Fossil find confirms Kauffman and Progogine self organization.

[Christopher]

Christopher, I did try to read your posts, but they were a bit over-long and tedious to trawl through. Please be a little more brief. I hate to use the page down button that often in a single post, only to find further posts from the same person at the end!

 

 

 

 

 

In the Darwinian framework complex multi-celled life evolved from simpler multi-celled life.

In the Vesica Attractor model, complex and simple life crystallized directly and separately from a microbial substrate.

Their complexity reflecting the substrate.

 

What this thread is showing is that the fossil records actually supports the Vesica Attractor model over Darwinian models of common desent, and also reflects current genome research, as well as chaos theory.

 

Questions ? Any and all. :eek2:

[nkt]

Ok, so by your arguement, complexity arose spontaneously, forming from some predetermined patterns that can be found on a substrate.

 

Bit tricky, as where did the (presumably spontaneously designed) substrate come from? This would seem to imply a creator to design the substrate.

 

Further, how does this explain clear examples of evolution in modern times, such as the diary cow?

 

Finally, how does your model explain extinctions? Surely the model would re-appear after some time, as the underlying substrate was unchanged? Or are you saying the substrate itself evolves?

[Christopher]

Ok, so by your arguement, complexity arose spontaneously, forming from some predetermined patterns that can be found on a substrate.

 

Bit tricky, as where did the (presumably spontaneously designed) substrate come from? This would seem to imply a creator to design the substrate.

 

The substrate exsisted as lose matrix of single cell eukaryote and photosynthetic cyanobacteria

in the primordial ocean exsisting as metabolic feedback loops or “auto catalytic sets.”

 

 

What is an autocatalytic set ?

If a collection of interacting entities are brought together then they may react in certain ways only, e.g. entity A may be able to affect B but not C. D may only affect E. For a sufficiently large collection of different entities a situation may arise where a complete network of interconnections can be established - the entities become part of one system. This is called an autocatalytic set, after the ability of molecules to catalyze each other's formation in the chemical equivalent of this arrangement.

 

 

 

 

the oolite. These spheres are the main component of this self construction process they act as a fluid scaffolding allowing channels to form like a dynamic cellular automata. As they dissolve in the microbial substrate ,they will construct in these points in space flexible geodesic scaffolding {see extra cellular matrix} on the microscopic level this is what I am referring to as a {descending order of iteration matrices that self organize the cellular structure} and produce an outer shell in the prosses.{Shelled animals produce shells from this oolitic mineral aragonite} Not all will form shells though, but I can reduce all these shell structures to their origins to this Vesica attractor, and also fish, cephalopods and any of the structures that can be reduced to a torus a doughnut shape.

 

 

Once the form reaches a critical mass it becomes stationary and is reformed into an egg shaped vessel. The wave pulse then becomes internalized bringing the inner clockwork pattern into a dynamic synchronicity with the macro-environment at large. These layers form a symmetrical pattern of embedded concentric channels that unite at a central basin. Seawater is directed into right and left apertures that have opened into logarithmic spirals. This energetic form being shaped by the balance between internal structure and external flow. This recursive logarithmic structure appears to be the key in the self-reflexive nature of a biological system.

 

 

 

Another key in the self-making ability of the embryonic material that forms the vesica attractor is in it's ability to shape-shift around the tendency of a fluid to seek an ordered path though and around a medium. This medium having a fine balance of cohesion and plasticity.

The next key is in the mineral content of the spheres. Aragonite, this form of calcium carbonate has properties that promote microbial growth and acts as a mineral substrate for initiating an autopoetic biochemical cycle. This mineral has been discovered to be a fundamental element in maintaining an autopoetic system in coral reefs and closed artificial systems such as salt water aquariums.

Another important roll of the oolites is in their ability to act as a dynamic scaffolding. As the aragonite spheres dissolve though chemical and mechanical forces, a synergy unfolds throughout the emerging structure, As the oolites shrink they become point attractors among the eukaryote cells, that have now adopted the fluid energetic pattern left by the cyanobacteria filaments. As the oolites lose mass they induce the production of new filaments that emerge from the outer cellular membranes of the eukaryotes. Anchoring proteins extend through the plasma membrane to link to the emerging cytoskeleton structure. Simply put, as the temporary oolitic scaffolding deconstructs, it constructs it's permanent replacement. These Anchoring-type junctions not only hold cells together but provide tissues with structural cohesion. These junctions are produced more abundantly in tissues that are subject to higher mechanical stress such as the outer skin and heart. Connective tissues begin forming flexible geodesic scaffolding by drawing in and connecting to points in space where the oolites have now vacated. These connecting points form the extracellular matrix, meanwhile the vesica apertures acts as a cycle attractor spiraling inward keeping a central tension as the embryo loses mass and takes shape, simultaneously providing a flow of renewing sea water though the recursive system as it pulses in time with wave cycles. The central apertures begins to coil in slack in the form of a layered network of connected cells. This dense mass of wound together cells will form heart tissue. This tension that connects eukaryote cells in a medium of cohesion is called (tensegrity). Tensegrity results in a crystallization of connections in the architecture of the emerging organism, enabling the individual cell though it's own intracellular matrix to respond to a potential fitness space. This crystallization of the recursive dynamic structure might well result in an "algorithmic self-assembly" of genetic probabilities.

Developing layers of the body plan are connected from heart, shell, exo-skeleton or notochord, down to the strands of DNA in the cells nucleus by this network of filaments, thus tuning the cells information bank to circuits of communication though the internal structure, then out to the universe at large. A current of information begins to flow between the micro-cellular universe below to a cognitive landscape of the macro-universe above. "Cogito ergo sum

 

 

 

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Indeed, it is the chief frustration of the fossil record that we do not have empirical evidence for sustained trends in the evolution of most complex morphological adaptations.

 

Gould, S. J. and Eldredge, N., 1988

"Species selection: its range and power"

Scientific correspondence in Nature, Vol. 334, p. 19

 

 

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As is now well known, most fossil species appear instantaneously in the fossil record."

 

Kemp, Tom (1985)

"A Fresh Look at the Fossil Record"

New Scientist, Vol. 108, No. 1485, December 5, 1985), p. 66

(Dr. Tom Kemp is Curator of Zoological Collections at the Oxford University Museum

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Described recently as "the most important evolutionary event during the entire history of the Metazoa," the Cambrian explosion established virtually all the major animal body forms -- Bauplane or phyla -- that would exist thereafter, including many that were 'weeded out' and became extinct. Compared with the 30 or so extant phyla, some people estimate that the Cambrian explosion may have generated as many as 100. The evolutionary innovation of the Precambrian/Cambrian boundary had clearly been extremely broad: "unprecedented and unsurpassed," as James Valentine of the University of California, Santa Barbara, recently put it (Lewin, 1988).

Lewin then asked the all important question:

 

"Why, in subsequent periods of great evolutionary activity when countless species, genera, and families arose, have there been no new animal body plans produced, no new phyla?"

 

Lewin, R. (1988)

Science, vol. 241, 15 July, p. 291

 

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Paleontologists had long been aware of a seeming contradiction between Darwin's postulate of gradualism ... and the actual findings of paleontology. Following phyletic lines through time seemed to reveal only minimal gradual changes but no clear evidence for any change of a species into a different genus or for the gradual origin of an evolutionary novelty. Anything truly novel always seemed to appear quite abruptly in the fossil record.

 

Mayr, E., 1991

One Long Argument: Charles Darwin and the Genesis of Modern Evolutionary Thought

Harvard University Press, Cambridge, p. 138

 

 

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What one actually found was nothing but discontinuities. All species are separated from each other by bridgeless gaps; intermediates between species are not observed. ... The problem was even more serious at the level of the higher categories.

 

Mayr, E., 1982

The Growth of Biological Thought: Diversity, Evolution, and Inheritance

The Belknap Press of Harvard University Press, p. 524

[Christopher]

Bit tricky, as where did the (presumably spontaneously designed) substrate come from? This would seem to imply a creator to design the substrate.

 

Further, how does this explain clear examples of evolution in modern times, such as the diary cow?

 

Finally, how does your model explain extinctions? Surely the model would re-appear after some time, as the underlying substrate was unchanged? Or are you saying the substrate itself evolves?

 

 

This system self-constructs an archetype, fully formed from the microbial substrate.

 

This basic pattern then represents the top of the hierarchal system, and remains so by acting as a compendium of genetic memory a "hard drive" for the entire phyla.

 

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As for why these vesica attractors are not still forming. I would say that the pristine conditions that formed these nurseries would disappear after the Cambrian explosion . The metazoans would have changed the environment drastically and permanently.

 

An analogy of the Genetic controls in the formation of the original body plans might be compared to how snow fakes crystallize from the underlying order of the water molecule.

 

As the oolitic mass shrinks....A crystallization of genetic probabilities emerge from a medium of cohesive networks, forming self reflexive circuits of tension.{ see tensegrity }

 

This is what I am referring to as a {descending order of iteration matrices that self organize the cellular structure}Tensigrity combined with fluid dynamics, builds the architectural framework first.

 

This wave of tension descends to the cellular level. The extracellular matrix will begin to form bonds with the intracellular matrix inside the individual cell.

 

[This intracellular matrix controls gene switching]

 

This resonance results in a synchronization and amplification of genetic responses resulting in network of connections in the architecture of the emerging organism, enabling the individual cell though it's own intracellular matrix to respond to this outer matrix.

This crystallization of the recursive dynamic structure might well result in an "algorithmic self-assembly" of genetic probabilities.

 

This may be a solution to some lose ends in our present understanding the development of complex morphology. The answer it appears is the architectural framework formed first, from wave dynamics working from the outside inward, while the interior design of genetics, worked from the inside out. Presently most research is focused solely on genomic controls in the formation of complex morphology. The answer it appears is that nature hired its architect first {wave dynamics} its interior designer second, {genetic probabilities} Just as we would in building a structure.