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#1 DanielWilson

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Posted 18 January 2020 - 07:42 AM

Hi all,
 
I was very surprised to discover that only 10% of the Nobel prize winners are atheist:
 
 
 
 
 
 
This info contradicts everything I've heard before, that there is a strong negative correlation between intelligence and religiosity.
 
For example:
 
Here at minute 1:45.
 
Here at minute 16:00.
 
 
How do you explain this?
 

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Posted 18 January 2020 - 08:14 AM

Bias perhaps?

 

Definitions of what is an Atheist or how the question is asked?

 

What is a atheist ?

What is a agnostic ?

What is a deist ?

Is a deist some one who worships the sun, or the moon, or is it something else.

 

What is the difference between a pantheist and a deist.?

 

The definition of a god or gods is historically what ever people want it to be or are imprinted with when they are young.  



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Posted 18 January 2020 - 08:19 AM

Bias perhaps?

 

Definitions of what is an Atheist or how the question is asked?

 

What is a atheist ?

What is a agnostic ?

What is a deist ?

Is a deist some one who worships the sun, or the moon, or is it something else.

 

What is the difference between a pantheist and a deist.?

 

The definition of a god or gods is historically what ever people want it to be or are imprinted with when they are young.  

 

An Atheist is someone who doesn't believe in God/Gods.

 

Very simple.



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Posted 18 January 2020 - 08:40 AM

An Atheist is someone who doesn't believe in God/Gods.

 

Very simple.

 

What is god ?

 

Would a pantheist be regarded as an atheist or not.



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Posted 18 January 2020 - 08:49 AM

What is god ?

 

Would a pantheist be regarded as an atheist or not.

 

Yes, if you say that God = Reality, then you are an Atheist.



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Posted 18 January 2020 - 08:53 AM

What is god ?

 

 

God = Supreme being, creator, omniscient (all-knowing), omnipotent (all-powerful), omnipresent (all-present).



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Posted 18 January 2020 - 10:50 AM

God = Supreme being, creator, omniscient (all-knowing), omnipotent (all-powerful), omnipresent (all-present).

 

Are you referring to the old testament, monotheist god, invented by maybe the Israelites/Jews/Egyptians/(tribes in the middle east at the time), or are you perhaps referring to the new testament invented in 325AD by the Romans which today is based on the concept of Jesus, sun of god, who I understand some christian groups now argue is god instead of just being the sun of god. 

 

Would this supreme being respond to prayers from those inclined to try, and perform miracles etc ? Does one need to worship said deity, or not.

 

Or

 

From Pantheism the universe is omnipresent, and it responds to all physical events (omniscient, omnipotent) like an automaton. The universe is because it can be. We are all part of the universe, and always will be, without religion. 

 

I suspect anyone who disagrees with your definition of god would be an atheist in your eyes. However a person worshiping the planets as gods and praying to them, also have a definition of god. Indeed the Egyptians had multiple gods in the form of Isis Horus etc. 

 

Interestingly under Islam many stories about Jesus are mentioned but he is not a god, he is is just another profit a bit like Mohammed. 

The Moslems worship a monotheist god derived from the old testament and pray at least 6 times a day, does this make them better than Christians who perhaps worship a false god, if they think Jesus was a god.  

The Moslems worship a monotheist god derived from the old testament and pray at least 6 times a day, does this make them better than Christians.


Edited by Flummoxed, 18 January 2020 - 11:12 AM.


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Posted 18 January 2020 - 11:42 AM

Are you referring to the old testament, monotheist god, invented by maybe the Israelites/Jews/Egyptians/(tribes in the middle east at the time), or are you perhaps referring to the new testament invented in 325AD by the Romans which today is based on the concept of Jesus, sun of god, who I understand some christian groups now argue is god instead of just being the sun of god. 

 

Would this supreme being respond to prayers from those inclined to try, and perform miracles etc ? Does one need to worship said deity, or not.

 

Or

 

From Pantheism the universe is omnipresent, and it responds to all physical events (omniscient, omnipotent) like an automaton. The universe is because it can be. We are all part of the universe, and always will be, without religion. 

 

I suspect anyone who disagrees with your definition of god would be an atheist in your eyes. However a person worshiping the planets as gods and praying to them, also have a definition of god. Indeed the Egyptians had multiple gods in the form of Isis Horus etc. 

 

Interestingly under Islam many stories about Jesus are mentioned but he is not a god, he is is just another profit a bit like Mohammed. 

The Moslems worship a monotheist god derived from the old testament and pray at least 6 times a day, does this make them better than Christians who perhaps worship a false god, if they think Jesus was a god.  

The Moslems worship a monotheist god derived from the old testament and pray at least 6 times a day, does this make them better than Christians.

 

Jews, Christians and Muslims are all praying to the same God, and believe in the same God.


Edited by DanielWilson, 18 January 2020 - 11:43 AM.


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Posted 18 January 2020 - 04:13 PM

Possibly winning the Nobel prize is not an accurate indicator of intelligence!

 

Also a Nobel does not mean you are perfect, smart, never wrong, it does not mean you have exceptional logic or reasoning skills, in other words it does not make you special in any way. 

 

Nobel prize winners and Nobel prize awarders are just normal people like you and me, that they do or do not believe in a god makes no difference at all to the prospects of that claim to be correct or not. 


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Posted 18 January 2020 - 04:24 PM

Interesting conversation you two have going.  It says a lot.  Like, first, you must agree n who/what is god.  And that goes much further than either of you have gone.   Especially when you spell the word "god" instead of "God". 

 

And yes, Daniel, it comes as a surprise to those who work so very hard to deny any god - hard enough that fear causes them to deny any talk of religion on science forums.  Good to see people who are not afraid to tackle the topic.   Who knows?  Maybe 90% of scientists believe in a God as described by most Christians.  We'll never know.

 

As I said, interesting conversation as you bounce definitions back and forth.



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Posted 18 January 2020 - 04:32 PM

oh no, new wave...

Point the first: If you are a voodoo priestess, a soufi, a taoist, a bhuddist, a muslim, a jew, a christian, or whatever...you are still athist for every single other religion on that list.

Point the second: Science and religion cover completely different territories. You can't reproduce the burning bush on command (or part seas, or whatever mythical action) belief in the fairy tale requires faith. When you flick the lightswitch in your apartment the light turns on, when you login to email you get to read what's there, and your car continues along making 20000-180000 explosions per minute as you drive it all because those fairy tales can be reproduced on command.

Point the third: Skepticism is proportionate to intelligence. Byt where science does not yet tread lots of the big brains follow the same logic as Roko's Basilisk.  Essentially the MOST logical thing to do is to worship every possible god you are aware of "just in case" and ESPECIALLY worship the evil ones like The Basilisk or Kek, That Basilisk link will lead you to understand WHY that logic holds sound(and also why it's stupid).

Point the fourth: The Nobel isn't just about being Smart or doing Science. Obama has one, and he's just rich and slightly above the normal curve.



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Posted 18 January 2020 - 04:46 PM

oh no, new wave...

Point the first: If you are a voodoo priestess, a soufi, a taoist, a bhuddist, a muslim, a jew, a christian, or whatever...you are still athist for every single other religion on that list.

Point the second: Science and religion cover completely different territories. You can't reproduce the burning bush on command (or part seas, or whatever mythical action) belief in the fairy tale requires faith. When you flick the lightswitch in your apartment the light turns on, when you login to email you get to read what's there, and your car continues along making 20000-180000 explosions per minute as you drive it all because those fairy tales can be reproduced on command.

Point the third: Skepticism is proportionate to intelligence. Byt where science does not yet tread lots of the big brains follow the same logic as Roko's Basilisk.  Essentially the MOST logical thing to do is to worship every possible god you are aware of "just in case" and ESPECIALLY worship the evil ones like The Basilisk or Kek, That Basilisk link will lead you to understand WHY that logic holds sound(and also why it's stupid).

Point the fourth: The Nobel isn't just about being Smart or doing Science. Obama has one, and he's just rich and slightly above the normal curve.

GAHD,  am I right that some of those Nobel prizes are in no way related to science?  Ex:  the peace prize?  It is a nice award but is it science?

 

That said, my wayward contribution to this conversation is what has been a constant wish of mine. I have read many non-believing scientists explain why there is no god.  And most do make good logic.  What I have long wished for is to hear a believing scientist explain how he sees it possible that there is a god.  I just want to hear both sides.  And an answer other than "just in case".  Who was the scientist who said he would believe "just in case there is"? 



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Posted 18 January 2020 - 05:20 PM

GAHD,  am I right that some of those Nobel prizes are in no way related to science?  Ex:  the peace prize?  It is a nice award but is it science?

 

That said, my wayward contribution to this conversation is what has been a constant wish of mine. I have read many non-believing scientists explain why there is no god.  And most do make good logic.  What I have long wished for is to hear a believing scientist explain how he sees it possible that there is a god.  I just want to hear both sides.  And an answer other than "just in case".  Who was the scientist who said he would believe "just in case there is"? 

Probably this one, but he's not the only to make a similar argument.



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Posted 18 January 2020 - 05:44 PM

GAHD,  am I right that some of those Nobel prizes are in no way related to science?  Ex:  the peace prize?  It is a nice award but is it science?

 

That said, my wayward contribution to this conversation is what has been a constant wish of mine. I have read many non-believing scientists explain why there is no god.  And most do make good logic. What I have long wished for is to hear a believing scientist explain how he sees it possible that there is a god.  I just want to hear both sides.  And an answer other than "just in case". Who was the scientist who said he would believe "just in case there is"? 

 

Try here:

 

https://www.youtube....outu.be&t=3m24s



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Posted 19 January 2020 - 06:54 AM

Probably this one, but he's not the only to make a similar argument.

Right.  Blaise Pascal.  Thank you.  I once had a friend ask me if there really was a hereafter.  I said if there is you'll enjoy it; if not,  you'll never know.  So, don't worry about it.  Fair?



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Posted 19 January 2020 - 06:58 AM

Thank you, Daniel.  I'll have to wait until the rest of the tenants wake up or they'll slaughter me for disturbing their dreams. :out:



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Posted 19 January 2020 - 12:21 PM

Jews, Christians and Muslims are all praying to the same God, and believe in the same God.

 

They do not believe the same things.

 

Jews do not believe Jesus existed, ie they have zero record of a Jesus king of the jews. The Moslems think he was just another prophet (ie questionable sanity :) ) Some Born again christian groups think Jesus was god. Whereas CE christianity think he was a man who perhaps was good at magic tricks, and the stroies in the bible should not be taken literally.

 

Many definitions of god exists, if you speak to people in various countries around the world, they will all define something different. The old testament definition of deus does not include Shiva who is the supreme deity in Hinduism. Many nobel prize winners are Indian ie likely Hindu, their defintion of god is clearly not based on the old testament.