"We have been betrayed by our elites before. They have sided with our enemies

before. And yet, then, freedom prevailed."

 

WHat! ...betrayed by our elites!

Uh oh. Watch out!

[pamela]

when I started reading the post, my first reaction was maybe this guy was a little paranoid.But then, I started reflecting on my own experiences. Back in the early 80's, a new friend invited me out to dinner and on the way asked if we could stop by his religious meeting first. I agreed. Much to my horror, it was a PLO meeting. I think I lasted for about 30 minutes, torn between fear and disgust. I asked to leave. I'm wondered if my ethnic look may have let me slip out unnoticed{Italian descent}.My no longer friend, took me home. Such terms as "the jews were a cancer that needed to be eradicated"did not sit well with me.

[InfiniteNow]

Here's what I don't get. Why is the fact that they are muslim even slightly relevant? Seems like a bunch of ignorant jingoistic scare mongering.

 

 

Replace the word "Muslim" above with the word "Buddhists." You'll better understand just how slanted the writing really is, and how empty the rhetoric and implicit the discrimination being expressed is.

 

 

Either way, I'm not protecting Muslims, just pointing out ignorance. I'm an equal opportunity basher of ridiculous nonsense. People should be equally concerned about christians and hindis.

[pamela]

well said..

lets not forget the Crusades-

Any religion can hold war mongering zealots but we should be wise to keep an eye on our homefront as well as our borders

[pgrmdave]

...hmmm. I wonder what the movie was. Something about Islamic Law and/or family honor killings?

Well I read enough to get the gist.

 

Probably this movie:

Fitna (film - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

by this guy:

Geert Wilders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

here are some articles about it:

Fox news article: FOXNews.com - Dutch Politician Plans to Air Film Criticizing the Koran - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News

NPR interview (I listened to this when it came out, which is why I knew about it): Dutch Politician Creates Anti-Islam Video : NPR

 

and this looks to be the second edition of the movie (it's only about 17 minutes long): Political Animal: Fitna the Movie: Dutch Politician's film about the Quran

 

differences between the first and second releases: Fitna (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia