binabik Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 i was wondering if it would be possible to buid a structure that would have all the ammenaties of a small town including recreaation and law enforcement and firemen and maybe even a few lanes of bowling. It wouldn't be a skyscraper it would probably be no more than 5 stories high max and sprawling, there wouldn't be any houses but the apartments would be fairly big and i was also wondering how much this might cost. maybe the apartments can be on the upper 3 or 4 floors and have the bottom or city commons or what not be two stories high so it seems bigger and allows for bigger stuff to be in it and a little more freedom. also the roof could be used for a recreation area with a pool or golf course or something. or a park. i am mainly focusing on cost for this thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overdog Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 i was wondering if it would be possible to buid a structure that would have all the ammenaties of a small town including recreaation and law enforcement and firemen and maybe even a few lanes of bowling. It wouldn't be a skyscraper it would probably be no more than 5 stories high max and sprawling, there wouldn't be any houses but the apartments would be fairly big and i was also wondering how much this might cost. maybe the apartments can be on the upper 3 or 4 floors and have the bottom or city commons or what not be two stories high so it seems bigger and allows for bigger stuff to be in it and a little more freedom. also the roof could be used for a recreation area with a pool or golf course or something. or a park. i am mainly focusing on cost for this thing. 4 billion. Foster + Partners http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/12/26/tallest-skyscraper-in-the-world-coming-to-moscow/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binabik Posted August 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 well that is interesting but i am not worried about asthetics so i think i could strike 1 or 2 bil from that. considering that aircraft carriers cost about 5 bil to make for the nimitz and i don't need it to float or have giant steam hydrolics to make planes take off faster i don't think it would cost anymore than that thanks for the imput Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitack Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 i was wondering if it would be possible to buid a structure that would have all the ammenaties of a small town including recreaation and law enforcement and firemen and maybe even a few lanes of bowling. It wouldn't be a skyscraper it would probably be no more than 5 stories high max and sprawling, there wouldn't be any houses but the apartments would be fairly big and i was also wondering how much this might cost. maybe the apartments can be on the upper 3 or 4 floors and have the bottom or city commons or what not be two stories high so it seems bigger and allows for bigger stuff to be in it and a little more freedom. also the roof could be used for a recreation area with a pool or golf course or something. or a park. i am mainly focusing on cost for this thing. This reminds me of those super structures in Sim City 2000. Who remembers that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zythryn Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 well that is interesting but i am not worried about asthetics ... Binabik, perhaps you could give us some idea of the living standards you want to have for the inhabitants? This would have a large impact on the costs. Individual rooms, living spaces, communal living, 5 star eateries, movie theaters, etc?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zythryn Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 As an addition to my above post. You may want to start with the cost of the Mall of America and add half again the cost for the residential quarters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binabik Posted August 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 nitack i remember them, i remember my brother waiting for them to fly into space which never happened. zythryn it will be great quality though it should be able to cater to all types of people, it will be a minimalist comunity and they can eat what ever they want, it will have a little of everything, maybe to the point of having like 4 lanes of bowling, 1 theater where people can schedule movies to be watched so they can get the movie theater experiance even with older movies i don't know exactly how the living spaces would be organized, maybe have it partly like dorm rooms or privet apartments with sound dampening or what not. thanks keep the info comeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zythryn Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Well, the Mall of America cost 650 Million. Contains a number of restaurants, fast food joints, and other entertainment.Now, for a self sufficient city, not all those stores are needed. But what type of population are you looking for?The mall is 4 levels, if you converted 1 level to housing, added 3 levels of housing, I would guess that would give you about 1000-1500 families housing units. Perhaps more than you need, so maybe only 2 added levels are needed. Which, as a very rough guess, would be about 1.5 Billion. Fun thought exercise, my guesses really are rough ballpark. So if anyone has any better cost estimates, please speak up;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binabik Posted August 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 i would say 2000-2500 people are plenty, eventually if this was to work then a bigger one might be good or maybe make it so that ou can build them over and over next to each other and they would compliment each other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donk Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 It sounds to me as if you're talking about an Arcology. Take a look at Arcosanti. Or if you'd prefer speculative fiction, read Oath of Fealty by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle. They describe a working arcology - people live there, work there, eat there, play there. Many never leave the building. Always, though, the design is being tinkered with. The initial planning was long and thorough - then they realised that they hadn't included an undertaker. And so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binabik Posted August 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 arcosanti is good but i was mainly thinking a big sprawling building that might be accross several square miles, there was a building when cast iron was first beginning to be a building material that was made out of sections that could be built around nature and enclose it, it could also be moved , this is the one iam talking about The Crystal Palace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, if i am building a buiding that is a couple square miles in area then i could use this to preserve nature, it would take lights though to immitate sun but still just an idea. i am more interested in the fiction type building cites like atlantis(stargate) was one but not what i am thinking and i would prefer to work towards bringing something from fiction to the world of today so, but good post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmarinas86 Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 i was wondering if it would be possible to buid a structure that would have all the ammenaties of a small town including recreaation and law enforcement and firemen and maybe even a few lanes of bowling. It wouldn't be a skyscraper it would probably be no more than 5 stories high max and sprawling, there wouldn't be any houses but the apartments would be fairly big and i was also wondering how much this might cost. maybe the apartments can be on the upper 3 or 4 floors and have the bottom or city commons or what not be two stories high so it seems bigger and allows for bigger stuff to be in it and a little more freedom. also the roof could be used for a recreation area with a pool or golf course or something. or a park. i am mainly focusing on cost for this thing. Smallocracy - Academic Publishing Wiki Boerseun 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougF Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 How about a something a little deferent, although you'll want to downsize it a bit or just build it in sections.if your building a buiding that is a couple square miles in area then i could use this to preserve nature, once your building is built nature could run free under the main structure. Shimizu Mega-City PyramidThe Shimizu TRY 2004 Mega-City Pyramid is a proposed project for construction of a massive pyramid over Tokyo Bay in Japan. The structure would be 12 times higher than the Great Pyramid at Giza' date=' and would house 750,000 people. If built, it will be the largest man-made structure on Earth. The structure would be 2,004 meters (6,575 feet) high and would answer Tokyo's increasing lack of space. The proposed structure is so large that it cannot be built with currently available materials, due to their weight. The design relies on the future availability of super-strong lightweight materials based on carbon nanotubes. [/quote']Shimizu Mega-City Pyramid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binabik Posted August 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 smallocracy is preatty cool and the mega-city pyramid is also cool, it is worth looking into i have already looked at the pyramid though but it does seem cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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