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And this is among Christians only? If it is....your (if not your country...that) country is indeed learning the wrong stuff in church.

Did he? And C1ay did me the favor of answering FishTeacher for me.... I may not agree with C1ay one's beliefs but at least he's honest. Well.....at least FT tried and I plan to review his answers too and research them when I have time. I am very grateful he answered them.

Give examples. If your going to make such claims then it would help to give examples. How about finding somebody that isn't doing biased research. Is there anyone out there doing it in the real name of science and not for money or a cause? Maybe it's athiests trying to bend discoveries into the view of the Evolutionists. I mean if they found a clue to a "young earth" then it would shatter their career just as bad as a Creationist's career if they found a clue to an "old earth". Your statement is unfair and biased. Just like this article.... "Big Dud Theory" This is the full aritcle for further details. http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=14524 I'm willing to take a guess on this one.

hmmm.....I never thought of that. That is strange. I just don't know either way but since there is no evidence pointing to alien life other than just guesses, I voted that option. Maybe you all been taken over by aliens and I'm the only one left! :circle:

Please enlighten me on how yours is scientific and the other is not. Are they both not only theories? The only difference being that you don't believe one over the other? Last I knew, neither was proven at all. Only an educated guess. Maybe this needs a new topic? :circle:

Who stated that or are you assuming? If it is so overwelming, then why have you not provided any? I'm not posting what I already have again because you didn't read the whole thread.

I just love this one.... Five Weeks!!!

I voted for the first option, being Christian. :rant: But.....I don't know. I would like to hope we aren't alone and why would the Bible need to give mention to such things? There is alot of space out of there to just be created for just us. Somebody once told me that the universe was Heaven and your spirit was free to roam it when you die. Maybe that's what aliens are. :circle: I know I love reading about sightings, crop circles and all that jazz. Anything relaed to space, I try to read about or watch on the tube.

This is exciting news! I wonder what they will name it? [sARCASM]Think they'll make a reality TV show where the winner gets to name the planet?[/sARCASM]

This is all off topic like C1ay said. Good luck finding a poll for other countries on anything. However, if I use the same "guessing" that Evolutionists use, then I would say those numbers would be the same or even higher percentages than compared to the US. The rest of your post is Incoherent Babble. :circle:

It's a book. Here's a whole site with a bunch of books and articles. http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/young.asp

I'm talking about macroevolution.....pay attention. The Oxford English Dictionary (the standard reference for word usage in the English language) includes 12 different definitions for "evolution", including: Unfolding, opening out, emergence. Growth according to inherent tendencies. Rise or origination of anything by natural development. "The process of developing, or working out in detail, what is implicitly or potentially contained in an idea or principle." Biological development (i.e. ontogeny), (specifically, the "Theory of Evolution" by Bonnet, 1762, now referred to as "preformation"). Formation of the heavenly bodies Origin of species There ya go.

You have any scientific evdience to support this? You have no idea where life came from but you insist God is an idea created by man? How can you know one but not the other?

There is nothing wrong with science. It's when you replace guessing with science is when trouble starts. I'm going to state this from the view of a person who believes in God and the 6 Day Creation.... Now I have no ill will towards the people who believe in Evolution as a theory (meaning that we all formed froma single cell in the ocean). But I do fear it because it is an idea created by man to back the notion that there is no God. I believe that there are those who push this "theory" just to take credit from God. The Bible warns us of this. I see the entire theory of macroevolution based on a corrupt system. You can't tell who is really after the truth and who is after money any ways to discredit religion. The term "millions" and "billions" of years thrown around like a cheap suit and many scientists still argue over the age of the earth. Is it 6 to 10 thousand years old or 5 million? Somebody even took the time to answer my questions but how much was fact and how much was fiction?

How long it take you to dream that one up? The following answers some questions about the Ark's size. The following covers some of the questions about the animals. It's also important to remember that only after the flood did any creature eat meat. So there were no worries about the animals eating eachother. Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. I hope this helps. I'm not trying to start another debate as much as I am just answering a few questions.

Now we can't counter fasle statements? Hit my rep all you want but I wasn't about to let that lie go unchallenged.

aw.....We posted at almost the same time. :circle:

Mar's atmosphere is less than 5/1000 that of Earth's atmospheric pressure. This is much closer to the Moon's atmospheric pressure. Without spacesuits or airtight structures.....nope

To add some more light on the false statement made that a minority of Christians believing in the 6 Day Creation... This is just one poll done. I'll link the article. Most Americans take Bible stories literally Shame on the Catholics.

Try the majority of Christians. I had the percentages around here somewhere. I'll post them when I'm not behind on the delivery of some programs I have due for work. I'd guess but then i'd be just like those who take macroevolution as fact. :) Oh and the Ammonites only show variations within that kind of animal. Which only shows microevolution. I do not contest that at all.

Yes I do....and how does it feel having it used against Evolution? I can show you a whole section in this forum where it's against Creationists. So yeah I do care, that's why I used it. :) Tell me how is it dangerous? Are the animals depicted from fossils not a artist rendering? Please show me any photos if I'm wrong and I'll revoke that statement. Do they not use these artist renderings to teach people macoevolution? I've seen them in the schools and pretty much all over even in the movies. How can I even bring up the scientific information when it doesn't exist? Where are these fossils to fill in all the hudge gaps that exist? Is there even a real pattern in the fossil record? The whole point of this thread is about Evolution (macro) being considered science or religion. If people who push macroevolution can use this things to teach it then why can't I bring it up? Because it's not scientific? My point exactly. What insults you is I'm a free thinker. I've pulled myself from the corruption of Evolution and see things from a different perspective. I'm not trying to cram something down anyone's throat like you are. Your the danger to society. Your the one offended because I'm not buying your belief. This sure feels like the old bait and switch ploy salesmen use. Use the microevolution to bait a non believer and then sock em with macroevolution. Then use miroevolution facts to defend Evolution as a whole. I wanna be just like you someday.

Do you even remember what this topic is about and what type of evolution is being refered to as religion? http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional/part1a.html Read it for yourself then and then try to tell me they are not using fossils to piece together how animals evolved. Because they are and what I am saying is that it is just a theory. It's not fact but I do enjoy learning about it. However, don't expect me to change my belief over another theory (which isn't even a very good one IMO). Macroevolution is a Theory so if your assuming it as fact then you are assigning it as your belief (Religion). Creationism is a Theory so if your assuming it as fact then you are assigning it as your belief (Religion). So if you want to label me arrogant and pig headed then fine...I can live with that. At least I'm not buying into the prapaganda that Evolution is how man came into existance on this Earth without some real proof. Did you know Hitler used Evolution to explain his Master Race? Did you know that some fossils found were hoaxes to either get money or to be used to counter Creationism? There are many that "believe" in macroevoltuion solely because it isn't about God. This is why Creationists have labeled it the "Athiest Religion". I just accept it as a theory. You may ask why I come here then....well I like to read the debates and I love to visit the links posted from both sides of the debate. I also enjoy the Computer Science area (even though I haven't posted anything in there).

Lou was 6' 1"? :) I believe the myth came into being because of the appearance of the person from body building or lifting weights. They have more mass which will give the illusion of a shorter height because they will appear "stocky". If you took a shot of Arnold and then took a shot of somebody who was skinny but the exact height as Arnold and the pictures gave no referance of measurement then your mind would most likely assume that the skinny person is taller. It's kinda like this optical illusion.

What are you talking about??? Christ not only claimed to be God....He is God. The Bible has only been translated, never edited. THey still have to old text and they still read and translate new versions of the Bible from the old text. How could anyone add anything without somebody calling them on it. The Bible has been unchanged since it's existance. I would like you to visit http://www.ctsclan.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=37 and post what you posted here, since I'm not an "expert" on the Bible. They will set you straight or at least give you a better debate than I could muster since alot of them have spent their lives studying the Bible.

You're kinda right about the Judeasm thing. We are technically a cult of Judeasm. Christian means little Christ, and Christ is greek for Messiah.... We follow the Jewish messiah. You're not right about the kings and knights and crap. When Luke wrote his gosple it was only a few years after the ressurection. They crucified Christ because he claimed to be God.