I can see where you're going here, But I disagree that race has anything to do with it. Culture *is* a big problem in a lot of cases, but race has very little to do with it. It's too bad Boerson isn't a frequenter of the forums anymore; he'd be able to regale you with examples of how the culture shock of "handed magic technology" in his native Africa caused civil unrest, and within 10 years of the tech being "taken from the evil foreigners" complete lack of maintenance reduced a thriving agriculture and well system back to the dust it came from.
You disagree that race has anything to do with it? That's twice now in two posts you've tried to pull the same trick. First with this:
I wonder what the people in 1700's and 1800's USA had as an equivalent? Did THEY bootstrap the infrastructure? Did they dig wells and hand-pump their fields every morning?
Why don't you think other people are capable of the same? You shouldn't view others as "lesser" like you seem to be, they are just as capable of innovation and hard work.
Implying that they are able but unwilling to improve their living conditions. You're comparing two groups of people with entirely different starting conditions, one much more favourable than the other. And your response to me calling you on it is to claim that you don't think race has anything to do with it, as if I do? Do you seriously expect these kinds of cheap tricks to work on anyone?
A LOT of the issues are purely cultural; there are ways of life that WORK with higher technology and ways of life that do not work. A very large chunk of "uplift" attempts are stymied by moral quandaries revolving around superstition and cultural practices. Even the western world has sub-cultures like Mennonites or other cults that view technology as "evil" and so fall back to low-tech living. Prime examples include anti-vaccination, anti-oil/gas, and anti-GMO.
Africa is a very big place. I'm sure there are some remote places where a mobile phone could cause culture shock, as sure as I am that this in no way applies to the VAST majority of Africa. The problem isn't cultural generally, it's situational.
This is however diverting quite farm from thread topic is it not? I'm sure there's other threads existing on this, and if not you can feel free to start one with choice quotes. To try and bring it back to topic: The Socialist Policies that the left puts forward seek to remove the discomfort of under-achieving. I think that risks cheapening the rewards of achievement that have allowed western culture such rapid advancement.
Unfortunately the rewards of achievement are only available to those in (usually born into) privileged positions and most token socialist policies do very little to even the playing field.
That's fairly accurate on the history, but wrong on the result. I care deeply about what I think is right; that's why I'm not left-leaning politically any more. Taxes are way to high, the government mismanages the money from those taxes constantly. Government employees are either overpaid and useless, or severely understaffed and useless. Political power as become nepotic. It's an irony that someone pointed out Canada's "still technicaly here" monarchy (there's reasons they are called "crown lands" and "crown corporations")...
It's called Enlightened Self Interest. It would benifit me AND others to fix the problems that leaning way too far left has put into Canada.
It's called letting the disadvantaged (often through no fault of their own) suffer so as not to inconvenience the privileged, as if those already at an advantage are entitled to favourable treatment over those that aren't.
You may care deeply about you think is right but what you thought was right was something very different when the opposite political stance favoured you personally wasn't it? Do you think maybe you care deeply about what's right for you and benefits you the most in your current situation?
You REALLY have never been up here have you? Like to either the USA or Canada.
I've been to one of the United States twice in my youth, never Canadia.
Like to either the USA or Canada. I'd liken it to escaping Greece and horrific Debt:GDP I have no control over. It would be trading a Porche I don't want to spend 40% of my future income on for a Chevy I can buy in cash and own outright.
Okay that's actually a very nice answer.
Edited by A-wal, 24 July 2020 - 04:00 PM.