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Not at all. I"ve seen worse. it just my some intuitive faithfully thoughts are hardly understand by westerns. because they want to understnd the spiritual thing but hey use "wrog" minds called Rational minds who have conflicting faith with the minds who have faith ito spiritual thing (hidden life forms witnessed, opened by the poeer spiritual develped inside self) i dont see in that way. I use others opinion to test my owns and for getting new knowledge about truth. because your society are going to wrong directions. the path to own destructions. you have good hands with words :doh: but religion is everything about human. neglecting religion meas electing their own self guilt?who have guilt?yes,i have guilt if jews/christian is the righteous one, but its different stories if what i have briging here is righteousess one. but my words is still rough. i am fixing that, not in forced language, but pull and push method based on growing awareness with others :)

what do you want to say?

Wrong! Religion or Holy Book is suppose as Knowledge for Thinking,Acting,and Spirituality. It is SOLUTION for everything. All who seek other than it MUST BE LOST in wrong path. It is Core,Internal Factor about Awareness for human, is like atom`s Core in atom system, to neglect more it to destroy themself, like physcian who reject nuclear physicist

mine? of course by my own studying with knowledges through my life experiences. I am a moslem. I have fight with my country peoples in Kaskus - The Largest Indonesian Community they are pretty tough, but lately dont make me satisfied with what I am looking for. I am found myself I am frowing with knowledge, even it just a drop by drop with one single day. I want to discuss what I have got. but I am afraid western people will see me cannot understandable, because my languange is intuitive, not mechanical rational way of thinking. because that mechanic stuff will never reach "lighT' thinking dimension

Prophets represents hints from God, satan represents lost from god.If God wants,satans cannot do it. whenever prophets exist, so do satans. and,"come closer to God, if not anger of god could fall into you..."

from what you are saying... You dont know how serious those problem . I am sorry,you dont know a little what is prophet,what is devils.They have really Real Wars!. Try to get follower as much as they can,fight each other. I like humour too :hyper:. but we must know,which one humour,which one real serious problem. I am not hypocrit.You will see what I have said right,or wrong.:)

When we have entered Heaven,Meet God in Friday day to see God directly,and received "Ridho"-that God NEVER WILL ANGER TO YOU AGAIN... Before this,we must little laugh and much cries ...

as far I know,Muhamad said that someone who have seen Torturing in Hell,have to be little laugh and much cries... I dont see any humour in what you"re saying,because this is very serious matter,because Thats Real not in movie,anime,game,books,etc

There are difference between what happen in christianity and what happen in Islam :hyper: One thing for sure.Quran Forever-ly Never changed from prophet ages,this is different than christianity. Maybe you have heard about Uthman Mushaf,but the trueone is : the one who arrange its construction,is by prophet himself in Allah"s directly command .There are secret behind it,but we dont go to it,now. of course we receive traditional teching including Quran teaching. but,You must know : No one able to Teach Quran except Allah Godself,not even prophet... (QS :Ar Rahman :1-3) You also must know :Islam is holy book Quran and Quran is Islam.The intention to be moslem is make their Self into Quran Personalities. In other words,there are no philosophy in this way, philosophy is used in order to explain orther people who live in philosophy way. But the true one,religion and philosophy arent mixed each other. Quran is Last Holy Book opened for humans, descended by Allah. THERE ARE NO UPDATED,WHATEVER FROM ALLAH AGAIN.Islam is not christianity who make their own holy book...-Remembering everything has been made decision from beginning by Allah,very far before its real reality still not come/happen yet.

this is very serious matter. First,Quran say him is not angel. but genie who have angel power and present in among angels . He is Our Number one enemy. His objective is only one : destroy human!Adam,and all his childs. First,He doesnt place on ground his head for Adam like all angels. God is Anger and banished him. then this genie make promise with God that he wants to makle human lost from God way.he is called "iblis" iblis succeded make adam and eve out from Heaven.he succceed to broke adam and eve"s cloth! so why we must lost to him who succeed defeat adam once times and make us suffer in this earth.. after this,god sent adam to earth start new life.He said that adam and all childs have eternal wars each other vs iblis and his childs (satans). Whoever follow hints from God,will be placed into Heaven by God.If not,will be throw into hell!

that book is one of Good for your culture better understand it. for me,born in most people in my country are moslems,that book brings new knowledge. you must know,Parental education believes daily acting will form a child to better people. most Our people happy in normal life that dont really have attention in advancement Religion teaching. yes.those are 3 dimension Islam depends on each other. that three : spiritual=ihsan,minds=iman,acting=islam,is True developing Capability of human. in history,Society succeed develop 3 aspect simultaneously,is in prophet age. in Vision of Islam book ,3 aspects,are studied more deeper that brings answer for question : what is soul and body what is angel ? what is Truth ? What is Promised Land,Back to God in Forever Journey,etc :) I think that is better you read it firstly,slowly. because true knowledge needs times... even if is very tiny, that are very valuable to us and have measurement in God"s view.

sounds like freurbach for me...

Vision of Islam by Sachiko Murata.She is one of teacher in NY university.

No,In Islam.That is called tasybih = Liking. Everything is One,It means everything is Unity. Unity and Diversity.Tanzih and Tasybih. Two View unite one another. Budhis,Hindu,indeed like tasybih. One dimension closer to this is Spiritual Sufi. Of course,you hard to find this in rational people-most of it in moslems. Because Liking is danger in their view... we can ask anything in phiolosophy but not solved.who can we are able to answer question beyond our life??? Philosopy is very light that sometimes didnt touch empirics again on earth philosophy is Gate betweeen 2 worlds.Light and darkness, empirical and spiritual. correction. Religion is not just spiritual.But System Govern the world. In other world,Working on earth based on God knowledge as Chaliph, not seek light of fire called science. Religion have 3 dimension : Spiritual/ghaib,Minds,and Acting/Laws. so we must not see religion lightly, considering we have little knowledge about it...:)

yes,atheism is religion,other than theis religion. why? because Human cannot avoid God-ness. Even God in religion is not whom someone worship,then presence other God than God in religion like communist, or small gods like democration,advancement,capitalsit God/money,etc