# Obesity: Why are we getting fat? :epizza:

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### #35 Michaelangelica

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Posted 15 June 2006 - 08:12 PM

Michaelangelica,

I see you were trained in the Racoon school of posting...

yep I keep posting to me for myself to read and then me to post back to so myself can read the post that me has posted.

### #36 Michaelangelica

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Posted 18 June 2006 - 11:45 AM

Fructose has been hypothesized to cause obesity [2], elevated LDL cholesterol and triglycerides, leading to metabolic syndrome. Unlike animal experiments, some human experiments have failed to show a correlation between fructose consumption and obesity. Short term tests, lack of dietary control, and lack of a non-fructose consuming control group are all confounding factors in human experiments. However, there are now a number of reports showing correlation of fructose consumption to obesity, especially central obesity which is generally regarded as the most dangerous type. (Wylie-Rosett, 2004)(Havel, 2005)(Bray, 2004) (Dennison, 1997)

Foods with high fructose content

Foods with a high fructose content include:

* apples
* coconut milk
* fruit juice (especially from from apples and pears)
* guavas
* high fructose corn syrup (present in some soft drinks, and used to make sushi rice stick together)
* honey
* lychees
* mangos
* melons
* pawpaws
* pears
* persimmons
* quince

Foods with high fructan content

Chains of fructose molecules, known as fructans occur naturally in many foods. The following foods have a high fructan content:

* artichokes
* asparagus
* green beans
* leeks
* onions (including spring onion)
* wheat (including most beers, breads, cakes, biscuits, breakfast cereals, pies, pastas, pizzas, and some noodles)
FROM WIKEPEDIA

### #37 Michaelangelica

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Posted 19 June 2006 - 03:38 AM

Sleep isorders may be implicated in obesity

http://www.twincitie...ws/14850332.htm

The Riverside center was first created for bariatric patients, who have easier recoveries if their apnea is treated before their weight-loss surgeries, said Fairview's Wanda Teply. But interest quickly increased.

"Snoring isn't a joke," Teply said. "People laugh about it. But just as you wouldn't laugh about chest pain in the middle of the night, you shouldn't laugh about snoring."

Sleep specialists or pulmonologists refer patients for sleep studies once they have ruled out other problems such as insomnia or poor sleeping habits. Daytime exhaustion is a classic symptom of sleep apnea, and obesity is a common clue. Extra weight can cause apnea by applying excess pressure on the airway during sleep.

Some sleep-disorder patients are misdiagnosed with depression and given antidepressant drugs that actually worsen their condition.

The renewed focus on sleep disorders is welcome, but the spending on plush furnishings bothers Dr. Mark Mahowald, an internationally known sleep-disorder expert at Hennepin County Medical Center.

Minnesota now has more than 200 beds dedicated to sleep studies — including a handful of for-profit facilities. Mahowald worries centers will fill their beds by recruiting patients whose sleep disorders don't require such sensitive and expensive diagnostic tests. He also criticizes centers that only diagnose sleep apnea and don't offer treatment services or delve into other rare, but severe, sleep disorders.

### #38 Michaelangelica

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Posted 20 June 2006 - 04:29 AM

So,
You miss a meal, less food,
you get thinner.
Right?

Wrong!
Missing meals can make you fat according to
the
(would you believe it)
"The NSW Centre for Overweight and Obesity"

http://www.coo.healt...pans_report.pdf

Summary
Eating patterns are reasonable for the majority of
students.
However, a significant number skip meals.
This is associated with other poor eating patterns, and
with overweight and obesity.

There is a slight association between poor eating
patterns and low socioeconomic status.

### #39 Michaelangelica

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Posted 21 June 2006 - 08:12 AM

http://www.asso.org.au/home
 Prevalence of obesity in adults aged 25-64

http://www.asso.org.au/home
We seem to be making a lot of assumptions about Obesity which are not being born out by the science.
EG
too much maccas and KFC
not so
a recent study of NSW school children showed they averaged one visit a week to take away like KFC
What is happening is alot of people are becoming alarmed.(see http://www.abc.net.a...ids/default.htm -below is quote)
What can explain the above chart?
We need to fully explore some of the more unintuitive, off-the -wall theories I have posted here, not rely on our prejudices or pat answers.
Here is another

There is some evidence to suggest that an absence of breastfeeding, and/or low birth weight, can contribute to a child developing excess weight, but the link is poorly understood.

http://www.abc.net.a...ids/default.htm
Effects of obesity

Although diabetes is just one potential outcome of obesity, it is one of the most prevalent and serious. It is estimated that by 2010 there will be 230 million people with type 2 diabetes worldwide. Currently, around a thousand Australians are diagnosed with the condition each week.

A few decades ago, the disease was generally the product of middle-age weight gain. Today, the major increase is among children. This is a major concern, not only for the related cardiovascular problems (hypertension, heart disease and stroke) but also because many treatments for the disease, apart from insulin, have not been tested on young people.

Other conditions linked to obesity are:

* depression
* low self-esteem
* hypertension
* musculo-skeletal problems
* sleep apnoea
* breast cancer, endometrial cancer, colon cancer
* gall bladder disease
* asthma
* menstrual abnormalities
* high cholesterol
* shorter lifespan.

And just because someone is obese does not mean they are well fed. Obese people often suffer from deficiencies of vitamins and minerals such as iron and vitamin A.

We also assume, wrongly again, that this is just a problem of the west

A global epidemic

According to the World Health Organization, close to 18 million children and 200 million adults around the world were obese in 1995. As of 2003, there are an estimated 300 million obese adults worldwide. And obesity is not just a product of the western world. In fact, developing countries hold around one-third of the world's obese population.

### #40 Michaelangelica

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Posted 21 June 2006 - 11:59 PM

We may have a jab for fat soon?
The Borna Virus has been cracked?
http://www.scenta.co....content_view_1

"Small agents that bind to the protein in such a way to block its flexibility and keep it in the closed state would prevent replication of the virus and would stop it from spreading."

Rabies virus shares this protection strategy with other viruses of its class: similar complexes of RNA and nucleoproteins have been found in Ebola, measles, rabies and Borna virus.

### #41 CerebralEcstasy

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Posted 26 June 2006 - 08:04 PM

Has anyone stated the obvious?

We all know that one pound of fat is equivalent to 3500 calories.

Each person requires a set amount of nutrients/vitamins/minerals for the metabolic processes of the body.

A person with a requirement of 2200 calories per day will gain on average 1 lb per week by simply consuming 500 more calories than their daily limit.

This is the main reason why we're getting fat.

When you think about it, the process of getting slimmer isn't as daunting a task as one would think. Small changes over a number of months produce awesome results.

For instance, if you were to remove 500 calories each day for a week, you would lose 1 lb per week. This over the course of a month equals 4lbs, multiply that by 12 and voila you have 48lbs gone.

When you break it down to its simplest form, there is no reason as to why we should be obese. Not withstanding some of the other reasons mentioned prior - ie thyroid problems, medications and so forth.

### #42 Michaelangelica

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Posted 14 July 2006 - 06:30 AM

Has anyone stated the obvious?

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Yes but staing the obvious, the generally accepted truth, often does not take us far in science.
Thats why I have been stating the not-so-obvious.
SEE
http://www.celiac.co...tml?p_catid=119
for a connection between obesity and celiac disease.

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Posted 14 July 2006 - 07:40 AM

Does anybody know if there are any credible studies done on the eating habits of people 100 years ago, 50 years ago, and today? Perhaps comparing them would help. I do also think that the easy access to cheap, good tasting, caloric food is partially to blame.

### #44 Michaelangelica

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Posted 14 July 2006 - 04:05 PM

Does anybody know if there are any credible studies done on the eating habits of people 100 years ago, 50 years ago, and today? Perhaps comparing them would help. I do also think that the easy access to cheap, good tasting, caloric food is partially to blame.

While it is no doubt true
The problem with the "food is making us fat" hypothesis is

1) obesity is also a problem in third world countries where little food is available
2)The incrediblely rapid speed of the increase of obesity over the last 10 years. (When many "bad" food habits have been changed.)

It would be nice to know some history of eating. Have you googled it?
I suspect we know more about what Neanderthals ate!

### #45 Michaelangelica

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Posted 15 July 2006 - 02:14 AM

http://www.abc.net.a...07/s1686610.htm

Researchers link asthma to obesity

A Sydney-based medical research institute has discovered a link between asthma and obesity.

Researchers at the Garvan Institute have found that the same fatty acid binding protein that is already known for its role in obesity and diabetes is also present in the lung.

Dr Michael Rolph says it is an important discovery.

"AP2 is a fatty acid binding protein that is already being looked at for the treatment of obesity and diabetes," he said.

"For the first time we have found that aP2 is also active in the lung and is crucial for controlling inflammation in asthma."

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Posted 16 July 2006 - 02:59 PM

It still has to do with lifestyle and energy input being more than energy output. Here is a example. In some of the northeastern cites of the US there is a thriving oriental population, many from Viet Nam, Cambodia, Loas, Thailand, etc.. The older adults, like most orientals are thin, while the younger adults and children are getting heavier. One generation of American style eating is all it has taken. In some cultures, being large is a sign of prosperity.

As an experiment, have two groups, one given $20 a week to eat and the other given$200/week to eat. Both are required to spend and eat their alottment of resources each week. Who will stay slim and who will pack on the pounds? It would come down to input/output. The first group will be forced to eat light by practical necessity. The second group will have to use self control and creative eating to avoid putting on weight.

### #47 Michaelangelica

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Posted 18 July 2006 - 11:21 PM

In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth and
populated Earth with broccoli, cauliflower, spinach and green,
yellow and red vegetables of all kinds, so Man and Woman would live long and healthy lives.

Then using God's great gifts, Satan created Ice Cream, Custard and
Cream donuts. And Satan said, "You want chocolate with that?" And they
both gained 5 kilos. And Satan smiled.

So God said, "Try my fresh green salad." And Satan presented
Thousand Island Dressing, buttery croutons and garlic toast on the
side. And Man and Woman unfastened their belts following the meal.

God then created a light, fluffy white cake and named it "Angel
Cake" And said, "It is good." Satan then created chocolate cake
and named It "Devil's Food."

Then God brought forth the potato, naturally low in fat and
brimming with nutrition. And Satan peeled the healthful skin and
sliced the starchy centre into chips and deep-fried them. And Man gained
more kilos.

God then gave them lean beef so that Man might consume fewer
calories and still satisfy his appetite. And Satan created the
double cheeseburger.

Then said, "You want fries with that?" and Man replied, "Yes! And
supersize them."

And Satan said, "It is good." And Man went into Cardiac Arrest.

God sighed and created quadruple bypass surgery.

Then Satan created the NSW Health Department...

### #48 Michaelangelica

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Posted 21 July 2006 - 11:07 PM

Another piece of research for those that know everything about obesity.

In 1976, G P Ravelli, Z.A. Stein and M.W. Susser reported the results of a study of 300,000 men born to women who were pregnant during the Dutch Hungerwinter. These researchers discovered that adult men born to women malnourished during the first two trimesters of their pregnancies where more likely to be obese than were men in the general population.

Given that the offspring of mothers who were underfed for the entire duration of their pregnancies are known to be permanently underweight this finding is remarkable indeed.

Alan Jones and M. I. Friedman from Pitzer college tested this Hungerwinter on animals.
In their initial studies they fed pregnant rats 50% of their normal rations for the first 2/3ds of their pregnancies and then allowed them to eat freely for the final trimester.
These rats ultimately gave birth to pups that had body weights that were the same as those born to normally fed mothers.

However, weeks later, after weaning on to a high fat diet, the male-but not the female- offspring of the malnourished mothers ate more and gained more weight than did the offspring of the normally fed mothers.
(even though the offspring of the normally fed mothers were weaned onto the same high fat diet.)

The fat cells of the obese males were larger and there fat pads weighed two to three times the fat pads of the normal males.
FROM:
P118-119
The Dependent Gene"
Prof. David S. Moore, Times BooksNYNY 2001
(For, why this may be so? read p 119-121)

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Posted 28 July 2006 - 06:08 AM

we r getting fat because we have money which talks..we wanna buy, we wanna feel free, we wanna party!!

while some parents do not cook for their children because of lack of time for work, so the children just aslk the money to buy food, or the parents buy fast food/junk food for theirchildren. negligence? or publicity? media doing it all? or just greediness of people?

### #50 Michaelangelica

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Posted 31 July 2006 - 02:37 AM

some people believe that environmental and personal "allergy' toxins are wrapped in fat by the body and stored out of harms way.
Therefore we are getting fat because of the increasing number of toxins in the environment and the sensitivity of some people's immune system to these toxins
Check this out:
Yo-yo Diet Redistributes Toxins In Body Tissue; Olestra Plus Caloric Cut Boosts Toxic Excretion
http://www.scienceda...41219134759.htm

It wouldn't be the first time that the "fake fat" product was used as an emergency agent to flush out dioxin, one of a group of chlorinated hydrocarbons that are toxic, lipophilic (attracted to fat) and persistent in the environment and animal tissues.
About five years ago, two Austrian women suffering from dioxin poisoning were given olestra snacks, which resulted in removal of dioxin at 10 times the normal rate, according to some reports.

In an as-yet-unpublished study, researchers at the University of Cincinnati School of Medicine, along with Trevor Redgrave at the University of Western Australia, treated a patient with PCB toxicity over a two-year period with olestra in the form of fat-free Pringles.
The patient's chloracne disappeared and the PCB level in fat tissue dropped dramatically.

### #51 Michaelangelica

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Posted 31 July 2006 - 03:49 AM

There is so much we don't know

http://www.newindpre...ience&Topic=168

Fatty acids in oily fish help cut obesity
Sunday July 30 2006 19:16 IST

ANI

LONDON: Fatty acids found in oily fish won�t only make you age slowly, but as a new research has found, will also help keep your weight down and maintain good health as long as you exercise a bit.

A 12-week trial by a group of researchers from the University of South Australiahas led by Professor Peter Howe, conducted on 68 overweight-to-obese adults at risk of coronary disease found that daily doses of oil containing Omega-3 fatty acids, combined with moderate exercise like walking, can result in significant weight loss.

The researchers found that fish oil helps people lose weight by increasing the elasticity of blood vessel walls and improving the flow of blood to muscles while they exercise.