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and where might it be?? :eek:

i dont get it either,although there are many who do. Art (amoungst other descriptions)is any expression of an idea that reflects a phenomonon occuring in society, in the world of fashion, it seems to be a socio/ socio-economic statement as well as an expression of asthetics and fuctional design. The ancient Celts wore garments (and removed them for battle!) that displayed asthetic symbols of what they felt were marks of cultural identity.They also wore adornments that signified thier rank within the heirarchy of thier society.These identifying characteristics were utalised for the sake of others of the same ilk. Observers who didnt share a similar cultural identity would not have understood its true meaning as it was intended but, may have interprited these charachteristics using thier own code of cultural values and thus misunderstood the symbolism behind this behaviour. Today consumerism is viral like in its ability to invade and change the nature of naturally occuring social phenomemon...shame really.

what does the tell the commonwealth queen ref. mean?

how does removing veins that have become prominent or varicose alleviate the problem ? are the inefficient valves removed as well ? does the blood simply find an alternate route ? :friday: if anyone out there knows about this subject, and has the time to reply, both myself and my legs would be most thankfull.

I have a different opinion to you, do not accuse me of not paying attention because of it. I have done extensive research in the area of intellegence. i was this research that defined the different models if intellegence, the input of genetics and behavior for me. so thank you for the suggestion but i think i ll refrain from 'looking up' anything. finding a general consensus in a community does not discourage me to question. this is apathy. f/t... yes, i to believe that the intellect is innate, it is the developed and changed version that we speak of her, that is i recognise them as different things.

i do not believe i am confusing intellegence with training. what i am saying is that from an anthropological perspective, intellegence ( collective interpretation ) is not generally considered an innate trait, as its development and thus its application relies on surroundings and cultural environmental input to gain maximum efficiency. hunger is an instinctual response however the awareness that food is needed and has to be found and eaten is learned behavior, and it is the later that ensures survival, even if the former is the catalyst. perhaps we should agree to disagree :friday:

:friday: i thought your post was witty! i had a similar experience with guarana....only it was years ago... guarana plants are native to south america.i got it in a heath food store in Bondi, in powdered form. the wrapper suggested mixing in a drink, so i made aguarana flavoured milo and milk and whoooshka. i think if your body reacts like that perhaps avoid it, or at leist eat something before.

Yes, the ability to learn is considered a facet of intellegence, however this ability remains innert without the influence of experience and therefore in its initial state is a kind of proto-intellegence that exists but has little impact on our survival. Combined with external and environmental factors this ability developes and changes into reason, critical thinking, risk / danger awareness etc. As these factors facilitate the evolution of intellegence, its presence is not a genetic trait, unlike the reptillian brain, the stem and all the cortexes.

I was inclined to be of the opinion that intelligence aka intellect is innate and is developed and retarded by environmental factors i.e. learned behaviour. However,after lengthy and ugly research + consideration,i believe this ability that develops as one learns can not in essence be considered an innate quality, however developed or not??- as all the things that illustrate its existance are so variable in reality. This development is cultural and culturally defined. As different nationalities evolve within their specific environments they learn and adapt to that environment, making them seem different and ill adjusted in another environment and of course vice versa. I wonder if successful adjustment between cultures could be considered the 'more' intelligent (like the Neanderthals=them and the Cro-Magnons=us, which was defiantly a case of cro-Ms physiological superiority) or perhaps the more flexible of the two had less cultural input in their education. In today’s world cultural advantages promote certain nationalities. It would certainly be a mistake to confuse power with intelligence, and of course its earthly manifestations. -Intelligence can not be considered innate, as its development and thus its application relies on surroundings and cultural environment to gain maximum efficiency. Intelligence is strongly cultural and their ( its ) complexity means that that they do not ( it does not ) obey the laws of inheritance. ...a metaphysical and genetic law rolled into one. -'intellegence' is a classification that which ever specifications used to classify all have differing and hazy perimeters, that said haze is an zone that should not be ignored. Thus any ' quotient ' that we come up with using any one particular classification method will completely change using another valid classification technique. So why trust the product of the combination of two (so incredibly varying) variables that don’t (one so much more that the other for 'cultural' reasons) even have a reliable median. The whole intelligence concept had me miffed, I guess that as I assumed the question referred to a concept that is specific and I chose another word (intellect) to refer to in an earlier post. I then saw that (this) the intelligence that we are born with shares different associations and properties and is still referred to as the same thing...that is 'intelligence'. By its very nature, intelligence is something that becomes enigmatic once we try to understand, measure and define it. What we do see and believe intelligence to be has a whole lot more to it perhaps more than first assumed, like the submerged iceberg, and like the iceberg the nature of it changes once we see that there is so much more that we have not seen and can not examine (evolutionary and environmental input) Are we not, in evolutionary terms, the physiological product of adaptation to our environment. If intelligence were an innate quality, like the presence of the back bone in invertebrates or mammary glands in mammals or even two eyes. We would all, given the opportunity, excel in certain predefined areas and not in others..It would mean that we would all have the same responses - like the knee jerk - we would all be the same and very easy to classify. Intelligence can not be understood in such simple terms. As we have seen it relies on so many variables, we can liken it to the fact that some of us have green eyes and bad backs( although all of us have two and a backbone) So although intelligence is a much more complicated concept than the presence of a type of eye colour, its presence is determined by selection. I think we can safely say that it can not really be considered an innate quality, since it is always there but we dont understand why.

hey turtle, great that you did respond and explain. understanding is the way we master.

phew... i guess i am doin o.k!

Last time i was up there ,i took some mates from Germany. We had a fantastic few days...It really is an awe inspiring area of our little world. Will definatly investigate that area you mentioned..

With mt DNA ( mitochondrial DNA does not change during reproduction, only mutates every couple of thousand generations ) research and breakthroughs in the genome project, it is theoretically possible to see our evolutionary tree exactly as it is, without the interesting although sometimes misinterpreted lense of the fossil record....no more mystery!!!...

I got it..i can almost smell that beautiful dry heat...and thoes sunsets, thats a slice of real Australia. Best wishes for the new school year. ...let us know if you need any tim tams!

what is the range and what do they<higher and lower> indicate?

Classic....mmm and you reckon 600km west of Sydney is Outback! :D

hello all, gee this looks interesting...i am in far north queensland, australia.i travel alot ..around asia for work, although i do not work in science. my area is only study for the time being! glad to have stumbled onto this forum.