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#52 Essay

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Posted 13 July 2009 - 02:11 AM

This is an idea I have long wondered about, did disease brought in by Homo sapiens wipe out the Neanderthals?


jp.dk - Illness brought down early human rival: scientist

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Heck, we decimate our own species as we migrate around; it only makes sense, eh?

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Posted 20 July 2009 - 01:51 PM

Were Neanderthals already poised for extinction before humans showed up?

Neanderthals Were Few and Poised for Extinction

Neanderthals Were Few and Poised for Extinction | LiveScience

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Posted 23 July 2009 - 08:44 AM

Human Stabbed a Neanderthal, Evidence Suggests

Newly analyzed remains suggest that a modern human killed a Neanderthal man in what is now Iraq between 50,000 and 75,000 years ago. The finding is scant but tantalizing evidence for a theory that modern humans helped to kill off the Neanderthals.

The probable weapon of choice: A thrown spear.

The evidence: A lethal wound on the remains of a Neanderthal skeleton.

The victim: A 40- to 50-year-old male, now called Shanidar 3, with signs of arthritis and a sharp, deep slice in his left ninth rib.

Human Stabbed a Neanderthal, Evidence Suggests | LiveScience

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Posted 03 August 2009 - 03:01 PM

More on the demise of the Neanderthals

The Mysterious Downfall of the Neandertals
Paleoanthropologists know more about Neandertals than any other extinct human. But their demise remains a mystery, one that gets curiouser and curiouser


The Mysterious Downfall of the Neandertals: Scientific American

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Posted 06 August 2009 - 09:48 PM

What was Lucy?

I have stopped calling knuckle-dragging, idiot Homo sapiens "neandertahal" as it seems it is a compliment.

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 05:14 AM

What was Lucy?

Australopithecus afarensis. See also Lucy's Story at the Institute of human origin at Arizona State. A very interesting multimedia piece on anthropology and Lucy's place in the human line can be seen at Becoming human.

Back to Neanderthals. The SciAm link provided by Moontanman are very informative and raises very interesting possibilities regards the demise of Neanderthals. I also found a list of 10 misconceptions about Neanderthal this morning at Top 10 Misconceptions About Neanderthals - Listverse From what I know on the subject it is relatively accurate. Interesting though is the comments below. It is just amazing how common it is for people to participate in discussions on subjects they have no clue about. :hyper:

I can also recommend Brian Sykes' book "The seven daughters of Eve" mentioned by Maddog. Not exclusively Neanderthal, but a very good read from a DNA point of view.

The Earth Children series http://www.amazon.com/Earths-Children-Complete-5-Set/dp/B0010XHYYQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1249729294&sr=1-1 by Jean M Auel was mentioned previously. I stumbled across the first book, Clan of the Cavebear http://www.amazon.com/Clan-Cave-Bear-Jean-Auel/dp/0553381679/ref=pd_sim_dbs_b_1, during 1984 and has read all of them. I was impressed with the research done in making a fictional series of books sound like history on a day to day level of a Cro-Magnon woman. My interest in Anthropology have increase quite a lot since reading the books so I must confess the Neanderthal angle, I presume as being represented by Ayla's foster clan, has either escaped me or my memory is slipping due to age. Will have to re-read the series.

BTW, why does the forum suddenly paste thumbnails like above. I inserted the URLs as normal by selecting text and paste the URL into the box provided by clicking the globe and chain icon above the edit window?

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Posted 02 November 2009 - 11:15 AM

More info on the whole "Did Humans and Neanderthals mate" debate!

Modern man had sex with Neanderthals
Modern man and Neanderthals had sex across the species barrier, according to leading geneticist Professor Svante Paabo.


Modern man had sex with Neanderthals - Telegraph

I can see it all now, a cave looking out over the river, a carpet of soft moss all over the inside of his cave, a mammoth skin full of water covered in furs for his bed, yeah allyoop was quite the lover boy! How could those Cro-Magon men have resisted :eek:

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 12:08 AM

He's "sure" and now he's "looking for data"...

Gosh, what ever happened to newspaper editors?

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy, :shrug:
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Posted 03 November 2009 - 03:00 AM

Well, I see it isn't likely we f***ed them out of existence, according to a recent study: Genetic study of Neanderthal DNA reveals early split between humans and Neanderthals.

As for the idea that we killed all of them because one Neanderthal was killed by a spear that might have been made by a homo sapiens, I'd love to defend any homo sapiens who might be accused of the killing. That kind of extrapolation always reminds me of Thor Heyerdahl, who in turn reminds me of:

YouTube - Monty Python: Emigration from Surbiton to Hounslow

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Posted 05 January 2010 - 11:07 PM

Here is some more on Neanderthals not being less than Homo sapiens.

Britain's Last Neanderthals Were More Sophisticated Than We Thought

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 02:49 AM

Here is some more on Neanderthals not being less than Homo sapiens.

Britain's Last Neanderthals Were More Sophisticated Than We Thought


They don't say exactly how many tools they found. Why would such precious ojects be just left?

It used to be that calling someone a"neanderthal" was an insult. As we learn more about them the name is increasingly becoming a compliment.

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 11:51 AM

They don't say exactly how many tools they found. Why would such precious ojects be just left?

It used to be that calling someone a"neanderthal" was an insult. As we learn more about them the name is increasingly becoming a compliment.


I have often wondered why such tools would just be left, I suspect that not only were such tools a little more disposable than we think but that like us those people just lost things occasionally. I know I've lost some pretty important stuff just in my yard but such tools probably had a life time over which the edge had to be redone occasionally and possibly just making a new one was easier than redoing the edge on an old one? It is a puzzle I haven't seen addressed.

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 04:23 PM

Evidence of sophisticated 'human' behaviour some 750 000 years b.p.:


Modern behavior of early humans found half-million years earlier than thought

Modern behavior of early humans found half-million years earlier than previously thought

Human Ancestors Were Homemakers | LiveScience

http://www.nytimes.c.../22archaeo.html

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 04:26 PM

Evidence that Neanderthals may have used body paint/makeup and were more sophisticated than we thought.

BBC News - Neanderthal 'make-up' containers discovered

Heavy Brows, High Art?: Newly Unearthed Painted Shells Show Neandertals Were Homo sapiens 's Mental Equals: Scientific American

Neanderthals were not stupid, indicates new evidence .:. newkerala.com Online News -27211

Prehistoric Jewelry Reveals Neanderthal Fashion Sense : Discovery News

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 05:37 PM

Two new links on the possibility that Neanderthals were hastened to their demise by erupting volcanoes. Another recent link seems to indicate hat at least one of the areas involved was the flower of Neanderthal civilization... well bud anyway....


http://www.physorg.c...s205059829.html

http://www.sci-tech-...id=13000CWJXTBO

Here is the link about a relatively advanced Neanderthal culture near one of the volcanoes ...

http://www.scienceda...00921171412.htm

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 12:39 PM

More on neanderthals...

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Three Neanderthal Sub-Groups Confirmed

ScienceDaily (Apr. 15, 2009) — The Neanderthals inhabited a vast geographical area extending from Europe to western Asia and the Middle East 30,000 to 100,000 years ago. Now, a group of researchers are questioning whether or not the Neanderthals constituted a homogenous group or separate sub-groups (between which slight differences could be observed).


http://www.scienceda...90415075150.htm

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 12:41 PM

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Neanderthals Had Feelings Too, Say Researchers

ScienceDaily (Oct. 5, 2010) — Pioneering new research by archaeologists at the University of York suggests that Neanderthals belied their primitive reputation and had a deep seated sense of compassion.

http://www.scienceda...01005085505.htm