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#1 simroh1

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Posted 24 June 2015 - 06:11 AM

First of all, let it be known that it is scientifically accepted that vaccination does not, nor has been linked to, any harmful side effects such as autism or mercury poisoning.

I found the anti vaccination movement, intesting. How did so many people manage to let themselves be misinformed? The focus of this thread is to discuss the effects that the individual (such as cognitive bias), groups and leading personnel (such as the Australian vaccination skeptics network) and the media & respected figures (such as the now discredited Mr Wakefield) had on spreading this hoax. This thread can be applied to other such hoaxs such as spontaneous combustion, which I have seen tthroughout the forums recently.

#2 Racoon

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Posted 16 September 2015 - 09:45 PM

How can you be sure 100% of vaccines are exactly what they state to be??

That there are No mis-manufacturing?

You can't

Like you can't gaurantee all spinach you eat is not going to ever contain deadly or sickening e-coli bacteria...

 

You just trust the nurse to grab a spike and a vial from somewhere and inject it into you  and hope its something helpful.  You don't know where it came from, how long it was in storage, or how it was made...

The end consumer doesn't have a F'ing clue where their vial of solution came from before it gets jammed into their bloodstream.. Its a 100% faith in the legitimacy and professionalism of the administering persons.

You just take it

 

Theres a ton of **** found in vaccines, including toxic mercury which when shot directly into your bloodstream affects a 6 month old baby's brain alot more than a full grown adult. 

Adjuvants and more.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjuvant

 

That said, I was bit by a dog last summer, got a small infection, puss, went to the ER... I agreed to get my 10-year tetnus shot renewed.

But I do not get my Flu-shots annualy like they promote so wildly that are at best ineffective, and at worst unnecessary agents mainlined into the blood..


Edited by Racoon, 16 September 2015 - 09:52 PM.


#3 Buffy

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Posted 16 September 2015 - 11:06 PM

Well if everyone were as paranoid as you Racc, I guess we'd really have a problem, because while you're right, there are some people who have bad reactions to immunizations--which is precisely why some people ARE allowed to skip them--their ONLY hope is Herd Immunity, without which they're very likely to contract these diseases and die.

 

You Racc, are PERSONALLY responsible for the measles outbreak last year, because you promote this rabid paranoid fantasy of doom. You care not one whit about the rest of humanity, only the possibliity that some harm might possibly come to you. Your refusal to take a flu shot reduces our society's herd immunity because you help spread the flu when you do get it.

 

Now at the same time if you go off into the forest and stay away from the rest of us I have no problem with you contributing your entry into the Darwin awards, but if you hang around others, you are being a selfish, anti-social twit.

 

But realize that this is just like terrorism: if you not only do not realize that you are on the front lines of the war against terror, but are further unwilling to possibly sacrifice your own well being for the good of the rest of society, you have no right to demand any of it's benefits.

 

If you prefer fact-free rantings of the anti-vaxxers to science, you have no business being around here, and I don't know why you'd want to, other than it fits in with being an anti-social troll. If you actually want to try to debate the *science* around this, you're welcome to try, but the content-free hand-waving displayed in that last post is NOT adequate. The conventional wisdom around this IS ACCEPTED FACT, and if you want to debate it you have a giant hill to climb to rationally refute it. So good luck.

 

 

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#4 Racoon

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 10:44 PM

Haha Buffy.

 

Blame Obama for shipping in thousands of 3rd worlders from No-vaxx countries who brought in new cases of whooping cough, measels, pox, and the like for the recent outbreaks...

 

Now current Immigaration policy means we Need to Re-Vaccinate kids from things that were no longer a threat!! Because we have to for some reason take care of all these people who jumped the border from their shithole country.

 

You cannot have you cake and eat it to



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Posted 22 September 2015 - 11:42 AM

:rolleyes: Xenophobia @ Wiki



Xenophobia is the dislike of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange.[1][2] Xenophobia can manifest itself in many ways involving the relations and perceptions of an ingroup towards an outgroup, including a fear of losing identity, suspicion of its activities, aggression, and desire to eliminate its presence to secure a presumed purity.[3] Xenophobia can also be exhibited in the form of an "uncritical exaltation of another culture" in which a culture is ascribed "an unreal, stereotyped and exotic quality".[3]


Mexico more effective than U.S. at immunizing children

Mexico more effective than U.S. at immunizing children
Mexico's paternalistic approach has led to a 96% vaccination rate for children ages 1 to 4, compared with 79% of American 2-year-olds.
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Mexico's immunization success is something Americans - particularly Texans - can cheer. Epidemics of preventable disease used to go back and forth between the two countries. That no longer happens, thanks mostly to the remarkable but unheralded improvements in Mexico and other countries in the region.

"One of the main reasons there is no longer measles in the United States is because we no longer have measles in Latin America and the Caribbean," said Dr. Ciro de Quadros, the recently retired director of immunizations for the Pan American Health Organization. Mexico, he said, has done a "remarkable" job of vaccinating its children in the past decade.
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Posted 22 September 2015 - 03:01 PM

 

Blame Obama for shipping in thousands of 3rd worlders from No-vaxx countries who brought in new cases of whooping cough, measels, pox, and the like for the recent outbreaks...

 

Say what? "Shipping in?" Nope.

 

According to the World Bank (that hippy liberal Bilderberger organization...NOT!) net immigration to the United States is over a half a million people LESS under Obama as it was under Bush II. Deportations are WAY up:

 

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That's really good dope you're getting from the World Net Daily there Racc!

 

 

Now current Immigaration policy means we Need to Re-Vaccinate kids from things that were no longer a threat!! Because we have to for some reason take care of all these people who jumped the border from their shithole country.

 

As with most whacked out conspiracy theories, this one has a kernel of truth at it's center that's completely innocuous. Yes the Centers for Disease Control updates their recommended vaccination schedules EVERY YEAR with minor modifications in it.. But that's it: minor modifications. There have been no newly reintroduced immunizations due to "increased shithole country immigration."

 

As Turtle pointed out, Mexican immunization is in someways better than our own, and 3rd world immunizations get a huge boost not only from your tax dollars but from radical left wingers like Bill Gates.  (ooooh betcha you're gonna start in about Bill's "conspiracy to depopulate the world though contraceptives" popular over on InfoWars...).

 

The scientific reason for that is because if you're going to make sure the maximum number of people are protected YOU TRY TO VACCINATE EVERYONE. Even the undeserving colored people.

 

You cannot have you cake and eat it to

 

Neither can you Racc, neither can you.

 

 

 

"Who owns the patent on this vaccine?" "Well, the people, I would say. There is no patent. Could you patent the sun?" :phones:
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Posted 27 September 2015 - 10:24 PM

How can you be sure 100% of vaccines are exactly what they state to be??

 

Due to about 220 years of results.

 

That there are No mis-manufacturing?  You can't.  Like you can't gaurantee all spinach you eat is not going to ever contain deadly or sickening e-coli bacteria...

 

 

Right.  Fortunately, no one claims that vaccines (or spinach) is 100% safe.  Everything has risks.  

Theres a ton of **** found in vaccines,

 

Heck yes!  You will even find attenuated deadly diseases in vaccines!  In fact, that's how they work.

 

 

including toxic mercury which when shot directly into your bloodstream affects a 6 month old baby's brain alot more than a full grown adult. 

 

 

 

1) Thimerosal (mercury based vaccine preservative) is not toxic to humans in the amounts present in vaccines.

2) Six month old babies do not receive vaccines that contain thimerosal.

3) Unless you get a flu shot from a multi-dose vaccine vial (which is unusual) you won't be exposed to thimerosal either.

 



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Posted 28 September 2015 - 04:10 PM

Fortunately, no one claims that vaccines (or spinach) is 100% safe.  Everything has risks.


Leafy greens are far, far more dangerous than vaccines. But people are more concerned about things that they clearly don't understand than they are about things that they think they do understand (but really don't). http://www.cbsnews.c...food-poisoning/