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Well, that was the whole point - to figure out if this possiby could have a scientific claim or not, IS it or is it not, could it be a scientific theory? If it upsets you so much though, i have absolutely no problem with it being moved, in the grand scheme of things there are bigger things to worry about than OMG some newb posted something....IN THE WRONG THREAD! and how DARE she! Don't worry, i'll be sure to chastise myself over this one tonight, bless me father for i have sinned! :) Anycrap, paigetheoracle, thank you! for your input, i was thinking on a cellular level, vibrations could cause minute disruption of the cell structure, posibly enough to cause the body to recognise this as "wow, somethings going on here" and in turn maybe throw a few prostaglandins their way - maybe even initiate an extremely minor innate immune response??? i mean - check this one out: ww^w.osteopenia3.com/Body-vibration-Osteoporosis.html]Body-vibration Osteoporosis, Ostepenia (sorry about the ^, i cant post links yet) there actually seems to be a LOT of these "alternatives" to drug therapy in the treatment of osteopenia and osteoporosis, as well as othe rmusculoskeletal disorders, althoug the mechanisms arent completely known yet, there seems to be some promising work being done here.

LoL cheers alex, i seem to spend more time around bacteria and mice these days than actualy human being anyway :) about the rotating to wind tower thing, i havent really been outside since i moved in Edinburgh except to teleport via uni - to work - to lab - to uni - to work - to lab - to uni.....you get the picture?;)

i came across this while looking for an alternative treatment for osteoporosis, one which didn't involve alendronate, caltrate and hormone therapy, i came across this, my initial reacion is that it is a load of bollocks but i thought i would ask others opnions!

Wow. i found this a very intersting thread, although most of the input i would have contributed (as in free radicals, senile plaques, neurofibrillary tangles...) seems to have been discussed. This also brought back to my memory - i used to work in a private nursing home, and i remember this one resident: quick synopsis' 83 y/o female, established osteoporosis confined to wheelchair, LVF and very frail. Anyway, the first day i was there, the attention bell went off in her room, as i opened her door, i found a little old lady sitting there with a laptop ;) thinking i was hallucinating...anyway, it turned out the "problem" was - she had accidently pulled the internet cable out the back of her computer and couldnt reach it! i asked her what she was doing - and she replied she was making her own website and downloading "all the songs from when she was a wee one" then started bitching about her domain name being pointed to the wrong server :) in shock, i spoke to her for a while, found out she moderated a forum for "oldies new to the net" which she says - was mostly people aged about 55-70 with a few older and younger, she had only had her laptop for 2 years! after her grandson showed her how to type a letter in word she began playing about with it and literally taught herself. so, case study above, this might be a rare case indeed but it does go to show that yes, some old people ARE capable of rational thought. im sure there are exceptions for examle - elderly with alzheimers and/or dementia or just those with general forgetfullness, but i think it has a lot to do with whether they stimulate their brains on a regular basis or not. i think a lot goes for the saying "if you dont use it you lose it":D

Pink floyd rule ;) the polymerase chain reaction song! ht*tp://bio-rad.cnpg.com/lsca/videos/ScientistsForBetterPCR :):hyper::lol::lol: Lyrics - you gotta listen now :P but you'll need to remove star (sorry) There was a time when to amplify DNA, You had to grow tons and tons of tiny cells. Then along came a guy named Dr. Kary Mullis, Said you can amplify in vitro just as well. Just mix your template with a buffer and some primers, Nucleotides and polymerases, too. Denaturing, annealing, and extending. Well it’s amazing what heating and cooling and heating will do. PCR, when you need to detect mutations. PCR, when you need to recombine. PCR, when you need to find out who the daddy is. PCR, when you need to solve a crime.

Funnily enough i was listening to Mudvayne and got that phrase "we are an ape with a symbiotic relationship to a mushroom" and i had been thinking about it and arguing with myself over it for a couple of days, then decided to google it in inverted commas, wound up here, read around a bit due to general nosiness then decided to join!

This is quite random, anyway there is something being bugging me. The whole point in the inflammatory response is to result in the healling of the site of injury right? And all the processes involved initiate a load of other processes too, which in turn activate more processes and cascades and well and...well, the whole matrix of "the inflammatory response" What gets to me is - WHY do medical practitioners like to prescribe people high doses of anti-inflammatories, when they have other injuries? For example, my grandmothers friend suffers from leg ulcers and arthritis. Her doctor treats her arthritis with co-dydramol and Diclofenac. Diclofenac interferes with pathways that lead to the availability of leukotrienes and prostaglandins. This is pretty scary, especially when you think about all the pro-inflammatory response things that prostaglandins do...... This particular old biddie also has this topical ointment that she seems to be addicted to - voltarol gel. Now, that contains Diclofenac also. So she is getting the maximum oral dose, along with half the tube of diclofenac absorbed into her skin every day, its no wonder her leg ulcers won't heal, at least thats what i'm thinking. Obviously she needs a painkiller for her arthritis, but why not prescribe co-codamol and eliminate the diclofenac? maybe adding (temporarily) codeine phosphate, she will be stoned out her box for a while as her legs heal, possibly, but as a short term measure?? i also read a few times about the reduction in formation of leukotrienes - now aren't these important chemotactins for neutrophils? lower level of these, lower number of attracted neutrophils, lower healing time. i just can't seem to find any articles or proper solid information on this apart from the usual "stomach ulcers prostaglandins NSAIDS link", i find it pretty scary that these NSAID's are so readily available to people who could be taking them for a number of reasons not expecting, e.g, the pills that keep the pain from the abcess away are also interfering with its healing process! Shouldn't these things come with some kind of warning on them!? Maybe i'm just reading waay too much into this. thing is - i know inflammation is not "the healing process" in itself but it does work with other methods to promote healing, if you look at the very end process it involves removal of the pathogen and restoration of the damaged tissue to its normal homeostasis, they are not two completely separate processes, all the involved steps interlink. What i am basically saying is yes, the NSAID's reduce inflammation because of their inhibition of prostaglandins, (which makes me wonder what happens to the NON-cleaved arachidonic acid? Hmm, more leukotrienes possibly?? i'll leave that for another day) but remembering that prostaglandins have effects on almost every step in the inflammatory response, i mean they are involved with vasodilation, platelet aggregation, cell growth (repairing mechanism, no?), smooth muscle cell constriction and/or dilation depending on type i think.... they reduce the concentrations of the chemicals involved therefore consequently defeat the entire purpose and effect of the inflammatory response - which would (possibly, maybe) result in a reduced ability to fight infectious agents and remove pathogens. i could be talking utter garbage here, it was just a random thought.

I never know what to put in these things. What sort of things do i want to say? What do i want the response to be? I don't know what to write about me that doesn't come across as me attempting to attract people and entice them into my projectile obliteration of probable crap :) so....enough digressing, intro: i'm pretty much summed up by the following: ICU nurse, 3rd year immunology % toxicology student,a little nerdy, information whore, cynical, sarcastic, illogical, easily confused, overanalysing, im turned on by: bacteria, biochemistry, climbing trees, clouds, coffee, cooking, DNA, soldering, electronic gadgets, guitar hero, immunology, my laptop, playing with PHPBB and MySQL, night-time and long nights, old things, orange tic-tacs, pepsi max, photos, psychopathology, rain, reading, recipes, science, solving equations, toxicology, urbandictionary, walking, swimming, winter.... So if anyone actually wants to know anything else just ask :)