Strange Claims About Dna, Dice, And Water

[HydrogenBond]

Moderation note: This post, and replies to it, were moved from the Biology forum thread “Natural Selection” to the strange claims forum because the original post and several supporting it fail to back up their claims with links or references, as required by hypography’s site rules.

 

If you look at the DNA, there are aspects of the DNA that are conserved and will rarely change. Cells are not throwing dice looking for an ATP replacement. There are also aspects of the DNA that are in flux and are more subject to change. Random does not apply equally to the entire DNA, as proven by this observation.

 

A key misunderstanding about evolution, is often induced by those who believe in the random universe approach. They never point out this observation, but leave it to the audience to misunderstand that random is the same all along the DNA. Most people expect anything can happen. Animals, like crocodiles, that stay the same, except for tiny tweaks, have their DNA dice highly loaded and conserved, because the DNA have reached a sweet spot, with only minor polishing needed.

[pgrmdave]

If you look at the DNA, there are aspects of the DNA that are conserved and will rarely change. Cells are not throwing dice looking for an ATP replacement. There are also aspects of the DNA that are in flux and are more subject to change. Random does not apply equally to the entire DNA, as proven by this observation.

Actually, this kind of stuff happens a lot.  And the people who are born with those mutations normally die very quickly so the mutation doesn't have any time to get passed down.  It's probably one of the reasons why the majority of fertilized eggs never develop into a child.  Saying that there are some stable parts of DNA based only on animals who reach adulthood is one heck of a selection bias.

Edited May 5, 2015 by pgrmdave

[HydrogenBond]

Actually, this kind of stuff happens a lot.  And the people who are born with those mutations normally die very quickly so the mutation doesn't have any time to get passed down.  It's probably one of the reasons why the majority of fertilized eggs never develop into a child.  Saying that there are some stable parts of DNA based only on animals who reach adulthood is one heck of a selection bias.

 

The random mutation terms, is not exactly the correct term, when describing changes on the DNA, since different parts of the DNA dice are loaded differently. Some are six sided dice, some are three sided dice.

 

There can still be variation anywhere along the DNA, but at different rates. Some parts of the DNA are a like addicted gambler, while other parts are like a person who buys a lottery ticket now and then. This much control along the DNA is not a random design. However, it will still make use of random, but in a selective way.

 

It would follow that crocodile DNA is more loaded, than many other species, such that there are more lottery tickets buyer genes than gambling addict genes.

Edited May 6, 2015 by HydrogenBond

[Moontanman]

 

 

It would follow that crocodile DNA is more loaded, than many other species, such that there are more lottery tickets buyer genes than gambling addict genes.

 

 

Citation please...

[HydrogenBond]

Look at this logically. Crocodiles exist in the same geographical places as hundreds of other species, with few if any of these other species persisting as long. One can factor out environmental potentials since these are common to all. What is left is the still the assumption of random changes on the DNA. How can two species, have the same average rate of random changes in the same basic environment, yet one does not change for millions of years, while the others change. The DNA dice of one has to be more loaded. Biology is not an inference science, which may be why reason is not allowed.   

 

One way to prove this would be to take a species, like mice, that reproduce quickly. To simulate loaded genes, we will use human selection and hand pick tight DNA compliance mice from each generation. We will then eliminate the rest from the test. We will also have another control group that uses natural selection. This will simulate less loaded dice. After so many generations, with both in the same environment, we should see the loaded genes mice, simulated by human selection, persisting longer.

 

Inside the crocodile is a chemical selection mechanism. 

Edited May 7, 2015 by HydrogenBond

[Moontanman]

 

 

Inside the crocodile is a chemical selection mechanism. 

 

 

Yes it's called DNA and an Amoeba has orders of magnitude more than a gator or a human, care to try to spout some more horse feathers... 

[HydrogenBond]

Yes it's called DNA and an Amoeba has orders of magnitude more than a gator or a human, care to try to spout some more horse feathers... 

 

 

The DNA does not select. If you take the chromosomes out of a cell, and place these in a beaker, with all the raw materials a cell uses, it does not do anything. It will remain packed like compressed files on a hard drive. The hard drive needs a mother board an processor to do anything. The Amoeba has orders of magnitude more hard drive space, but that alone means little.

 

The water is what selects. The reason is all the folding of enzymes, and all the composites, including unpacking enzymes/DNA are equilibrium phases within water. If you change the solvent, all equilibria will change due to different potentials. Nothing will work like it supposed to. 

 

For example, the starting sequences on coding genes contain a lot of adenine; A. The reason for this is, adenine is the most endothermic; heat of formation, of the nucleic acids. It is a hot spot in the water; water/oil effect. This is easily identifiable and will need equilibrium enzymes. 

 

ATP is also a hot spot, seeking equilibrium. Since water and oil (analogy) create surface tension, which is based on water forming covalent hydrogen bonding networks, the ATP hot spot will diffuse and find equilibrium, where water is forming cooperative hydrogen bonding networks, such as on enzymes surfaces.

 

The reaction of ATP releases phosphate and gains water. The water is taken from the cooperative network. Because of the nature of cooperative hydrogen bonding, the loss of one water molecule in the network, is taking knife to even one thread in a tense nylon stocking. It will cause a run. The run in the water net, increases the entropy, lowers volume and the increases enthalpy in the water around the surface enzyme. The result is the enzyme will equilibrium shape shift. 

[pgrmdave]

The DNA does not select. If you take the chromosomes out of a cell, and place these in a beaker, with all the raw materials a cell uses, it does not do anything. It will remain packed like compressed files on a hard drive. The hard drive needs a mother board an processor to do anything. The Amoeba has orders of magnitude more hard drive space, but that alone means little.

 

The water is what selects. The reason is all the folding of enzymes, and all the composites, including unpacking enzymes/DNA are equilibrium phases within water. If you change the solvent, all equilibria will change due to different potentials. Nothing will work like it supposed to. 

 

You know, if you take DNA and you put it in water, it does not do anything.