sanctus Posted January 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Infamous. Just one question: you often write Gotzya, can you explain me what it means (I guess something like you areed with me, but maybe it was the opposite). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctus Posted January 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Aquagem and infamous. Why do you think there will obviously be war? Do you really not believe in mankind do that point? Do you really think (to re-post my question which oermitted as well to change to morality) we never learn from our mistakes?Why?Claiming history shows I don't accept as it doesn't show it (if you don't agree with my statement I'll developp it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 I think high technology does imply a high social agreement; a good morality if you will. At least more to the good than not. You do not reach higher technologies without considerable social cooperation, which is morality in action. The higher & more complex the technology, the more cooperation required. From our perspective, an alien traveling around in space & just dropping by our rock is posessed of a higher technology than ours; so it seems reasonable they would also be posessed of a higher morality. :hihi: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctus Posted January 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 We discussed somewhere already (recently) about it, but I don't remember where, anyway I agree with you the fact of having atomic energy for example and still be there implies high acceptance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddog Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 I agree Aquagem; the topic was encounter with aliens, I'll take some of the responsibility for the drift off topic. It's very easy to get off track, maybe we should ask another question. How do you think society would react to this visit. Would we resist, cooperate, start a war, have our views changed about religion? It would certainly cause an abrupt change in just about every thing we believe in. I will chime in (on original thread concept): I see it as being more likely positive. As wehave already done to other cultures. They go through a culture shock though adapt inthe end. Due to the vastness of space. Anybody who can reach us physically will likelybe much in advance of us. Arthur C. Clarke has used the concept in his novels and shortstories, "Anything [Technology] so advanced beyond another culture to would appear asmagic". Based on the aging of main sequence stars in our galaxy alone. These visitorscould be easily 10,000 years upto 10 Million in advance of us. We don't know. The current thinking is that our galaxy is thought to have been around most of the age of theuniverse. This gives a lot of time to have Pop I stars go through their cycle to producethe heavier elements and all. If they have been here before, this would as big an eventas what is thought of as the Second coming (ya' know what I mean). I see advancedcivilizations that make that journey as being more benevolent. Call me optimistic. :hihi: Maddog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctus Posted January 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 I agree with you maddog, there will may be be a first reaction which could be classified as hostile, but I believe it will only be a tiny part of mankind. Afterwards, if there is no need to be hostile (what i don't believe as I say high technology implies high acceptance), this mouvements will die out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infamous Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Infamous. Just one question: you often write Gotzya, can you explain me what it means (I guess something like you areed with me, but maybe it was the opposite).Hello sanctus; Gotzya is an abbreviated term for, I understand your point, not to describe agreement or disagreement with said opinion, just a confirmation of understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infamous Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Aquagem and infamous. Why do you think there will obviously be war? Do you really not believe in mankind do that point? Do you really think (to re-post my question which oermitted as well to change to morality) we never learn from our mistakes?Why?Claiming history shows I don't accept as it doesn't show it (if you don't agree with my statement I'll developp it).I don't believe that I suggested that war would be the ultimate outcome of such an encounter, only that it could be considered as a indisputable possibility. The results of this encounter would hinge upon the vested aims of both parties. If ET came with conquest in mind then I believe we would resist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctus Posted January 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Ok I didn't understand what you wanted to say, I agree that war is an indisputable possibility, but I think it has a small probability to happen (unless we are attacked). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infamous Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Ok I didn't understand what you wanted to say, I agree that war is an indisputable possibility, but I think it has a small probability to happen (unless we are attacked).Hey sanctus; Saddam Husian didn't attack us either did he. Not to say we did the wrong thing when we went to war with him, history will judge that act. I find it difficult to believe that we humans will accept any intervention into our affairs without some conflict, right or wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motherengine Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 just as an amusing aside: in the director's commentary for the john carpenter film 'the thing' carpenter and actor kurt russell breifly discuss how the creature in the story is basically just doing what we would do if we were to come upon an inhabited planet. survival in its essence requires nothing but the ability to exploit ones surroundings (including surrounding entities). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishteacher73 Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 We have already exhibited what we have done to other entities. Just look what the Europeans did to the "New" World. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctus Posted January 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Hey sanctus; Saddam Husian didn't attack us either did he. Not to say we did the wrong thing when we went to war with him, history will judge that act. I find it difficult to believe that we humans will accept any intervention into our affairs without some conflict, right or wrong. No, as we both (and luckily many others) think, we say that the US hasn't been attacked. I'm sure that if you talk to Bush (sorry I should write bush, he doesn't merit the ;) about that he will tell you that the US have been attacked ant threathened. Just a matter of interpretation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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