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1. ## A debate (attempt) about Gravity, what we know (and don't know) and why Newtonian Gravity is 'wrong', and Blackholes.

Just as I expected, you just can't help yourself.. OK, I see there is no point at all in trying to make this a decent forum, at least as long as you are here as a moderator. So, I also note you threaten your mod ban, again, as expected. So be it, clearly you don't want this forum to go anywhere, it's shame too.. Ok, Good bye.
2. ## A debate (attempt) about Gravity, what we know (and don't know) and why Newtonian Gravity is 'wrong', and Blackholes.

Newtonian Gravity is wrong: You need to get over it. Newtonian Gravity is 'descriptive' but not explanatory, it states approximately what happens, but does not even attempt to explain HOW it works. As such Newtonian Gravity is a good approximation, and perfectly useful for most 'human scale' purposes, but if you were to plot the error that Newtonian gravity has, that error never equals zero. Newtonian Gravity is not a description of how nature creates what we observe as gravity. This is NOT a controversial issue in science, although having been in use for 300 or so years, it is
3. ## A debate (attempt) about Gravity, what we know (and don't know) and why Newtonian Gravity is 'wrong', and Blackholes.

Also, I do know what big G and little g means, and I know that is from Newtonian gravity where gravity is treated as a force, big G is 'unit force per unit mass', and is a constant. Little g is 'how much you weigh', or gravitational acceleration. Now, you probably know that it is accepted that gravity is NOT a force and although it is close Newtonian gravity F = - Gm1m2/r2, is an approximation, at no scale at all does that equation yield an error of ZERO. It is a close approximation, that is close but NEVER right. Newtonian gravity is NOT how nature works, and it is not why thin
4. ## General Relativity: Energy Density and Gravity's Force

Science debate is about challenging current and dogmatic thinking, it is not about someone dropping the hammer on debate because you value your opinion over others, to the extent where you shut down the debate and issue warnings. In those posts you were trying to justify the Schwarzschild radius, and you were doing so using Newtonian Mathematics, it's not a Newtonian principle. You also mentioned big G and little g, you did not however explain or justify what that means, and I was interested to know your position of what that means. I don't dispute your Newtonian math, but I a
5. ## Mutex has a complaint

Don't you know science debate and discussion is no longer allowed in this forum?
6. ## Black Hole Information Paradox Comes To A End

Great you said some stuff, was as usual insulting, then you give me some equations that you admit have not been confirmed to be true, and all you had to do was give me the equation from relativity that shows that gravity varies with mass density. But you didn't do that, because you cannot support the claims you are making. This makes your claims DOGMA. Why are these things not debatable ? Also, do you not understand that Newtonian gravity is wrong? You've 'proven' me wrong with a wrong model.. We'll done. So now, when are you going to justify your claims and show some act
7. ## Black Hole Information Paradox Comes To A End

Great just what we needed!! More infinities LOL. So no curvature inside a black hole, and spaghettification works in every direction, as you get closer to the center of mass space gets longer/bigger so you get longer/bigger. (like we see in our own solar system, as mass gets larger density gets lower (gas giants, and a low density plasma sun 1/3 the density of earth). But we get a relative space length that is simply a function of the amount of mass, and the distance from that mass (so longest at the center of mass). It's the direct opposite to space or gravity being compressed
8. ## Black Hole Information Paradox Comes To A End

I've been in the ring the entire time, so far you have not made a single punch, how about you just answer the question. Anyone?
9. ## Black Hole Information Paradox Comes To A End

Where is the evidence, or equation where you can show that gravity (big or little) compresses or concentrates in any way as a result of density of the mass. It's just one question, but it seems you have nothing to show that it is the case, nice graphics is not that evidence. It's mass that determines gravity, and the amount of gravity is a function of the amount of mass and the distance from that mass, (assumed as a point source), again, show me where it makes any difference what the density of the matter makes any difference? Again, I can wait.
10. ## Black Hole Information Paradox Comes To A End

I'm talking about Gravity, you know the stuff that makes you fall down and that sticks you to the ground, the stuff that DOES NOT COMPRESS when you compress matter. But please, prove me wrong, (instead of just insulting), go ahead and show me the equations and established science that says that gravity compresses with mass. One thing I have notice is you provide NO evidence, no equation, you just get grumpy, sorry if you can't quite grasp the concepts. But I expect more from you guys. Why does big G or little g make any difference, do you have ANY evidence that you can compress the
11. ## Black Hole Information Paradox Comes To A End

Why? are you reducing (increasing) the volume of gravity along with the volume of mass? For these types of calculations you consider the mass a point anyway, and you calculate for a reasonable distance from the mass, but that is only because close to the mass (due to its volume) not all the mass can be consider from a single source directly below you. But regardless of that, your fundamental mistake is to consider that by compressing mass into a smaller volume you compress the gravity as well, no equations make that relationship, Either in Relativity, or in Newtonian gravity. Grav
12. ## Black Hole Information Paradox Comes To A End

How about you take each point I made and addressed each one, I gave you lots of meat to chew on, seems like you are not hungry ðŸ™‚
13. ## Black Hole Information Paradox Comes To A End

DO better !!! (looking up the answers at the back of the book will get you a fail grade). Then show your working, just saying that you did does not count. I gave my logic and reasoning, I think I made a good argument, I was very specific and referred to what we actually observe. Can you show me anywhere where there are equations that consider mass density as a function of gravity, or any observations that indicate that a black hole compresses gravity along with matter, but 'somehow' that gravity is still the same at r distance from that mass? I'll wait, but seriously, 'I'm
14. ## Black Hole Information Paradox Comes To A End

Sure, you can say that, do you have any evidence that shows that it is false? Or would you like to show your reasoning that you are using to come to that conclusion? I am just going with the available evidence and observations, that's what science does, it is what separates science debate and dogma, just saying it is false without providing your justification as to why it is false, for me is not what science does. I justified the statements I made, they are accepted observations and valid, no Einstein's or Newtons equation regarding gravity involve mass density, and from observatio
15. ## Black Hole Information Paradox Comes To A End

It's more speculation that information!!! ðŸ™‚ we simply do not know at all what happens inside or on the surface of a black hole, and it is not something that is possible to observe, so we can only speculate. Relativity (and even Newtonian gravity), do not consider mass DENSITY at all, and for good reason, it is not at all about the density of the mass, just the amount of mass and the distance from the center of mass. The reason why this is important is that it is assumed that when mass is compressed (such as in a black hole) that the gravity also compresses. However, gravit
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