Roswell... Two Crashes?

[Aethelwulf]

A former UFO debunker, Air Force Lt. Col. Richard French, has gone public with a story that the US government knows there are extraterrestrials and has been covering it up since the notorious Roswell crash. In fact, French claims that the Roswell incident actually involved two UFO crashes.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/03/roswell-ufo-crash_n_1715663.html#slide=283375

 

http://io9.com/5932574/witness-claims-there-were-actually-two-ufo-crashes-at-roswell-in-1947

 

 

He might actually be talking the truth:

 

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2013/march/ufos-and-the-guy-hottel-memo

 

 

The memo from the FBI vaults does state that there was a crash in the New Mexico region (this may have been close to Roswell). But certainly the memo adds evidence to the Col. statement that more than one had in fact crashed. The memo states there where three crashes... At least two of them the Col. is aware of.

 

I said two crashes, I mean two Roswell Crashes, the third may not have happened in Roswell... Roswell incident happened in 1947, the memo is in fact dated at 1950. There is no mention of Roswell in the memo, but this doesn't discredit that all three may have crashed in the same region.

 

Some say the Aztec Hoax is what the memo talks about, but the details are different. In the aztec ''hoax'' (if it is indeed even a hoax), involved one ship rather than three, involving 16 bodies. The details are small but big enough to conclude the memo was written from a different informant.

Edited July 3, 2013 by CraigD

[CraigD]

Before responding to your post, Aethelwulf, some guidance about the Strange Claims forum:

 

As its description states “This is the place where we put topics that are outside the bounds of standard science: they usually contain interesting but unsupported viewpoints”. The implication to be drawn from “we put” is that threads are moved by moderators from other forums to this one because they don’t follow our site rules about backing up claims. While starting a thread in the SC forum is allowed, it’s weird, because it’s essentially an admission by the poster that they are making unsupported claims, which we all agreed not as a condition to our posting privileges at hypography.

 

Posting in the SC forum doesn’t grant an exception to the “back up your claims” rule – members can be warned, suspended, or banned for making unsupported claims in any forum.

 

A former UFO debunker, Air Force Lt. Col. Richard French, has gone public with a story that the US government knows there are extraterrestrials and has been covering it up since the notorious Roswell crash. In fact, French claims that the Roswell incident actually involved two UFO crashes.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/03/roswell-ufo-crash_n_1715663.html#slide=283375

 

http://io9.com/5932574/witness-claims-there-were-actually-two-ufo-crashes-at-roswell-in-1947

 

 

He might actually be talking the truth:

 

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2013/march/ufos-and-the-guy-hottel-memo

 

 

The memo from the FBI vaults does state that there was a crash in the New Mexico region (this may have been close to Roswell). But certainly the memo adds evidence to the Col. statement that more than one had in fact crashed. The memo states there where three crashes... At least two of them the Col. is aware of.

The FBI memo cited here does not state that there was a crash of anything anywhere. It states that a statement was taken from a person (who’s name, along with the name of the FBI agent who reported his statement, and conveyed it to FBI field office head Guy Hottel, who sent the memo to FBI director J. Edgar Hoover, is redacted – blacked out) described as “an Air Force investigator” and “informant” that three so-called flying saucers, each about 50 feet in diameter, had been recovered, each once containing 3 bodies about 3 feet tall, dressed in metallic cloth of a very fine texture, similar to suites worn speed flyers and test pilots, and that no further investigation was attempted by the FBI. Quoting the linked FBI article:

Finally, the Hottel memo does not prove the existence of UFOs; it is simply a second- or third-hand claim that we never investigated.

I don’t believe a credible investigator would consider this memo as adding evidence to similar claims, as it is just a record of such a claim.

 

Some say the Aztec Hoax is what the memo talks about, but the details are different. In the aztec ''hoax'' (if it is indeed even a hoax), involved one ship rather than three, involving 16 bodies.

From what I read in this Skeptic’s Dictionary entry, this wikipedia article, and this Reality Uncovered article (this one has the most complete account), the Aztec, New Mexico UFO hoax is called a hoax not because it’s alleged that people fakes a UFO crash, but because two men, Silas M. Newton and Leo A. Gebauer, conned magazine journalist Frank Scully into writing the 1950 book Behind the Flying Saucers about it, and conned several people into giving them money for oil-finding devices they claimed to have built using alien technology recovered from the crash, for which they were in 1954 convicted of criminal fraud.

 

I think it’s fairly certain and uncontroversial that Newton and Gebauer’s claims of having alien technology were pure fabrications. The interesting question here is whether they got the idea for their scam from stories specifically about the 1947 Roswell incident, or from the more general kind of folk stories in circulation at the time. Their story had elements in common with various Roswell incident accounts, such as small samples of unmeltable metal (Newton’s scam involved showing people small disks he claimed were such metal – the Reality Uncovered article describes how a skeptical business associate of tricked Newton out of one of these, discovering that it was ordinary aluminum).

[Aethelwulf]

 

 

 

The FBI memo cited here does not state that there was a crash of anything anywhere.

 

 

The language used was ''recovered.'' It has been circulating for a number of years now, there are agencies in the government which are assigned to the ''recovery of crashed UFO's.''