Michaelangelica Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 Obviously, it's not about the bees; it's about "Yanks and pesticides." You've already made up your mind what caused the "mass extinction." You show your colors, all too easily.No, its about beesIt's an opinionAnd yes I have 'hoisted my colours' that's what "opinion" is. Look at the number of aircraft that just the state of Florida has alone for aerial spraying for mosquitoes- to keep the tourists happy. Bugger everything else that flies.Many countries have smaller air forces. Have a valium, chill out and stop taking the testosterone supliments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EStein Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 .....Look at the number of aircraft that just the state of Florida has alone for aerial spraying for mosquitoes- to keep the tourists happy. OK...You are saying that there are massive bee die offs happening and you, being the genius you are, know, for certain, that pesticides did it. So, we are to believe you why? :) As for the Florida Pest Control Air Force, what, on Earth, is your point? Which country or state does not use pesticides on mosquitos and crops? It's not really about the bees, is it? It's your pesticide paranoia that's got you in a lather, no? The answer to "unsafe" pesticides is to bring back DDT. It's so safe, you can eat it. 100 Things You Should Know About DDT "To only a few chemicals does man owe as great a debt as to DDT... In little more than two decades, DDT has prevented 500 million human deaths, due to malaria, that otherwise would have been inevitable."[National Academy of Sciences, Committee on Research in the Life Sciences of the Committee on Science and Public Policy. 1970. The Life Sciences; Recent Progress and Application to Human Affairs; The World of Biological Research; Requirements for the Future.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelangelica Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 I thought yanks spoke a form of English?From your own dictionaryopinion implies a conclusion thought out yet open to dispute <each expert seemed to have a different opinion>Fact, a piece of information presented as having objective reality— in fact: in truthhypothesis 1 a: an assumption or concession made for the sake of argument b: an interpretation of a practical situation or condition taken as the ground for action2: a tentative assumption made in order to draw out and test its logical or empirical consequences You seem to read a lot into an off-the cuff remark of mineI am quite happy to debate the safety of chlorinated hydrocarbons with you on the DDT threadBut do you need to be so agro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EStein Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 ...But do you need to be so agro?Moi? Il n'est pas vrai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelangelica Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Bee Expert: Insecticides, Climate, Malnutrition, Paracites And Microbes Collapsing Bee ColoniesDavis, California - Noted University of California, Davis honey bee specialist Eric Mussen fingered a line-up of prime suspects in the case of Disappearing Bees.. . .A favorite suspect among the beekeepers is neonicotinoids, chemicals designed to mimic the toxic effects of a neurotoxin from the tobacco family. The nicotine-like insecticide kills fleas on cats and dogs, and is used as a seed treatment and in side dressing and foliar spray applications."The insecticides enter various plant tissues and become distributed, systemically, throughout the plant," he said.. . .Laboratory studies showed that miniscule doses of neonicotinoids increased the rate of learning in bees, but at high doses, bees failed to respond to training. "It wasn't memory loss; it was intoxication," Mussen said. "They were drunk. . ."Another suspect: Gaucho® (imidacloprid), used as a seed treatment on sunflowers. Beekeepers claimed that when bees visited sunflowers, they never returned to their hives; "they lost their memory." France and Spain banned imidacloprid, but "bees are still failing in their hives," Mussen noted. ENN: Bee Expert: Insecticides, Climate, Malnutrition, Paracites And Microbes Collapsing Bee Colonies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EStein Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 ENN: Bee Expert: Insecticides, Climate, Malnutrition, Paracites And Microbes Collapsing Bee Colonies The honey bee specialist in the above article, Eric Mussen, also said...... "It's a complex issue, he said, but one thing is certain: "It seems unlikely that we will find a specific, new and different reason for why bees are dying." and "Similar phenomena have been observed since 1869," he said. "It persisted in 1963, 1964 and 1965 and was called Spring Dwindling, Fall Collapse and Autumn Collapse." I like this one, especially. "Among the more "quirky" explanations for CCD: cell phone usage, alien encounters, honey bee "rapture" (where hive populations "ascend to that big honeycomb in the sky en masse"); and chemtrails, aircraft-released vapors."Some thought chemtrails was a military-industrial complex plan to kill all children and old people-and got the bees and birds by mistake." Bee rapture!!!???:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffy Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Noted without comment: Here in the US, CBS broadcast this report on CCD last night. My definition of an expert in any field is a person who knows enough about what's really going on to be scared, :phones:Buffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EStein Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Noted without comment: Here in the US, CBS broadcast this report on CCD last night. My definition of an expert in any field is a person who knows enough about what's really going on to be scared, :evil:Buffy And, when "experts" disagree, do you tend to believe the "expert" who is the most frightened? :phones: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfiniteNow Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 And, when "experts" disagree, do you tend to believe the "expert" who is the most frightened? :( Non-sequitur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hill Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Noted without comment: Here in the US, CBS broadcast this report on CCD last night. Right after I watched that "60 Minutes" report, I switched over to PBS and watched Nature . Silence of the Bees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EStein Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Right after I watched that "60 Minutes" report, I switched over to PBS and watched Nature . Silence of the Bees That must have been a real yawner. From what I hear, the bees are back at double force and they are angry. :hyper: Don't go anywhere near them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelangelica Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Amazing what you find on the webBritish Beekeepers' Association Support BoardsBritish Beekeepers' Association Support Boards :: Search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hill Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 That must have been a real yawner. Actually it was the most complete treatment of the subject I have seen and added a lot of (to me) new details. From what I hear, the bees are back at double force and they are angry. :shrug: Don't go anywhere near them. What are your sources for this information? It would be good to follow up on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeztar Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 In the news...A virus linked to the strange disappearance of honeybees did not arrive in the United States via recently imported Australian hives, according to a new genetic analysis. Instead, the virus has been present here since at least 2001. "On the face of it, it seems to let the Australians off the hook," says entomologist Nicholas Calderone of Cornell University. But he and others stress that much remains to be learned before the role of the virus in colony collapse is clear.Disappearing Bee Mystery Deepens -- Stokstad 2007 (1102): 2 -- ScienceNOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiowizard Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 I've seen this show, and several others including 60 Minutes, and Nature on the subject. I've heard people looking for something THERE causing this problem. But I haven't heard anyone looking for something NOT THERE causing the problem. It sounds to me as if the honeybee's are suffering from malnutrition. I think it's probable that some bacteria, or other organism has largely been wiped out, which the honeybee depend upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EStein Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 ....It sounds to me as if the honeybee's are suffering from malnutrition. That is correct. In our locality, the bees are starving to death.They're so bad off you can actually see their tiny little rib cages.Some are so weak from hunger, volunteers are spoon feeding them pollen. It may bee too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeztar Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Here's an informative link from the University of Florida which outlines the issues very well:Colony Collapse Disorder - UF/IFAS Extension: Solutions for Your Life This is a "clearinghouse" of data from the above link:MAAREC - Mid-Atlantic Apiculture Research and Extension Consortium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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