ErlyRisa Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Which is the more efficient society? The Ewoks, that are happy just Truddling along the Forest floor, living in the Trees? Or The Western ecology? Where we build everything out of fricken concrete? Concrete is cheap right? Some family way back, purchased amountain made out of it right? Thier kids would want Ferraris to drive in right? - Who cares about the CO2 being pissed into the atmosphere right? --> Hell we'll even make Timber products unfashoinable for 50yrs straight just to make sure we can sell them Aluminium and Glass tables right? Humans...especially the last 50yrs would have to have been the dumbest bunch of nitwits ever envisaged: And the rich are just laughing thier arses off: Cause they already have a ticket on Spaceship 2 --> they couldn't give a stuff about you, they actually WANT you to bury yourselves....that way they get to F like rabbits and populate b/c apparently they were the smart ones. Funniest part was when they were tricked into Carbon trading---> the rich actually didn't understand this, but it was worked in a manner in which they come out ontop AGAIN. b/c apparently the average is stupider than they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eclogite Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 Erly Risa, there is an arguably valid point in your post, however the style, the emotional content, the conspiracy theory, the absence of supporting data, the sloppy grammar and typing, all render it (seriously)substandard. I suggest you rewrite it in an acceptable manner and repost it. (You are smart enough to know what it would take to make it acceptable. Don't pretend you are not.) Moontanman, JMJones0424 and pgrmdave 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eclogite Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 If you choose not to address the points raised in my previous post I shall conclude you have no interest in discussing any point you may have had and shall lock the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErlyRisa Posted September 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Sometimes...using (utilising) the class based lingo, is NOT the right thing todo. I could speak in a manner befiting the classes that had us wondering about the shiny new aluminium spoons that the miners of the world had procured for such gentry to slurp thier fine fresh over laden troph of wine on... ...but when I whinge it's like poetry. Interesting connection(s) ...no longer interest me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eclogite Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Sometimes...using (utilising) the class based lingo, is NOT the right thing todo. I could speak in a manner befiting the classes that had us wondering about the shiny new aluminium spoons that the miners of the world had procured for such gentry to slurp thier fine fresh over laden troph of wine on... ...but when I whinge it's like poetry. Interesting connection(s) ...no longer interest me.Unfortunately, it does not seem in any way comparable with Elliot or Byron. I thought that, on a science forum, your posts would benefit from clear, concise English, rather than self indulgent waffle. I thought you had a rather important point to make. However, if your style can put off, even offend, someone leaning to your point of view, what hope can it have of changing the point of viewof someone who is antagonistic to it? On the other hand, if you have no intention of trying to change anyones' viewpoint, or clarifying your own, would you not be better expressing these thoughts in a bar? These questions are not rhetorical. I am genuinely puzzled by why, on a forum for communication, anyone would deliberately make little effort to communicate and even choose to use devices that obfuscate their message. I have encountered it many times and would welcome some insight from you on these points since - apparently - you no longer wish to discsuss your OP. Moontanman and JMJones0424 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErlyRisa Posted September 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 The test is too see: Does the language of the ewok, have any merit in the city peoples mindset? --of course not: Would the city people want to give up thier mindset AND the city...NO! Energy is not just about the half mv squared stuff... its about who gets "more" of a particular recurance of want in life.eg. the washing machine, the car, the stereo...AND the KNOWLEDGE that they are city people vs. the ewoks. iff, city people (Blade Runner), are the only people...than how are they "different"?would the ewoks see that they are ewoks...and are in effect the truly happy people. interesting...don't you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eclogite Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 What test? Who are you testing? Forum members? A hypothetical group of city dwellers? Some other subset of humanity? What do you mean by the language of the ewok? Your metaphor is opaque. Metaphorical language can be powerful in aiding effective communication, but the metaphor must work clearly for your audience. I can think of several interpretations, some contradictory. You need to demonstrate that city people would reject a rural view. Many city people are there through necessity, or lethargy, not choice. You are ignoring this, or are ignorant of it. I have no idea what a "recurance of want in life" is. Care to explain? There are at least two completely different ways of parsing this: Energy is not just about the half mv squared stuff... its about who gets "more" of a particular recurance of want in life.eg. the washing machine, the car, the stereo...AND the KNOWLEDGE that they are city people vs. the ewoks. iff, city people (Blade Runner), are the only people...than how are they "different"?More impenetrable metaphor and broken grammar. If, as appears to be the case, English is your second or third language, may I suggest writing in shorter, less complex sentences. Also, avoid allusions that mean something significant to you, but will be lost on much of your audience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErlyRisa Posted December 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 What test? Who are you testing? Forum members? A hypothetical group of city dwellers? Some other subset of humanity? What do you mean by the language of the ewok? Your metaphor is opaque. Metaphorical language can be powerful in aiding effective communication, but the metaphor must work clearly for your audience. I can think of several interpretations, some contradictory. You need to demonstrate that city people would reject a rural view. Many city people are there through necessity, or lethargy, not choice. You are ignoring this, or are ignorant of it. I have no idea what a "recurance of want in life" is. Care to explain? There are at least two completely different ways of parsing this: More impenetrable metaphor and broken grammar. If, as appears to be the case, English is your second or third language, may I suggest writing in shorter, less complex sentences. Also, avoid allusions that mean something significant to you, but will be lost on much of your audience. For: Phisher man taketh the grain: Then, lesseth the grain to feed him with: The more he go Phish. recurance (repetition of an event)Want, eg. Food, Sex, Free Cable ie. Addiction to that which is sold to the masses is what provides both the masses and the seller a recurance of each ones wants. Rural is not what I am talking about: I am talking full on hippy mud swilling Ewok. ie 3rd world: The people we westerners use to prop our economy with Journaiistic integrity....in this case, I think I am the ewok right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgrmdave Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 How would you measure efficiency? Until you can produce a metric by which we can understand what "efficiency" means your rambling and directionless posts are just you shaking your fist at clouds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErlyRisa Posted December 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 How would you measure efficiency? Until you can produce a metric by which we can understand what "efficiency" means your rambling and directionless posts are just you shaking your fist at clouds. I am that ewok at this very writing:I live on a free range farm, couple chickens, solar panels, an internet connection. No house.I donot interact with the establishment.ie. I am producing info: but unlike the city folk I produce no carbon footprint. in other words... now that satelites have made it so that we can do our accounting via cloud based MYOB anywhere: What point is there left when I am ineffect saving the plaent faster than any other person around, simply by entertaining and occupying you guys, as i await for you to turn upto work to write another article: b/c your out of ideas. You should be paying me.How is that for metric? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgrmdave Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 How do you *measure* that? You say you produce no carbon footprint, but you've got solar panels, which means that someone designed them, built them, and shipped them out to you. You've got chickens, which means that either you're farming their food (expensive in terms of land use, water use, and time - and that's assuming you're using nothing for pesticides, herbicides, and fertilizer) or you're ordering their food from somewhere. You've also likely got other sources of food, which have the same issues. I'm not out of ideas, I'm asking you to quantify the problems and solutions before deciding what's best. Treatment without diagnosis is malpractice. JMJones0424 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErlyRisa Posted December 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) How do you *measure* that? You say you produce no carbon footprint, but you've got solar panels, which means that someone designed them, built them, and shipped them out to you. You've got chickens, which means that either you're farming their food (expensive in terms of land use, water use, and time - and that's assuming you're using nothing for pesticides, herbicides, and fertilizer) or you're ordering their food from somewhere. You've also likely got other sources of food, which have the same issues. I'm not out of ideas, I'm asking you to quantify the problems and solutions before deciding what's best. Treatment without diagnosis is malpractice. There are people/nations in the world the are living by thier means:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA3Hfsb_R9U They don't pull everything out of the planet for thier won purposes. (Toilet paper eg.)I don't use toilet paper or a shower: I wait for it to rain., and when it pours, I store that. Personally I couldn't give a toss about the modern ecology b/c to me an iPad is akin to a Clay tablet and a stick.If Needed to upload some needed information for the society that I was born into, then I have plenty of time, and can easily wait for my clay tablets to dry, and walk them into the nearest repository. ---. but we all know what's on the internet already: mostly porn: So why is it that I cannot convince a female that, somewhere has the lineage of being a human on this planet, to make some really out their porn with me: So that I can retire on a Carbon Fibre Stainless Steel nanotube yacht...and do my info mashup regurgtation and justification of my place on this hell hole like the rest of society? and Too top it all off: The Chicken Feed - I no longer trust the corporations that ar going to make it so that my own chickens can't reproduce b/c the feed is laced. Edited December 9, 2014 by ErlyRisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgrmdave Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 So, you've started out with a conclusion, you've provided no supporting evidence that isn't circular reasoning, and you expect to be taken seriously? JMJones0424 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErlyRisa Posted December 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 I don't want to see a Tianamen in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eclogite Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 I am that ewok at this very writing:How's the plan to bring down the Evil Empire going? Don't you find it ironic that your metaphorical hero is product of Hollywood, the epitome of the capitalist principles you seem to despise? You haven't really thought through your position carefully. I live on a free range farm, couple chickens, solar panels, an internet connection. No house.ie. I am producing info: but unlike the city folk I produce no carbon footprint.Judging by your contributions here you are producing meaningless data. That is quite different from information, a long way from knowledge and - in this case - seemingly disconnected from wisdom. pgrmdave has already pointed out that by having solar panels and using the internet you do have a carbon footprint. Do you wear clothes when it gets cold? I donot interact with the establishment.You are talking to me. I am ineffect saving the plaent faster than any other person around,Unsupported assertion. simply by entertaining and occupying you guys,Sadly, you are not entertaining me. I don't know about anyone else. I am just saddened that someone who does appreciate some of the difficulties our society faces is so screwed up in actually doing something about it. b/c your out of ideas.Curiously enough this turns out to be incorrect. My ideas are making a small (very small), but finite contribution to the wellbeing of humanity. You've just dropped out. We knew four decades ago that didn't work. Time for you to catch back up to reality. JMJones0424 and pgrmdave 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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