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#154 montgomery

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 06:34 PM

...I'm pretty sure it easier to sue a company than to sue a government though? What make you think you can't sue a private company for poisoning?
 
nono, you are missing something here. Nice try to side-step but this is actually important.
 
 

  • Why are you putting words in my mouth by claiming to respond to me talking about china?

    You claimed that I brought up china specifically, that is a LIE and LIBEL. Why did you LIE about what I said? It's very important because you make many claims about Trump saying things, and have provided key evidence that you LIE and cannot be trusted. This directly leads to #2.
     
  • Which birther remarks are direct evidence of Trump promoting racism?

 

1. It may be a lie but you brought up communism and so you wanted to discuss it. But libel is a little over the top isn't it? 

2. Trump's birther remarks were all racist. Did you think they were meant for some other purpose? His base loves the racism issue and he used it to play to those lowlife schmucks. We're Canadians so can we just rise above the US lowlife nonsense?

 

I note that your post #147 is going on about private enterprise vs. government run services so I'll just briefly pursue that off-conversation here. Are you actually suggesting that Canada would be better off with the US style of health care? I can't quite believe any Canadian would think that!  And yes, I know there's big money to be made off the backs of the Canadian people, and that's the reason Alberta has some rightist politicians trying to wreck our health care system.

 

If you would prefer to leave health care and dwell on any other programs and services that government always does better, then we can to that. But I would reather ride the health care issue to the end with you. I really don't know what you might be promoting? Do you think the US system can compare favourably with hugely successful univeral, government run health care in the rest of the world's modern countries?



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Posted 13 February 2019 - 08:36 PM

1. It may be a lie but you brought up communism and so you wanted to discuss it. But libel is a little over the top isn't it? 
2. Trump's birther remarks were all racist. Did you think they were meant for some other purpose? His base loves the racism issue and he used it to play to those lowlife schmucks. We're Canadians so can we just rise above the US lowlife nonsense?
 
I note that your post #147 is going on about private enterprise vs. government run services so I'll just briefly pursue that off-conversation here. Are you actually suggesting that Canada would be better off with the US style of health care? I can't quite believe any Canadian would think that!  And yes, I know there's big money to be made off the backs of the Canadian people, and that's the reason Alberta has some rightist politicians trying to wreck our health care system.
 
If you would prefer to leave health care and dwell on any other programs and services that government always does better, then we can to that. But I would reather ride the health care issue to the end with you. I really don't know what you might be promoting? Do you think the US system can compare favourably with hugely successful univeral, government run health care in the rest of the world's modern countries?

1. You defamed my character claiming that I brought up what you explicitly asked not to be brought up. That is definition of libel. I'm glad you admit you lied, now be better in the future.
2. Specifically, which ones? Cause I've gone back and checked, and nothing about it is remotely as you claim. Just like #1 this appears to be a LIE you are perpetuating. Every single other argument you make is called into discredit and question because you willfully ignore truth and lie. You cannot be trusted; facts and original sources please. If every single one is racist like you say, that should be VERY easy for you to do.

You started a whole heath care thread and are skidding around there like a pinto on black ice already. Probably best to keep it consolidated there (and try not to lie so much).


Edited by GAHD, 13 February 2019 - 09:52 PM.
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Posted 13 February 2019 - 09:20 PM

Trump's birther remarks were all racist. Did you think they were meant for some other purpose? His base loves the racism issue and he used it to play to those lowlife schmucks. We're Canadians so can we just rise above the US lowlife nonsense?

 

 

Just more of the same old ipse dixit "argument," eh, Monty?  It's the old petitio principii fallacy.  You know, the one where your "conclusion" merely reasserts your premise.

 

Like:  Trump's birther remarks were all racist; "therefore" Trump's birther remarks were all racist.

 

A hollow tautology, totally devoid of any substantive content.


Edited by Moronium, 13 February 2019 - 09:21 PM.


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Posted 14 February 2019 - 11:00 AM

Just more of the same old ipse dixit "argument," eh, Monty?  It's the old petitio principii fallacy.  You know, the one where your "conclusion" merely reasserts your premise.

 

Like:  Trump's birther remarks were all racist; "therefore" Trump's birther remarks were all racist.

 

A hollow tautology, totally devoid of any substantive content.

It's all good Moronium, to add to our understanding of what makes Trump tick. What was it again that you are proposing for an alternative reason why Trump used the birther nonsense? Something about Obama not being born an American?

 

To what emotions does Trump appeal in his followers? Racism and exclusion of minorities are the two that stick out the most to me.



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Posted 14 February 2019 - 11:05 AM

1. You defamed my character claiming that I brought up what you explicitly asked not to be brought up. That is definition of libel. I'm glad you admit you lied, now be better in the future.
2. Specifically, which ones? Cause I've gone back and checked, and nothing about it is remotely as you claim. Just like #1 this appears to be a LIE you are perpetuating. Every single other argument you make is called into discredit and question because you willfully ignore truth and lie. You cannot be trusted; facts and original sources please. If every single one is racist like you say, that should be VERY easy for you to do.

You started a whole heath care thread and are skidding around there like a pinto on black ice already. Probably best to keep it consolidated there (and try not to lie so much).

Yes, we should keep health care on the health care thread. But when you bring up the subject you shouldn't expect that I'll just ignore it for you.

 

I think that communism and capitalism are sub-topics that belong here on this discussion on Trump. The reason is, he's tricking the people into believing that any amount of 'socially responsible government' is equivalent to socialsim. He says that America will never be a socialist country, and that's a dishonest and exaggerated statement. Of course it never will be socialist, and neither will Norway. But by saying it he's coaxing the people into denying that which they're so desperately striving for. SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY IN GOVERNMENT. Sooner or later we need to talk about that! 


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Posted 14 February 2019 - 11:26 AM

Yes, we should keep health care on the health care thread. But when you bring up the subject you shouldn't expect that I'll just ignore it for you.

 

I think that communism and capitalism are sub-topics that belong here on this discussion on Trump. The reason is, he's tricking the people into believing that any amount of 'socially responsible government' is equivalent to socialsim. He says that America will never be a socialist country, and that's a dishonest and exaggerated statement. Of course it never will be socialist, and neither will Norway. But by saying it he's coaxing the people into denying that which they're so desperately striving for. SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY IN GOVERNMENT. Sooner or later we need to talk about that! 

Really, Did *I* bring healthcare up? Or are you putting words in my mouth again? It's REALLLY easy to look back with those quote-arrows and see who brings things up. I've responded to it, but I wonder "who brought it up" ? This is that "China" thing all over again. Ya liar.

2. Specifically, which ones?(birther remarks) Cause I've gone back and checked, and nothing about it is remotely as you claim. Just like #1 this appears to be a LIE you are perpetuating. Every single other argument you make is called into discredit and question because you willfully ignore truth and lie. You cannot be trusted; facts and original sources please. If every single one is racist like you say, that should be VERY easy for you to do.
 

Still refusing to answer. I'll take that as you are too much of a liar to care about truth. In which case: why should anyone bother reading what you have to say? You're wasting my time and the site's bandwidth. Shape up.



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Posted 14 February 2019 - 12:07 PM

Really, Did *I* bring healthcare up? Or are you putting words in my mouth again? It's REALLLY easy to look back with those quote-arrows and see who brings things up. I've responded to it, but I wonder "who brought it up" ? This is that "China" thing all over again. Ya liar.

Still refusing to answer. I'll take that as you are too much of a liar to care about truth. In which case: why should anyone bother reading what you have to say? You're wasting my time and the site's bandwidth. Shape up.

You may be correct in saying that you didn't 'bring up' health care, but you at least mentioned it and that's what prompted me to answer. Sorry about that. 

 

I'll take your comments on me being a liar as it relates to me refusing to answer to your idea that Trump using the birther stuff wasn't racism. So all I can say on that is that I believe that it was. Maybe the way forward for us would be for you to try to exaplain your position on how it was something other than racism?

 

Does this link serve to make my point on Trump's racism?

https://www.nytimes....ump-racist.html

 

We have a difference of opinions and it's no reason to get angry and insulting. But what you can do is tell me what purpose other than racism was intended with the 'birther' remarks. 

 

As to all your accusations against me, I'll accept full responsibility in order to bring it to a close. 


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Posted 15 February 2019 - 12:18 PM

So Tulsi Gabbard is introducing a bill to the US congress to stop Trump from pulling out of the INF. We know who the mad psychopath is by now but we may get some insight into which parrty, or both, is/are the war parties! 

 

This at least begins to put the lie to the notion that it's the Russians that wanted out of it!



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Posted 16 February 2019 - 12:35 AM

Maybe the way forward for us would be for you to try to exaplain your position on how it was something other than racism?

 

You have demonstrated yourself to be utterly incapable of analyzing your own assumptions, Monty, so I doubt this will help you at all, but...

 

1.  Suppose Obama was white.  Let's even change his name for purposes of visualization and call him "Nixon."

 

2.  Further suppose that Trump completely opposed his policies

 

3.  Further suppose that there were legitimate questions about Nixon's origin of birth.

 

Now, then, do you think Trump would ignore the situation because Nixon was white?

 

Conversely, if I disagree with a person who is not of my race, does that, ipso facto, suggest that I'm a racist?  (I suspect your answer to this one will be "yes').  But what if I'm black, and disagree with a white man, say Nixon?  Does that make me a racist?



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Posted 16 February 2019 - 11:50 AM

You have demonstrated yourself to be utterly incapable of analyzing your own assumptions, Monty, so I doubt this will help you at all, but...

 

1.  Suppose Obama was white.  Let's even change his name for purposes of visualization and call him "Nixon."

 

2.  Further suppose that Trump completely opposed his policies

 

3.  Further suppose that there were legitimate questions about Nixon's origin of birth.

 

Now, then, do you think Trump would ignore the situation because Nixon was white?

 

Conversely, if I disagree with a person who is not of my race, does that, ipso facto, suggest that I'm a racist?  (I suspect your answer to this one will be "yes').  But what if I'm black, and disagree with a white man, say Nixon?  Does that make me a racist?

 

 

The only answer I need provide for all your loaded questions is:

 

The odds of Trump being a racist are very high because of other racist remarks and racist actions we can attribute to him. Why do you want to defend him?

 

Here's my opening shot at supplying the evidence Mronium. don't miss reading all the links on studies and surveys done on your friend!

 

https://en.wikipedia...of_Donald_Trump

 

Let's see yours now? If it looks like a duck, ..........................


Edited by montgomery, 16 February 2019 - 11:56 AM.